Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and for the record, I seriously doubt the cops would be called if five white guys were standing in your drive way looking they were going to a nearby party.

I am still perplexed at calling police before ever saying anything to them…and then acting amazed that they were upset.[/quote]

I already took responsibility for profiling them. If they had been college student and not dressed the way they were I would have felt safer.

I said we profile people or make judgements about them. Maybe I shouldn’t have, but I did. End of the day I’m glad I did. I also felt bad about it.

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[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and for the record, I seriously doubt the cops would be called if five white guys were standing in your drive way looking they were going to a nearby party.

I am still perplexed at calling police before ever saying anything to them…and then acting amazed that they were upset.[/quote]

I already took responsibility for profiling them. If they had been college student and not dressed the way they were I would have felt safer.

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That’s fine that you can rationalize it.

just know that there are many people in this country who would see your actions as strange.

That is why PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING and this denotes a social issue.

Black guys in sagging pants do not scare me.

They scare you.

That is a problem in itself whether people want to admit it or not…and it isn’t the “black people’s issue” to fix.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:

I think if you would have approached them you would have had an issue. Based on the way situation played out. You are welcome to approach them. I didn’t and after the fact, I’m glad.
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That may be, but personally, I don’t walk out my door everyday expecting to AVOID “issues”.

Like I said, I am glad you mentioned it for discussion…but don’t throw a tissy if it actually becomes a discussion.

It is a prime example of exactly what we are discussing with the original thread topic.[/quote]

I’m not throwing a tissy. I am explaining the situation. You seem to think I should have gotten out of my vehicle into an unknown situation and hoped for the best. I chose based on the circumstances to take the route I thought was safer. How am I to know the intentions of these people? What if their sole intention was to find me? Guess what… Getting out of my car and approaching them would have been a disaster. Regardless they were gathered on my property. Where they shouldn’t have been.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

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…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.

Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.

It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.

How did the cops come into this?

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[quote]installglass wrote:
You seem to think I should have gotten out of my vehicle into an unknown situation and hoped for the best. [/quote]

Nope.

I would have handled that without getting out of my car.

If I had to get out of my car THEN there would be an issue.

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Oh by the way. You have all assumed that they were black! Based on the clothing I described. PROFILING. I never said they were black. You assumed that based on clothing.

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[quote]Jlabs wrote:
I think people need to have friends from many ethnic group if possible. It will open your mind to viewing racism as the human created retarded outdated system that it is. Do animals discriminate against animals of the same species that are a different colour no. [/quote]

No, but they display patterns of discrimination and tribalism, which is, I think a more accurate term than “racism”.

The members of a troupe of chimpanzees may look identical to the members of another troupe, but each individual is extremely conscious of who belongs to the group and who doesn’t.

Jane Goodall chronicled the interaction of two chimp troupes whose only difference was that one troupe lived north of her feeding station, and the other south. Although relations between the Northsiders and the Southsiders was initially amicable, Jane gradually noticed a cool animosity begin to develop among members of the rival troupes. Before long, this animosity turned into open conflict, with each side sending raiding parties into their rivals’ territory, killing the males and kidnapping the females.

The gang war went on for months, until one side had destroyed the other. Complete genocide, down to the last chimp.

Social animals in general, and primates in particular, are very conscious of who is in their group, and who is not. Not all primates are as ruthless and vicious as chimps, but all will recognize the ones who don’t belong. Humans being the most sophisticated of the primates*, we have been able to hone this innate group consciousness, or tribalism, even sharper than a chimp might.

Humans didn’t invent racism. We inherited it, and modernized it.

Even if humans all had the same color skin, we’d find some reason to hate each other.

That group wears clothing that is different from my group.
That group wears its hair in a different style than my group.
That group speaks a different language than my group.
That group speaks with a different accent than my group.
That group listens to a different style of music than my group.
That group supports a different sports team than my group.
That group has less money than my group.
That group has more money than my group.
That group worships God in a different way than my group.
That group eats different foods than my group.
That group was born in a different place than my group

…therefore my group is better.

  • Yes, I said it. Humans are primates, and if you don’t agree, then you don’t know what a primate is.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

[/quote]

…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.

Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.

It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.

How did the cops come into this?
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if he would have got out and got his ass stomped you would be calling him a dumbass.

what does handle your own business mean to you? late at night, a group of guys on his property, nothing to raise his alert I guess. Just seems funny coming from you especially since you acted like everyone in the world is out to get you when you go pump gas at a station.

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LOL @ expecting to get robbed, coming home at night and finding 5 men trespassing on your property and not calling the police.
Classic.
Anyway, I’m outta here.
Keep up the ridiculoous antics Prof, you never fail to entertain.
I’m sure if you came home late at night to find 5 guys in white robes sitting in your driveway you would just get out and tell them to move but not everyone is a 260 pound mocha muscle mosaic that crushes hammer strength machines and eats 45lb bumper plates for breakfast :wink:

Just make sure you don’t profile those white robed men without first inspecting their teeth for bad flossing habits :slight_smile:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

[/quote]

…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.

Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.

It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.

How did the cops come into this?
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We get it, you’re so brave the thought of calling the cops would have never crossed your mind.

Sometimes that gets people hurt. You roll the dice. Dont fault others for taking the safe route.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
LOL @ expecting to get robbed, coming home at night and finding 5 men trespassing on your property and not calling the police.
Classic.
Anyway, I’m outta here.
Keep up the ridiculoous antics Prof, you never fail to entertain.
I’m sure if you came home late at night to find 5 guys in white robes sitting in your driveway you would just get out and tell them to move but not everyone is a 260 pound mocha muscle mosaic that crushes hammer strength machines and eats 45lb bumper plates for breakfast :wink:

Just make sure you don’t profile those white robed men without first inspecting their teeth for bad flossing habits :)[/quote]

Did you just fucking say Mocha. Muscle. Mosaic!?!?!

Best post of this entire retarded thread.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
LOL @ expecting to get robbed, coming home at night and finding 5 men trespassing on your property and not calling the police.
Classic.
Anyway, I’m outta here.
Keep up the ridiculoous antics Prof, you never fail to entertain.
I’m sure if you came home late at night to find 5 guys in white robes sitting in your driveway you would just get out and tell them to move but not everyone is a 260 pound mocha muscle mosaic that crushes hammer strength machines and eats 45lb bumper plates for breakfast :wink:

Just make sure you don’t profile those white robed men without first inspecting their teeth for bad flossing habits :)[/quote]

Not all white robed men hate black people. That would be profiling them. Which is wrong!

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

if he would have got out and got his ass stomped you would be calling him a dumbass. [/quote]

I didn’t say get out the car. I actually said quite the opposite. If you have to get out the car then you know there actually is a problem.

Notice how ASKING THEM TO MOVE is now the last option.

[quote]

what does handle your own business mean to you? [/quote]

It means at least try to act like a HUMAN BEING before assuming the worst about people. Calling the cops is what you do AFTER ASKING THEM TO MOVE and they say no or threaten you…not before just because people are standing there going to a near by house party.

[quote]
late at night, a group of guys on his property, nothing to raise his alert I guess. Just seems funny coming from you especially since you acted like everyone in the world is out to get you when you go pump gas at a station. [/quote]

How does this seem funny? I deal with shit like this a lot. That is life if you deal with a big city.

WTF?

This wouldn’t even register as a threat because there is way more shit than this happening most days.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

This wouldn’t even register as a threat because there is way more shit than this happening most days.[/quote]

Then you are delusional. There is way more shit than this happening most days. Just not on my property!

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I do love how X just assumed the guys were black when install didn’t even say anything about skin color. Talk about looking for a race issue when there isn’t one. Also, I find it ridiculous that X acts like minorities are the only ones who get treated unfairly. There was a post somewhere in here or the other Martin threads about a white cop who was shot by a young black male just for being white because the black guy was trying to get into a gang. That kind of shit is exactly why it is appropriate to be cautious like install was in his situation. The reality is that white people are subjected to harsh treatment for their skin color all the time. Just like blacks. Some here seem to be acting like that isn’t so.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

[/quote]

…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.

Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.

It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.

How did the cops come into this?
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I always thought trespassing on private property was a crime.

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It should also be noted that I was on foot. Not in a the car that APPARENTLY would have kept me safe. I also waited about 5 minutes at the end of the block to call the police. Did I know they were to attend a party. NOPE. I had no idea what their intentions were. I sure as hell wasn’t going to walk up and ask what their intentions were. Apparently that makes me a racist, asshole. Or a pussy.

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[quote]I AM INVINCIBLE wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]

A direct quote from you.

"I didn’t say that at all. I EXPECT for someone to attempt to rob me every single fucking time I leave the house. If it doesn’t happen, I don’t start cheering like I won the championship game. I just move on to expecting it again the next day.

That means, YES, at 3am at stop lights with no other cars on the road, my music gets turned down and I am looking all around me.

That means, YES, when at a fucking gas station at night, I am watching every single fucker who crosses in front of me.

What I don’t understand…are people who apparently do NOT think this way."

[/quote]

…and I wrote the same here…that I don’t go out expecting to AVOID issues. I EXPECT issues.

Seeing some guys standing in my yard is not a “call the cops” issue.

It is a man up and handle your own business issue unless a crime was actually being committed.

How did the cops come into this?
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I always thought trespassing on private property was a crime.
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Then the cop would have arrested them for this CRIME. He didn’t…apparently even after they “assaulted him” according to the poster.

Quite strange, no?

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[quote]installglass wrote:
Oh by the way. You have all assumed that they were black! Based on the clothing I described. PROFILING. I never said they were black. You assumed that based on clothing.[/quote]

That’s Internetist. Not all internet minds think the same. Nowhere did I say they were black why did you think I assumed they were black? My initial assumption is that they were actually the multicultural mix that typical Nickolodean channels have.