[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL at waiting for them to beat your ass…when they didn’t and apparently wouldn’t have.
Still waiting on what made them “thugs” to start with before cops were called.
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When they apparently wouldn’t have? And how do you know this? Assumptions…[/quote]
If they would have…they would have…especially if they are “verbally assaulting” the cop.
Shit, they know where he lives now. Smart move.
We can also always go back to getting nervous because of guys with mohawks. I get the feeling some have been very sheltered…away from any other cultures.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
We can also always go back to getting nervous because of guys with mohawks. I get the feeling some have been very sheltered…away from any other cultures.[/quote]
says the guy who is on guard 24/7 expecting to be robbed by everyone.
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[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
We can also always go back to getting nervous because of guys with mohawks. I get the feeling some have been very sheltered…away from any other cultures.[/quote]
says the guy who is on guard 24/7 expecting to be robbed by everyone. [/quote]
LOL.
I live in Houston. You don’t even know what you are talking about. I don’t expect to be robbed by everyone. I expect for a robbery to potentially happen at all times…BECAUSE IT HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES. That is what security systems are for…not for people who don’t think crimes happen.
the bigger the city, the more alert you may need to be…but that usually involves acting in a criminal manner, not just “standing there”.
I also don’t go around calling the cops all day long because of a potential threat. I just stay on guard. They teach that in the military also.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
We can also always go back to getting nervous because of guys with mohawks. I get the feeling some have been very sheltered…away from any other cultures.[/quote]
says the guy who is on guard 24/7 expecting to be robbed by everyone. [/quote]
LOL.
I live in Houston. You don’t even know what you are talking about. I don’t expect to be robbed by everyone. I expect for a robbery to potentially happen at all times…BECAUSE IT HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES. That is what security systems are for…not for people who don’t think crimes happen.
the bigger the city, the more alert you may need to be…but that usually involves acting in a criminal manner, not just “standing there”.
I also don’t go around calling the cops all day long because of a potential threat. I just stay on guard. They teach that in the military also.[/quote]
everyone but you is sheltered is how you are coming across. I live in little rock btw, but surely that doesn’t count according to you. fyi, you can be robbed in anytown, usa and HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES. regardless, we are now dealing in pure hypotheticals, so I will stop derailing this thread.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
everyone but you is sheltered is how you are coming across.[/quote]
If that is how I come across to you, maybe YOU are the one missing the point.
I don’t see a guy with a mohawk as a threat. i don’t get scared of guys standing there to the point that I won’t ask them to move before cops get called.
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I live in little rock btw, but surely that doesn’t count according to you. fyi, you can be robbed in anytown, usa and HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES. regardless, we are now dealing in pure hypotheticals, so I will stop derailing this thread. [/quote]
No, it doesn’t count. Houston is way bigger than Little Rock. Last I checked, it is the third largest city in the US.
2.145 million (2011)
Houston, Population
195,314 (2011)
Little Rock, Population
Los Angeles
3.82 million (2011)
San Antonio
1.36 million (2011)
Texas
26.06 million (2012)
LOLz
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]I AM INVINCIBLE wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What made them thugs?
Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.
You ask them to move.
case solved.
i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]
A direct quote from you.
"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.
That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.
That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.
What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."
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…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.
Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.
It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.
How did the cops come into this?
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I always thought trespassing on private property was a crime.
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Then the cop would have arrested them for this CRIME. He didn’t…apparently even after they “assaulted him” according to the poster.
Quite strange, no?[/quote]
While I have never experienced this myself, I have heard of police officers issuing warnings or citations to those who commit lesser crimes. The job of the police is to deal with any illegal activity, even if they judge it minor enough to not warrant an arrest.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
2.145 million (2011)
Houston, Population
195,314 (2011)
Little Rock, Population
Los Angeles
3.82 million (2011)
San Antonio
1.36 million (2011)
Texas
26.06 million (2012)
LOLz[/quote]
LOLz all you want, I guess I should go to gas stations at 3 am and feel safe, unlike you, since our population is smaller. And you are the one who said everyone else is sheltered, not me, so basically it is ok for you to go around town on alert just not everyone else.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]installglass wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]installglass wrote:
I called the police.
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LOL!!
Because there were people with sagging pants in your drive way just…standing there?
Dude, if the cops came in less than four hours, I am pissed off.
I am amazed at the society that thinks this is the proper behavior as opposed to, “excuse me…that’s my driveway!”.
Wow.
Yes, I do believe all of this falls in line with this topic.[/quote]
I’m done. It was a commentary on people profiling each other. You can think I’m an ass for being worried that the people in my driveway were people to be concerned about. As it turns out by the way. They were to attend a party down the road and decided that my driveway was ok to park in even though it wasn’t theirs. The police did arrive and when he asked them to move they threatened “kick his ass”. He eventually got them to leave but I’m fucking happy it wasn’t me that attempted it.
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Dude, I’m actually glad you had the nuts to explain this.
I don’t hate you for it or think you are “an ass”.
I think you are devoid of any cultural knowledge of the people you are judging though.
Seriously, calling the cops because men are standing there?
Really?
You would do the same if they were white and wearing college sweaters?
They responded that way BECAUSE YOU CALLED THE COPS.
I would be pissed if someone called the fucking cops on me for standing there also.[/quote]
Really? I mean if they were just standing on the street near my driveway and I called the cops then yeah. That’d probably piss me off if I was them. But I read his post and it seems to have been clarified later by him–they weren’t just standing near his property or in the yard. They parked in his driveway. Not on the side of the road, which while annoying is also pretty common if you drive to a party and normal. Parking on the side of the road to walk to a party is also no cause for calling the police. No, it seems they parked their car/s IN his driveway. Like it was theirs. And they decided to stay there and hang out. That’s not a cultural difference, that’s bullshit–you don’t use somebody else’s property unless you have their permission.
Also, if somebody called the cops on me, I wouldn’t be pissed at the cop for doing his job, I’d be pissed at the guy who called them. Might be pissed at the cop if he was a prick to me but not just because he showed up to get me to move. I’ve had that happen before and it’s aggravating but understandable. Chances are if I’m remotely sane I am not threatening a cop with bodily harm…if I was pissed enough to threaten anybody it would be yelling at the guy who called the cops for not talking to me first. If you’re dumbass enough to threaten a cop with bodily harm I don’t want to be the one initiating the conversation because that means you’re probably feeling confident enough or drunk enough or whatever enough to go ahead and start a confrontation with me, since I don’t have a uniform, gun, and have no legal authority other than being the owner of the house.
Look, this is a futile conversation: everybody gets the “bad vibe” in some situation or other. Sometimes it’s not justified. Sometimes it’s just plain stupid. But sometimes you’re right, and a gang of people (informal gang; a group, not “gang”) of people parked on my driveway at night shows a lack of any respect for personal property–that’s not a cultural thing. A lack of respect for other’s personal property would be one of the things that I would look at as your “hygiene” rubric. That has no foundation in race. Further I think it is much more likely that someone showing no respect for others’ property is exactly the type of person I should be cautious about, regardless of what they are dressed like or what race they are.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
LOLz all you want, I guess I should go to gas stations at 3 am and feel safe, unlike you, since our population is smaller. And you are the one who said everyone else is sheltered, not me, so basically it is ok for you to go around town on alert just not everyone else.
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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]installglass wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]installglass wrote:
I called the police.
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LOL!!
Because there were people with sagging pants in your drive way just…standing there?
Dude, if the cops came in less than four hours, I am pissed off.
I am amazed at the society that thinks this is the proper behavior as opposed to, “excuse me…that’s my driveway!”.
Wow.
Yes, I do believe all of this falls in line with this topic.[/quote]
I’m done. It was a commentary on people profiling each other. You can think I’m an ass for being worried that the people in my driveway were people to be concerned about. As it turns out by the way. They were to attend a party down the road and decided that my driveway was ok to park in even though it wasn’t theirs. The police did arrive and when he asked them to move they threatened “kick his ass”. He eventually got them to leave but I’m fucking happy it wasn’t me that attempted it.
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Dude, I’m actually glad you had the nuts to explain this.
I don’t hate you for it or think you are “an ass”.
I think you are devoid of any cultural knowledge of the people you are judging though.
Seriously, calling the cops because men are standing there?
Really?
You would do the same if they were white and wearing college sweaters?
They responded that way BECAUSE YOU CALLED THE COPS.
I would be pissed if someone called the fucking cops on me for standing there also.[/quote]
Really? I mean if they were just standing on the street near my driveway and I called the cops then yeah. That’d probably piss me off if I was them. But I read his post and it seems to have been clarified later by him–they weren’t just standing near his property or in the yard. They parked in his driveway. Not on the side of the road, which while annoying is also pretty common if you drive to a party and normal. Parking on the side of the road to walk to a party is also no cause for calling the police. No, it seems they parked their car/s IN his driveway. Like it was theirs. And they decided to stay there and hang out. That’s not a cultural difference, that’s bullshit–you don’t use somebody else’s property unless you have their permission.
Also, if somebody called the cops on me, I wouldn’t be pissed at the cop for doing his job, I’d be pissed at the guy who called them. Might be pissed at the cop if he was a prick to me but not just because he showed up to get me to move. I’ve had that happen before and it’s aggravating but understandable. Chances are if I’m remotely sane I am not threatening a cop with bodily harm…if I was pissed enough to threaten anybody it would be yelling at the guy who called the cops for not talking to me first. If you’re dumbass enough to threaten a cop with bodily harm I don’t want to be the one initiating the conversation because that means you’re probably feeling confident enough or drunk enough or whatever enough to go ahead and start a confrontation with me, since I don’t have a uniform, gun, and have no legal authority other than being the owner of the house.
Look, this is a futile conversation: everybody gets the “bad vibe” in some situation or other. Sometimes it’s not justified. Sometimes it’s just plain stupid. But sometimes you’re right, and a gang of people (informal gang; a group, not “gang”) of people parked on my driveway at night shows a lack of any respect for personal property–that’s not a cultural thing. A lack of respect for other’s personal property would be one of the things that I would look at as your “hygiene” rubric. That has no foundation in race. Further I think it is much more likely that someone showing no respect for others’ property is exactly the type of person I should be cautious about, regardless of what they are dressed like or what race they are.
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Look at it this way…no matter how you cut it…you don’t piss off the REAL THUGS who know where you live.
Dumbass move.
Luckily for this guy, they just seemed like “guys who get labeled as thugs because they scare people with their sagging pants”.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
2.145 million (2011)
Houston, Population
195,314 (2011)
Little Rock, Population
Los Angeles
3.82 million (2011)
San Antonio
1.36 million (2011)
Texas
26.06 million (2012)
LOLz[/quote]
LOLz all you want, I guess I should go to gas stations at 3 am and feel safe, unlike you, since our population is smaller. And you are the one who said everyone else is sheltered, not me, so basically it is ok for you to go around town on alert just not everyone else.
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You live in Little Rock. You could sleep at the gas station and the local hobo will bring you coffee in the morning.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
LOLz all you want, I guess I should go to gas stations at 3 am and feel safe, unlike you, since our population is smaller. And you are the one who said everyone else is sheltered, not me, so basically it is ok for you to go around town on alert just not everyone else.
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ha! very nice.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
2.145 million (2011)
Houston, Population
195,314 (2011)
Little Rock, Population
Los Angeles
3.82 million (2011)
San Antonio
1.36 million (2011)
Texas
26.06 million (2012)
LOLz[/quote]
LOLz all you want, I guess I should go to gas stations at 3 am and feel safe, unlike you, since our population is smaller. And you are the one who said everyone else is sheltered, not me, so basically it is ok for you to go around town on alert just not everyone else.
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You live in Little Rock. You could sleep at the gas station and the local hobo will bring you coffee in the morning.[/quote]
congrats on living in a more heavily crime ridden area I guess.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
2.145 million (2011)
Houston, Population
195,314 (2011)
Little Rock, Population
Los Angeles
3.82 million (2011)
San Antonio
1.36 million (2011)
Texas
26.06 million (2012)
LOLz[/quote]
LOLz all you want, I guess I should go to gas stations at 3 am and feel safe, unlike you, since our population is smaller. And you are the one who said everyone else is sheltered, not me, so basically it is ok for you to go around town on alert just not everyone else.
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You live in Little Rock. You could sleep at the gas station and the local hobo will bring you coffee in the morning.[/quote]
congrats on living in a more heavily crime ridden area I guess. [/quote]
once again, look how far I have let you drag me off topic, which is normal run of the mill for debating with you. we are now bragging about who lives amongst the worst of the worst. chalk up another debate win for the mighty X.
[quote]installglass wrote:
It should also be noted that I was on foot. Not in a the car that APPARENTLY would have kept me safe. I also waited about 5 minutes at the end of the block to call the police. Did I know they were to attend a party. NOPE. I had no idea what their intentions were. I sure as hell wasn’t going to walk up and ask what their intentions were. Apparently that makes me a racist, asshole. Or a pussy.[/quote]
In my opinion you did a perfectly reasonable job. You would have been an absolute IDIOT to walk on foot to confront a group of 5 people parked in your driveway, using your property, at night, and standing almost on your own front porch, and almost 2 full blocks away from the party they were supposed to attend. That violates every single tactical rule of engagement and situational awareness I can think of, no matter the race. People who do walk up to that situation are people who end up getting stomped into the hospital. Being in a car would allow me to pull around and ask them while in the car, but not on foot. No way.
Your reaction is completely reasonable.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Look at it this way…no matter how you cut it…you don’t piss off the REAL THUGS who know where you live.
Dumbass move.
Luckily for this guy, they just seemed like “guys who get labeled as thugs because they scare people with their sagging pants”.[/quote]
Lose-lose. If they ARE real thugs and you confront them–on foot, by yourself–then they will put you into the hospital and probably loot your place afterwards. If you are still alive. If they are real thugs then the ONLY thing to do when you are alone, outnumbered, and without a weapon is to call the police. Hard to defend yourself if you’re FUCKING DEAD.
You probably pissed them off less by staying out of the way and having a cop talk them out of the driveway. I might be reading it wrong, but the way I read it is he stayed well off away from his property while the cop handled things. If that’s the case they may not see the person who called the cops well enough to get a description, or even know the cop was called vs. just making a drivearound. Chances are also good that they hold less animosity towards a particular property/person if a figure of authority tells them to move vs. if they feel their alpha status being threatened by a single unarmed and un-uniformed person. The psychology of primates and groups again shows this to be true. The psychology of violent confrontations also shows this to be a very real and very commonly occurring accidental escalation point. You don’t even need to be a “real thug” for that to set you off; I’ve seen this kind of thing happen countless times in bars, or at house parties to say nothing of a random house with no friendly or neutral crowd around to act as witnesses.
That’s the kind of “brave” that gets you killed.