Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

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[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

This wouldn’t even register as a threat because there is way more shit than this happening most days.[/quote]

Then you are delusional. There is way more shit than this happening most days. Just not on my property![/quote]

I’m delusional because I wouldn’t call the cops for this?

I am still trying to understand how telling them to move is a last option.

What were they doing that was causing so much fear to take place?

I just don’t approach life this way…yet because I don’t see this as a 'co[p calling threat" that makes me delusional?

Wow…talk about not allowing any other perception of culture.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
LOL @ expecting to get robbed, coming home at night and finding 5 men trespassing on your property and not calling the police.
Classic.
Anyway, I’m outta here.
Keep up the ridiculoous antics Prof, you never fail to entertain.
I’m sure if you came home late at night to find 5 guys in white robes sitting in your driveway you would just get out and tell them to move but not everyone is a 260 pound mocha muscle mosaic that crushes hammer strength machines and eats 45lb bumper plates for breakfast :wink:

Just make sure you don’t profile those white robed men without first inspecting their teeth for bad flossing habits :)[/quote]

Did you just fucking say Mocha. Muscle. Mosaic!?!?!

Best post of this entire retarded thread. [/quote]

lol best post x2

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[quote]I AM INVINCIBLE wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

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…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.

Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.

It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.

How did the cops come into this?
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I always thought trespassing on private property was a crime.
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This is why it will never end until we go to full on socialism. But then it will just come up again when they find out some white people (by 1/4 or less) only had to wait in line 2 hours 55 minutes for their food rations instead of the usual 3.

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I was really starting to miss X’s gross misunderstanding of the fact that his opinions were not universally accepted around here as gospel. Its nice to see a return to form.

Also, funny you guys pointed out the saggy pants thing, i didnt even realize that X just pulled the detail about the guys being black out of his ass. Argumentative much?

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I do love how X just assumed the guys were black when install didn’t even say anything about skin color. Talk about looking for a race issue when there isn’t one. Also, I find it ridiculous that X acts like minorities are the only ones who get treated unfairly. There was a post somewhere in here or the other Martin threads about a white cop who was shot by a young black male just for being white because the black guy was trying to get into a gang. That kind of shit is exactly why it is appropriate to be cautious like install was in his situation. The reality is that white people are subjected to harsh treatment for their skin color all the time. Just like blacks. Some here seem to be acting like that isn’t so.[/quote]

I will also admit to assuming that they were black. My point in this whole exercise was to say that we all make judgements about people based on limited information. My information was limited based on being at the end of my road.(about 3 houses). I could make out clothing types with the limited light(one street lamp on the whole street) but not skin tones. I did make the same assumption that X did. Was it more racist for me to assume that than you X?

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[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
I do love how X just assumed the guys were black when install didn’t even say anything about skin color. Talk about looking for a race issue when there isn’t one. Also, I find it ridiculous that X acts like minorities are the only ones who get treated unfairly. There was a post somewhere in here or the other Martin threads about a white cop who was shot by a young black male just for being white because the black guy was trying to get into a gang. That kind of shit is exactly why it is appropriate to be cautious like install was in his situation. The reality is that white people are subjected to harsh treatment for their skin color all the time. Just like blacks. Some here seem to be acting like that isn’t so.[/quote]

I will also admit to assuming that they were black. My point in this whole exercise was to say that we all make judgements about people based on limited information. My information was limited based on being at the end of my road.(about 3 houses). I could make out clothing types with the limited light(one street lamp on the whole street) but not skin tones. I did make the assumption that X did. Was it more racist for me to assume that than you X? [/quote]

Yes, if after noticing it you do something to them that you would NOT do if they were a different color or just dressed differently but acted exactly the same.

To me, this is not a “call the cops” issue unless they don’t move after asking them to.

This is calling the cops and using that resource when someone could actually be dying of a REAL CRIME somewhere.

I don’t use the cops as baby sitters.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]I AM INVINCIBLE wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

[/quote]

…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.

Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.

It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.

How did the cops come into this?
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I always thought trespassing on private property was a crime.
[/quote]

Then the cop would have arrested them for this CRIME. He didn’t…apparently even after they “assaulted him” according to the poster.

Quite strange, no?[/quote]

Just because someone breaks the law doesn’t mean they automatically get arrested for it and go to jail. In many offenses, cops can decide on their own judgment whether to take them to jail, ticket them, or simply give them a stern warning. It is called discretion.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Just because someone breaks the law doesn’t mean they automatically get arrested for it and go to jail. In many offenses, cops can decide on their own judgment whether to take them to jail, ticket them, or simply give them a stern warning. It is called discretion. [/quote]

Dear God, I am being told what a crime it is yet even after “they verbally assault the cop” he still doesn’t arrest them?

Must have been very NOT crime worthy.

Which again begs the question why cops get called before there actually is a sign of a real issue.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]I AM INVINCIBLE wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

[/quote]

…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.

Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.

It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.

How did the cops come into this?
[/quote]

I always thought trespassing on private property was a crime.
[/quote]

Then the cop would have arrested them for this CRIME. He didn’t…apparently even after they “assaulted him” according to the poster.

Quite strange, no?[/quote]

Are you purposely ignoring the post i made regarding this or did you just miss it?

Cops do not automatically arrest people for any ol’ crime. Sometimes all they are obligated to do is tell the person to move at the behest of the property owner. If there is cause to arrest someone, it may still be up to the property owner if he wants to pursue it that far.

Some people dont want to have to go to court and shit just cause they needed a guy removed from their property, so they may kindly ask the cops to tell these guys to move. The cop probably didnt want to have to do more work than he has to in this situation either.

Tell me something Install, did you lie to the dispatcher when you called this one in, or did you describe the situation exactly as it was? Because if you were honest and they dispatched cops to the scene, then apparently you werent too out of line, now were you?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Just because someone breaks the law doesn’t mean they automatically get arrested for it and go to jail. In many offenses, cops can decide on their own judgment whether to take them to jail, ticket them, or simply give them a stern warning. It is called discretion. [/quote]

Dear God, I am being told what a crime it is yet even after “they verbally assault the cop” he still doesn’t arrest them?

Must have been very NOT crime worthy.

Which again begs the question why cops get called before there actually is a sign of a real issue.

[/quote]

What are you not understanding about this?

Just because you dont call it a crime, doesnt make it not a crime. You dont have to agree it with it. You dont have to like it. But denying it just makes you look stupid.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Just because someone breaks the law doesn’t mean they automatically get arrested for it and go to jail. In many offenses, cops can decide on their own judgment whether to take them to jail, ticket them, or simply give them a stern warning. It is called discretion. [/quote]

Dear God, I am being told what a crime it is yet even after “they verbally assault the cop” he still doesn’t arrest them?

Must have been very NOT crime worthy.

Which again begs the question why cops get called before there actually is a sign of a real issue.

[/quote]

Verbally assaulted a cop?? So what, that this isn’t an automatic go to jail offense. It depends on the cop. It does, however, show the hostility of the individual that “verbally assaulted the cop.” If he gave the cop shit, i’m pretty sure he would have gave the poster more shit for asking them to leave.

Also, why wait for someone to start beating your ass before you call the cops? Some people prefer not to take that risk. Would I have called the cops? No. But I don’t blame someone for doing that when there is FIVE people on their property that shouldn’t be there. I don’t care how big and tough someone is, when FIVE gang up on ONE, the ONE gets their ass beat.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]I AM INVINCIBLE wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

[/quote]

…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.

Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.

It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.

How did the cops come into this?
[/quote]

I always thought trespassing on private property was a crime.
[/quote]

Then the cop would have arrested them for this CRIME. He didn’t…apparently even after they “assaulted him” according to the poster.

Quite strange, no?[/quote]

Now you are making shit up. They did not assault him. They threatened to. If I had approached them on foot it is my assumption that I would have been assaulted. Especially with information that is available now. He asked them to move. They threatened him. I as less of an authority figure don’t feel I would have gotten a threat. They could have been arrested. That was never what I wanted. You are being completely unreasonable and making me out to be the bad guy. I wasn’t parked on another persons property. Hanging out in their driveway. I wanted to feel safe walking into my home. Walking up to 5 unknown men in my driveway, blocking my front porch, being loud, and as it turns out but was unknown to me “predrinking” for the party 1.5 blocks away, didn’t seem like a good idea. You can claim how much better than that you are but I will never believe it.

May I have done things differently if I were in my car. Maybe. I can’t say. I was on foot. The car that they parked in was mine.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Just because someone breaks the law doesn’t mean they automatically get arrested for it and go to jail. In many offenses, cops can decide on their own judgment whether to take them to jail, ticket them, or simply give them a stern warning. It is called discretion. [/quote]

Dear God, I am being told what a crime it is yet even after “they verbally assault the cop” he still doesn’t arrest them?

Must have been very NOT crime worthy.

Which again begs the question why cops get called before there actually is a sign of a real issue.

[/quote]

Verbally assaulted a cop?? So what, that this isn’t an automatic go to jail offense. It depends on the cop. It does, however, show the hostility of the individual that “verbally assaulted the cop.” If he gave the cop shit, i’m pretty sure he would have gave the poster more shit for asking them to leave. [/quote]

More assumptions?

If someone calls the cops on me before saying anything. I will get pissed also.

[quote]
Also, why wait for someone to start beating your ass before you call the cops? Some people prefer not to take that risk. W[/quote]

Well shit, those people better have the cops on call all day long because they damn sure won’t be doing much living around minorities if they have fear like that running through them.

LOL at waiting for them to beat your ass…when they didn’t and apparently wouldn’t have.

Still waiting on what made them “thugs” to start with before cops were called.

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[quote]installglass wrote:

Now you are making shit up. They did not assault him. They threatened to.[/quote]

That is the definition of verbal assault for a cop.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Just because someone breaks the law doesn’t mean they automatically get arrested for it and go to jail. In many offenses, cops can decide on their own judgment whether to take them to jail, ticket them, or simply give them a stern warning. It is called discretion. [/quote]

Dear God, I am being told what a crime it is yet even after “they verbally assault the cop” he still doesn’t arrest them?

Must have been very NOT crime worthy.

Which again begs the question why cops get called before there actually is a sign of a real issue.

[/quote]

Verbally assaulted a cop?? So what, that this isn’t an automatic go to jail offense. It depends on the cop. It does, however, show the hostility of the individual that “verbally assaulted the cop.” If he gave the cop shit, i’m pretty sure he would have gave the poster more shit for asking them to leave. [/quote]

More assumptions?

If someone calls the cops on me before saying anything. I will get pissed also.

You’re making just as many assumptions about how this would have played out had he not called the cops as anyone else in this thread is.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:

Now you are making shit up. They did not assault him. They threatened to.[/quote]

That is the definition of verbal assault for a cop.

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In my area if a cop arrested every person who made that threat they wouldn’t have time to do anything else.

Get off your high horse

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I’m going to dinner. No more time to be a racist, profiling, ignorant, asshole.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL at waiting for them to beat your ass…when they didn’t and apparently wouldn’t have.

Still waiting on what made them “thugs” to start with before cops were called.
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When they apparently wouldn’t have? And how do you know this? Assumptions…

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[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:

Now you are making shit up. They did not assault him. They threatened to.[/quote]

That is the definition of verbal assault for a cop.

[/quote]

In my area if a cop arrested every person who made that threat they wouldn’t have time to do anything else.

Get off your high horse

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WTF? If someone verbally assaults a cop here, they will likely end up in jail.

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From Webster’s dictionary;

"Crime:

An action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law."

"Trespassing:

Enter the owner’s land or property without permission."

Hmm…this sounds suspiciously like what Install is describing…

Also, some of the millions of similar answers to this question you can find on google:

Gee what do you know, by looking at those responses, it seems most people would have had a similar response to Install. And we know nothing of the races involved. Now, we cant all be paragons of bravery and masculinity like X, but if someone’s being unreasonably argumentative about this subject, the general consensus would seem to suggest it is not the guy who called the cops.

Also, in the definition of crime, lets emphasize the fact that it says MAY be prosecuted by the state, not WILL.