Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

However, X is failing to respect any opinion that differs from his own. And when he started bringing race back into it, we were already way off that.[/quote]

Uh, the entire thread is about race relations.

Also, I wasn’t the one who wrote that another viewpoint was IDIOTIC.

I already knew most of you would react like this…which is why is makes you look that much less “intellectual” when your reaction illustrates the point exactly.

If it is “IDIOTIC” to not call the cops, why would you state I am the one who refuses to see any other view point?

You are just here to attack me personally if you don’t also attack Ryan for the same.

Gee, so transparent.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
If we are talking about the 5 guys in the driveway hypothetical… There is so much that is going to go through my mind before I’m even noticing skin color or clothing.

Where are my wife and kids?
Concerning the loud talking: do they appear to have been drinking?
How old do they appear?
Do they seem relaxed or tense? IE: joking around with each other laughing, or are they stoic and looking around?
Is their car in my driveway? Or are they otherwise blocking my way/path/home?

I mean… It is a tough hypothetical to really talk about, and I think that has contributed to the back-and-forth. [/quote]

Yes, so why does X have to constantly make it a race thing when their are so many other variables and the guy who originally brought up the situation said nothing of race?[/quote]

To be fair, looking at it from a perspective of race is fair in this thread. At least at this point in this thread.

We were up until this talking about the racial and social aspects of the Zimmerman ruling.

I see where he is coming from for sure.

All I know is, unless I see a broken window or they are fighting themselves, the only likely scenario I am calling the cops is if they are between me and my family, and my wife or son aren’t answering the phone. I would imagine I’m unlikely to engage 5 dudes that aren’t obviously out having a good time and joking around either though. Call me a pussy or whatever, but unless my family is on the other side of those guys, I’d rather wait them out.

I’m not in my house and nothing in my house is worth the worst case scenario. I have kids and a career. I’ll probably just hang out and wait to see what they do from a safe distance. Camera phone getting the best pictures of dudes I can. [/quote]

Great post.

It seems that some here can understand what I am writing without the personal attacks and nonsense.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
It was discussed X. I wrote a reply that you didn’t read detailing exactly why there exists the possibility that a cop would make them less pissed than walking up yourself. Ryan’s right. [/quote]

Then I apologize as I am clearly wrong…but that still doesn’t explain why he would see that as IDIOTIC like he wrote.

Can YOU maybe explain that?[/quote]

No worries. Messy thread. The way I read it, ryan was responding to the assertion that a lone unarmed person should walk up to a group of 5 men (not loitering–on your personal property, directly by your front porch, and parked on your own driveway blocking your car, and the race is unimportant) in a low-light situation to initiate contact as idiotic. I’m not sure what more I could say, it seems self evident to me and I responded earlier on the reasons why. It breaks every rule of tactical engagement, several rules of group behavior, and most all rules of situational awareness to voluntarily place yourself in an outnumbered situation because it is “your property”. It also goes against several tenets of the psychology of violence. The fact that you don’t know if they are violently prone, drunk or not is irrelevant at this stage.

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So anyway…back on topic. I’m glad DN finally started to mix up her insults for GZ because I was getting really annoyed reading “zimcunt” 1000 times with no variation.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
It was discussed X. I wrote a reply that you didn’t read detailing exactly why there exists the possibility that a cop would make them less pissed than walking up yourself. Ryan’s right. [/quote]

Then I apologize as I am clearly wrong…but that still doesn’t explain why he would see that as IDIOTIC like he wrote.

Can YOU maybe explain that?[/quote]

No worries. Messy thread. The way I read it, ryan was responding to the assertion that a lone unarmed person should walk up to a group of 5 men (not loitering–on your personal property, directly by your front porch, and parked on your own driveway blocking your car, and the race is unimportant) in a low-light situation to initiate contact as idiotic. I’m not sure what more I could say, it seems self evident to me and I responded earlier on the reasons why. It breaks every rule of tactical engagement, several rules of group behavior, and most all rules of situational awareness to voluntarily place yourself in an outnumbered situation because it is “your property”. It also goes against several tenets of the psychology of violence. The fact that you don’t know if they are violently prone, drunk or not is irrelevant at this stage.
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Thank you for pointing out you already had talked about this.

X thanks for just refusing to believe me because you dislike me as always

Moving on. Is there really more that can be discussed that is actually on topic. I feel everything has been covered over and over again.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
My point in my approach was to show how literally one sided “majority opinion” seems to be.

Majority opinion concludes that:
-Cops equal safety
-clothing styles equal thug

Minority opinion could alternately conclude that:
-Cops equal lack of safety and/or loss of life
-sagging doesn’t equal THUG at all

Funny how one side sees the other as “IDIOTIC”…but can’t see the institutional racism at all.
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Fucking preach, Brotha. Fucking preach!

Here is most of them’s train of thoughts:

  1. Young black males are never the victim.

  2. Whites do not start conflict because black people are dangerous criminals who cause trouble.

  3. Black people always whine about racism when it isn’t an issue any more – it’s 2013, the president is fucking black! Lol, speaking of the president, he’s a puppet, a pawn, with not enough power to draft certain bills because the right wingers party blocks him. If that ain’t racism, I don’t know what the fuck that is.

And it is interesting how they are trying their best to shut you down and call you an idiot because your opinion doesn’t coincide with theirs. What the fuck do they know about being black and being profiled? Those people are blind or in denial about institutional racism. But don’t you dare bringing that up. You have to shut your mouth because racism doesn’t exist.

You see how they quickly change when you bring up some truth up? They’d rather have blacks lay down and stop pulling the so called race card, so that can make them more comfortable.

As far as everyday life in America, white supremacy is ingrained in the systems/institutions that shape that society. What some white people do, feel, think, and say directly effects black people. Cases in point, Trayvon Martin and, the 5 guys in the driveway.

But don’t you dare telling them that. There is NO racism. The world is colorrrrrrblind.

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" there is nothing more painful to me at this stage of my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start to think about robbery…and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved "

Rev Jesse Jackson

…for real tho …

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Simple, because he was responsible and refrained himself from using it until he actually did need help. There has been no proof that this was not the case.
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Oh, is that what Zims explained to you? He actually needed help? You scream for help when your gun is already cocked and ready to be used? Lol. Funny shit.

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
You should probably do a little more research as you are getting simple facts such as the order of events mixed up, scream for help first then shot came later, they did not occur at the same time, simple concept here.
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Oh I guess you witnessed what happened, did you? You were right there at the scene of the ‘‘fight’’. Zim screamed for help then shot Trayvon dead. There was no way that it was Trayvon screaming for his life until he got silenced by a bullet in the heart.

I tell what I believe; I believe Zim got that gun out and when trayvon saw it, he was the one fearing for his life and, screamed for help. But hey, I wasn’t there anyway. You weren’t there either. What do I know, anyway. Anything FatBitch has stated with regards to what happened the night he killed Trayvon Martin is the absolute truth.

[quote]suffiandy wrote:
So the aggressor ™ did not show signs of a struggle? You are correct here since GZ was the only one that showed signs of a struggle
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Once again, how do you know Martin was the ‘‘aggressor’’? Because Zimfuck said so? His injuries were not even closed to those of that guy in NYC, who got his skull cracked from landing on the concrete after being knocked out cold by a black man he called N****.

I mean, shit, had that motherfucker of Zim got his head repeatedly bashed on the concrete, wouldn’t he have ended up with a cracked skull and, blood on the pavement? According to Zims, Trayvon, the ‘‘aggressor’’ jumped him, punched him on the nose, repeatedly bashed his head on the concrete and suffocated zimfuck with his hands, telling him to shut up.

How could the motherfucker scream when he was being suffocated?? How come the DNA from the aggressor disappeared,and no traces were found on Zimfat? Where the fuck has that DNA’s gone?

Damn, I mean that fat bitch really feared for his life and screamed for help during such a terrifying moment. And yet… no blood, no DNA no oedema, nor bruises were found anywhere on his ‘‘aggressor.’’ That shook him was a bullet in the heart.

Fucking Magic.

But hey, Zim’s?s account is the absolute truth after all.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
I am glad to see that to a large portion of americans feelings make compelling evidence…

bring on the witch hunts![/quote]

Unfortunately some people’s grasp of how the legal system works is just that bad.

Please god, never let DN serve on a jury, under any circumstance. [/quote]

Lol - I wouldn’t worry about it.

This bitch is a loony toon - no attorney worth his salt would fail to see that. This crackpot is a foaming at the mouth psychopath. Will never serve on a jury unless the questioning attorney is blind, deaf and dumb! [/quote]

When some fat cunts crawl out of the woodwork, foaming at the mouth, to rant about me, it makes me so fucking proud. I know I’m definitely doing something right.

Hell fucking yeah.

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[quote]Stiglitz wrote:
" there is nothing more painful to me at this stage of my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start to think about robbery…and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved "

Rev Jesse Jackson

…for real tho …[/quote]

You left out “… How humiliating.”. However, I bet it’s the fault of the white man in some way.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
speaking of the president, he’s a puppet, a pawn, with not enough power to draft certain bills because the right wingers party blocks him. If that ain’t racism, I don’t know what the fuck that is.

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hahahahahahahahhaa

solar eclipse? it’s because of RACISM!!!

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[quote]b89 wrote:

[quote]Stiglitz wrote:
" there is nothing more painful to me at this stage of my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start to think about robbery…and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved "

Rev Jesse Jackson

…for real tho …[/quote]

You left out “… How humiliating.”. However, I bet it’s the fault of the white man in some way.[/quote]

Oops, sorry …

I guess the good reverend, paragon of racial equality and justice, isn’t above a little racial profiling himself … But everyone else has to be

Won’t even go into “Hymietown”

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

Is it that hard to figure out?

It doesn’t matter what neighborhood watchman rules there are. His actions are governed by state law, by which he was exonerated. [/quote]

Oh, now the rules don’t matter? So are you saying that by letting Zimcunt walk scot free, the state law from now, allows other watchmen to take action against criminal activities that are taking place in their community without the help of the police? Watchmen are vigilantes now, uh? So because the 6 cunts let that fat fuck go, he was right to pull a gun on Trayvon Martin, because his power as a watchman superseded the police’s.

Oh, okay.

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
Arguing logically with DN is like sticking your dick in a plug, it’s shocking, painful and it’s not going to get you anywhere[/quote]

Oh, it’s you…

I’m glad you’re still lying here, with your mouth open, so I can shit in it.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
Arguing logically with DN is like sticking your dick in a plug, it’s shocking, painful and it’s not going to get you anywhere[/quote]

I know, I’m supposed to take seriously the opinions of a person who challenges me to link to Neighborhood Watchman Law statute.

Good grief. [/quote]

Well next time, don’t barge in conversation the person you don’t take seriously is having with someone. That makes you a fucking idiot.

You want to play intelligent games? Go hang with your ilk, you know? The serious people. You won’t run the risk to lose a few brain cells.

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One of the best videos I have seen on this topic

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I apologize for my long-windedness, I do not do it because “I like to hear myself speak.” I do it because people nitpick apart everything you say if they disagree with you, and instead of focusing on the main point of your post, they find details to pick apart because they don’t want to address the real post.

If I didn’t have to defensively address everything I say to avoid the above, my posts would be shorter.

Thread is fizzled because it was a bunch of crap anyways. Ninja and a couple others are the only ones riding the “racist” train. End of discussion.

Edit: X, I addressed your post(s), and seriously. Perhaps they were too long-winded for you to bother reading them.

And hebrewhero, what did White people do to you that you think everyone who disagrees with you is racist? Serious question.

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[quote]Stiglitz wrote:

[quote]b89 wrote:

[quote]Stiglitz wrote:
" there is nothing more painful to me at this stage of my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start to think about robbery…and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved "

Rev Jesse Jackson

…for real tho …[/quote]

You left out “… How humiliating.”. However, I bet it’s the fault of the white man in some way.[/quote]

Oops, sorry …

I guess the good reverend, paragon of racial equality and justice, isn’t above a little racial profiling himself … But everyone else has to be

Won’t even go into “Hymietown” [/quote]

I wasn’t really trying to correct you, only pointing out that he feels it’s humiliating to find comfort in being followed by whites. You’ve to wonder exactly what his perception of whites is for him to feel humiliated.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

And hebrewhero, what did White people do to you that you think everyone who disagrees with you is racist? Serious question.[/quote]

I dont hate white people. I am white. But as a white man with a black wife and 3 mixed kids which by anyones intial glance would just assume them black I get put in the unfortunate position of dealing with racisim frequently. All the time I hear white people say stupid shit about black people becuase they assume its “safe” to say it around me.

When I show them my kids pictures or mention my famil status I get the same 2 stepin backtracking answers “oh well I didnt mean it like that” or “Im not racist thats not what I meant” I cant stand it and its bullshit… When people use terms like “those people” “they all do this” or my fav “oh thats how they talk” Its racist bullshit. In the realworld I confront people all the time on it so on here I shouldnt expect less as its just a micro-cosim of society. I respect all people of any color, ethnicty, religion, and style choice.