Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

I apologize to those that got involved in this. This was my first and at this point last argument with Professor X. I refuse to argue with someone that doesn’t/won’t think rationally. I’m alive and never went to the hospital. Yes they knew where I lived but they never saw me. They had no idea who I was. I waited for the whole thing to move on and went home.

If you think that the correct thing to do was to walk up to these people and ask them to leave you’re out of your mind. You see it differently but I won’t argue with a wall. That would make me crazy. The way they treated an armed authority figure I believe is better than they would have treated me. They could have been arrested for trespassing and had their vehicles towed. I chose not to do that.

The police asked me before they approached them if I wanted anyone arrested or prosecuted or the vehicles towed. I said I just want to go home. I feel like maybe he should have issued a citation for the threat or arrested someone, but that was his decision. You can choose to see me however you’d like. A racist or a bigot or just an asshole. Your opinion doesn’t matter as I don’t hold much regard for you. Thanks for proving my point though.

You make judgements about people as well with limited information. The only difference is you won’t own up to your faults. I’m honest, I own my faults and failures just as much as I own success. I think that makes me a bigger person.

install: I have to ask, if its ok, where the hellz do you live?
What did you say to the dispatcher when you called? Honestly, how did you describe the situation?

For clarification, trespassing is a crime, hence why there are signs that say, “if caught trespassing you pay ‘x’ fine.” That being said, upon a first offense, cops will merely request you get off the property. Assuming no vandalism, defamation of property, there will be no charges pressed.

IF said person(s) refuse to get off the property after being asked to leave, they can be arrested. So what install did was legal and appropriate. Regardless of race, I would have done the same. It is my home, there are 5 of you and 1 of me. It is dark outside. You are near my house. I am on foot and without a way of escape. It seems the home exterior was also dimly lit. Should you be pro-active or re-active? Remember, that the details of the situation impact how you respond. If it was well lit (like an outside flood lamp) and you see 5 guys walking through your yard, let them pass. If they are just bs’ing but don’t seem to be intentionally loitering, ask them to move on. Add little to no light, a group of adult males lingering anywhere near your home,and you immediately become defensive.

Case in point. I came home one evening in the winter, it was 7 pm, already black as night. Two men were walking down my street, no biggy people walk all the time. I had just pulled in my garage, got out of my car and was getting ready to close my door. The two men come walking into my driveway, and say “hey buddy.” I’m standing in a well-lit garage, looking out into dark night with two approaching males, I’m tired, its late, and I don’t want bothered. I immediately went on the defensive - who walks around at, enters someone’s driveway to hail them without knowing them? Turns out that before they reached the garage they stated why they were there. It was for a census for water purity or something. I spoke with them for a few minutes and they asked me to fill out a questionnaire, even asked to come into my home “who the f does that?” And no it wasn’t freezing cold outside it was like mid 40’s. I bid them a good night and went about my way. Both men were white, so don’t even bother.

Point is, different circumstances illicit different responses. Different situations will make people uneasy. If I had 5 dudes in my driveway when I’m walking to my home, and I don’t recognize them as I approach you better damn well believe I’ll get defensive and uneasy. I don’t care about race or color. 5 to 1 is bad odds. I may ask them what they are doing - at a distance - and request they leave. If they don’t I call the cops at that point. It all depends on how I perceive the situation.

Now let’s try a different example. My girlfriend comes home and there are five males in our yard. What should she do? We now have a female against 5 males, this is a far different situation than my own. I would want her to call the cops, because she shouldn’t have to deal with that situation. And I don’t give a damn what DarkNinja or any other hardass has to say, bad things happen all the time, you aren’t as tough as you think you are. I’m not willing to take a risk for the sake of being “cool.” I can very easily post multiple articles of people “being cool” that went horribly wrong. You don’t know the person standing across from you and based on their actions, appearance, and demeanor you will profile them. Its a human action, all social classes confirm that fact.

You’re right, you shouldn’t profile someone for being black. But take that same person, add 4 more and place them in a prodominantly white neighborhood (90%+, with 5-7% Asian) and you begin to ask yourself why they are there after dark? Party, maybe, but I know my neighbors and what their friends look like, and the cars they drive. If none of that matches, I’m immediately uneasy, I’d get that way about a group of white males loitering at night too - I already confirmed that. And you can’t claim racist to any of this, because I know exactly what its like to be stared at going into a prodominantly black neighorhood, in fact, I was point blank asked why I was there. Am I not welcome at your gas station?

People need to stop painting the picture of the white monster. People need to also stop making excuses for poor dress. Sorry baggy pants doesn’t cool you off in heat, and showing your underwear doesn’t help dissipate anything. And that goes for whites and blacks. Then tack on not speaking or holding yourself well (again, white or black), and I start to profile. Not my fault you can’t speak like an adult, or show any modicum of respect.

I get profiled, judged, and discriminated every day in Japan, 24/7 non-stop. Do I get upset about it? No. Is it a bit unreasonable, yes. I understand having a Japanese girl walking towards me on the street and walking as far away from me as possible when we cross paths. I’m different, I’m a potential risk, and she’s uncomfortable. Its silly, because I pose no threat to her, but its a precaution she is taking. I get discriminated on the train, people won’t sit next to me many times, whether I’m in a suit or shorts/t-shirt. Now some do because they see me every day on the train, but they didn’t. So with all due respect, I do understand, I’m living it. And with all do respect, get over it. If you want people to be comfortable with you, you need to conform - bottom line. If I wore a mohawk here, I garauntee I would be treated like an animal. Yes, the US is more open then this, but people are comfortable with what they are used to. I’m comfortable around black people, talking to them and hanging out with them. I am not comfortable with having 5 of them show up at night to my home that I don’t know and loitering on my property. Do you see what I’m saying here? I’m uncomfortable because in that particular situation, things aren’t as they normally would be. If every night there were 3 - 5 black guys going for a walk down my street and I saw them, every night, no big deal. Hell, they could be masterminds and trying to de-sensitize me to the fact they are frequenting my neighborhood, but because they do it every day or two, they are now familiar and a part of “normal life.”

How people can not grasp such a simple, social fact, one that has been argued for almost 8 pages is beyond me. And X, if you have a wife/girlfriend/whatever I garauntee you would not want her being as brave and forward as you. Knowing what you know, and I know about Houston (I’ve been there, and I have co-workers who live there) some things are worth the risk and some arten’t, and those risks escalate for women.

Quasi said “You’re right, you shouldn’t profile someone for being black. But take that same person, add 4 more and place them in a prodominantly white neighborhood (90%+, with 5-7% Asian) and you begin to ask yourself why they are there after dark?”

So if they were gathered during the daylight its ok?? Only an night time do they morph into these things we see portrayed by the media?

I said that there 5 guys convened in directly in front my porch that I don’t know and that I would like it checked out. There were cars parked in my driveway that weren’t mine and my personal vehicle was parked in. I asked that they send someone to check it out. I’d rather not say the city but it’s large enough that we have gangs and shootings. In fact I grew up in a “gang neighborhood”. I have a younger brother that got involved with that shit and is currently serving 25 years. I’m perfectly aware who I need to be concerned about and who not to. You can call it whatever you’d like, profiling, bigotry, or whatever. I am alive today through some pretty shitty situations because I profile a thug as thug. That has nothing to do with skin color in my eyes. There are hispanic, white, asian, and black people that I would put into the same category. And yes it is very likely that the first determining factor I would use is the way are dressed and their demeanor. My brother is a thug and he ended up where he deserved to be.


What part of bad lighting doesn’t make sense? Stop trying to pick apart small details At night what are most “normal” folks doing? Eating dinner, going to/from activities, relaxing, and preparing for bed.

Why is night time a dangerous time? Maybe because visibility is lower, and people have always feared the dark? Like since cave man times? Black people don’t become a monster at night, neither do White, Hispanic, or Asian. People become potential threats when situations arise in which you are not comfortable.

If it were middle of the day, I have a clear view of what is going on around me. If 5 people are walking down the road, or even through my yard, they know they can be seen and I can see them clearly and what they are doing. They are less likely to do something inappropriate. In the evening they have the cover of darkness.

Here’s a good example. I hunt whitetail deer. At dusk and dawn deer are the most uneasy while moving. Why is that? Because their eye sight is most limited. During high winds they are especially skiddish, because they can’t hear. If the wind is blowing in a different direction or constantly changing their sense of smell is off. I can be in the same location, in the same camo clothing, and with the same intent of taking my quarry in all situations, but give that same animal a clear, cool day with the sun up, and that animal will be far more laxed.

As intelligent, advanced, and “evolved” as we like to think we are, we all still suffer from basic instincts. If you can’t accept or understand that then you have serious issues. We are all still animals at our core, only our intellectual being prevents us from reverting back to primal/evil acts. In fact, that is exactly what I believe drives people to rape, senselessly murder, abuse, etc. Good people control it, because we are human, bad people give in to it and become nothing but animals.

Feel free to twist what I’ve said.

As another hunter that’s very true. And those damn deer are tough and quite smart.

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Quasi said “You’re right, you shouldn’t profile someone for being black. But take that same person, add 4 more and place them in a prodominantly white neighborhood (90%+, with 5-7% Asian) and you begin to ask yourself why they are there after dark?”

So if they were gathered during the daylight its ok?? Only an night time do they morph into these things we see portrayed by the media? [/quote]

Don’t twist his words with your dumb rhetoric. Holy fuck we can see it from a mile away.

Damn some of you are sensitive…
It was a funny question.

He also said “black as night.”

He just stated it funny. night time is coming, relax, eat some dinner, prepare for bed. Nothing bad happens in day light, chill out.

It sounded like "4 black dudes in front of your house during the day time…nothing to worry about…but a night!! holy fuck, shit is about to go down. "

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
It sounded like "4 black dudes in front of your house during the day time…nothing to worry about…but a night!! holy fuck, shit is about to go down. "
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I did not read it like that at all

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
As another hunter that’s very true. And those damn deer are tough and quite smart. [/quote]

The deer in MS are fat and stupid.

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
As another hunter that’s very true. And those damn deer are tough and quite smart. [/quote]

The deer in MS are fat and stupid.[/quote]

Damn I want to hunt them. I’ve had deer see me up in a tree when I shifted my hand a couple inches. Fuckers

So the moral of the story, if 30 guys are running at you with knifes and guns drawn, baggy pants and perfect dental hygiene if you do anything other than assume that they are going to give you hugs you are racist if they are black.

When I wrote “black as night” I paused on that and considered changing it. I assumed that people are mature enough not to be like, “zomg you mean like black skin, like you can only see the white of my eyes and my teeth because I have dark skin, you’re so racist!!” I have more faith in people than that.

I was also going to add regarding your comment on daylight, that many of the more common crimes - such as burglary - occur during the day because most people aren’t home and are at work. Its easier to avoid the home-owners. So you’re right, day time is not a safer time. You can walk into the bad parts of a city in the middle of the day and still turn up missing. I could do exactly that here in Japan, if I go down a street where the Yakuza frequent and start trouble, you can bet they won’t wait until night fall to deal with the problem “gaijin.”

For me personally, my concern is first and foremost always my family. If someone wants to steal my possessions, go for it, I have insurance. Let them take my belongings, they can be replaced. I can not replace a life or the quality of life that was had when someone felt safe. Have you ever met someone who was a victim of a crime, especially one that personally affected them (ie not robbery, but harsher crime). Those people have had a portion of their lives robbed from them. They may be physically fine, but mentally and emotionally they are compromised forever. An Asian girl who is raped by a US military person will forever fear and profile white men. A Black father whose son was mercilessly beat by cops will forever hate men in uniform. We are impacted by the world around us and our experiences, it does form our worldview.

My greatest humor in all of this, though its borderline sadness and pity, is that people sit here and talk about, “well maybe you aren’t cultured enough.” How many people in this thread have been around the world, have seen different walks of life? I’m not talking the tourist areas, I mean have actually seen the REAL side of other cultures? The US may have its problems, but its a shining star among the rest of the world when it comes to cultural acceptance, good cops, and fair treatment for everyone. I’d love to see folks’ reaction after living in Russia for a month, or China, or how about somewhere like Africa?

Be grateful for what we do have, get over your petty issues and move forward. I said this some 20 pages ago,and it was all out ignored. We do have issues, and they do exist quite strongly in the Black, inner-city community, just as it does with the White inner-city community, just as it does in some small town rural communities - though their problem is more education than crime. I want to know solutions and what to do, because all I see are problems. I see people making money off of problems (like Sharpton and others) and good people suffering as a result, on both sides.

When will you grow up?

[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:

We do have issues, and they do exist quite strongly in the Black, inner-city community, just as it does with the White inner-city community, just as it does in some small town rural communities - though their problem is more education than crime. [/quote]

how dare you say they are inferior!

(seems to be the conclusion no matter what your type anyway)

I unfortunately do not have much work right now, there is a big slug of it coming down the line, but for right now I’m free at work to do other research.

I ran the statistics of the top 25 most dangerous locations in the US… I have the cited materials to back it up… shall I post it? I also ran the information for the most dangerous locations in the world… I can post those too, although wikipedia did a great job of that one. Numbers don’t lie.

My sole curiosity is how do we fix it and make it better, or do we just allow those places to implode and all those living there suffer in their own filth - whether they actually created it or not? We suffer from PC’itis. We can not move forward for fear of offending someone, so we take a step back into a pitfall and skewer ourselves to societal problems that can achieve no resolution on their own without big change and a pair of big boy pants to do it.

Edit: People are making a somewhat tongue-in-cheek joke of the problem here. Its the forums and that’s fine. Some people are trying to have serious discussion, some people are trolling, and some people are quite literally steeped in their own ideals/vision so far they are completely refusing to see anything to the contrary.

What the problem is, that same mentality also exists in the “real world.” This is just a representation of what is actually happening, its not like we joke about it but in reality people don’t really think all this crap, they do! So we either choose to leave it be and let it take its natural course (which nature dictates will be bad, not good) or we work to fix the inevitable.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
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Whoa whoa whoa,

Leave skin color out of this.

You racist.