Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Seriously, calling the cops because men are standing there?

Really?
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Ya, what were you thinking?
Calling the cops because 5 men, who were thugs, were trespassing on your property at night.
What a pussy.[/quote]

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]
Did you read the part where they threaded to kick the police officers ass when he asked them to move?[/quote]

Uh…wouldn’t that be SEVERAL MINUTES OR EVEN HOURS after seeing them?

What made them thugs enough to call cops when he did NOT say anything to them before hand?[/quote]
Where there’s smoke theirs fire.
And lo and behold, when the cop showed up he found fire.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:
I didn’t feel safe and I made that judgement based on outward appearance.
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What exactly made you not feel safe?

They were at a house party near you, right?

What made you feel “not safe”?[/quote]
There were a group of loud strangers hanging out in his driveway late at night.
I think that’s cause enough to not feel 100% comfortable.[/quote]

You are justifying someone calling POLICE because people are STANDING THERE GOING TO A NEAR BY HOUSE PARTY instead of just asking them to move?

Wow.[/quote]
A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

Where there’s smoke theirs fire.
And lo and behold, when the cop showed up he found fire.[/quote]

Uh, possibly BECAUSE cops were called?

It was a move that would be perceived as racist by most minorities in that position. It sounds like they felt the same and voiced it.

I also wouldn’t take this man’s word on what they said word for word either considering he called POLICE before ever speaking to them himself.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.[/quote]

WTF?

If I am coming home and people are in my drive way, I either tell them to move or ask them.

the cops won’t have shit to do with it unless a FUCKING CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED.

Also, how far up “in his drive way”? At the corner near the next door neighbor’s party?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

Where there’s smoke theirs fire.
And lo and behold, when the cop showed up he found fire.[/quote]

Uh, possibly BECAUSE cops were called?

It was a move that would be perceived as racist by most minorities in that position. It sounds like they felt the same and voiced it.

I also wouldn’t take this man’s word on what they said word for word either considering he called POLICE before ever speaking to them himself.[/quote]
Playing the “us against the world” race card?
Figures.
Look, the guy came home late at night and found a group of strangers on his property and didn’t feel comfortable confronting them 1 on 5 so he called the police.
There is nothing wrong with that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.[/quote]

WTF?

If I am coming home and people are in my drive way, I either tell them to move or ask them.

the cops won’t have shit to do with it unless a FUCKING CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED.

Also, how far up “in his drive way”? At the corner near the next door neighbor’s party?[/quote]
A crime like trespassing?

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

Where there’s smoke theirs fire.
And lo and behold, when the cop showed up he found fire.[/quote]

Uh, possibly BECAUSE cops were called?

It was a move that would be perceived as racist by most minorities in that position. It sounds like they felt the same and voiced it.

I also wouldn’t take this man’s word on what they said word for word either considering he called POLICE before ever speaking to them himself.[/quote]
Playing the “us against the world” race card?
Figures.
Look, the guy came home late at night and found a group of strangers on his property and didn’t feel comfortable confronting them 1 on 5 so he called the police.
There is nothing wrong with that.[/quote]

It actually is wrong…considering his actions escalated the situation when all it apparently needed was a “hey guys, let me get in my drive way”.

he is the one who mentioned the house party…so they were not just there for no reason.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:
I called the police.
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LOL!!

Because there were people with sagging pants in your drive way just…standing there?

Dude, if the cops came in less than four hours, I am pissed off.

I am amazed at the society that thinks this is the proper behavior as opposed to, “excuse me…that’s my driveway!”.

Wow.

Yes, I do believe all of this falls in line with this topic.[/quote]

I’m done. It was a commentary on people profiling each other. You can think I’m an ass for being worried that the people in my driveway were people to be concerned about. As it turns out by the way. They were to attend a party down the road and decided that my driveway was ok to park in even though it wasn’t theirs. The police did arrive and when he asked them to move they threatened “kick his ass”. He eventually got them to leave but I’m fucking happy it wasn’t me that attempted it.
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Dude, I’m actually glad you had the nuts to explain this.

I don’t hate you for it or think you are “an ass”.

I think you are devoid of any cultural knowledge of the people you are judging though.

Seriously, calling the cops because men are standing there?

Really?

You would do the same if they were white and wearing college sweaters?

They responded that way BECAUSE YOU CALLED THE COPS.

I would be pissed if someone called the fucking cops on me for standing there also.[/quote]

No, I wouldn’t have done the same. It is my point. I didn’t feel safe and I made that judgement based on outward appearance.

They didn’t act that way because I called the cops. They acted that way because they were assholes.

I would not decide it’s ok to park in the driveway of a home that I have no ties to. If the police show up I don’t attempt to start an altercation with them. I would never threaten to hurt or injure anyone let alone a police officer who is asking me to vacate a property that I have no ties to.

And… Zimmerman should have stayed in his car?

I’m not saying he shouldn’t have. I’m saying the same people who say he should have stayed in the car are telling me to approach 5 people standing in my driveway. I’m not armed and outnumbered. Significantly.
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If they are on your property you have the right to complain, but if those same group of guys were walking from the party at the house to a car past yours would you have called?
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NO. But I wouldn’t approached them there either.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.[/quote]

WTF?

If I am coming home and people are in my drive way, I either tell them to move or ask them.

the cops won’t have shit to do with it unless a FUCKING CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED.

Also, how far up “in his drive way”? At the corner near the next door neighbor’s party?[/quote]
A crime like trespassing?[/quote]

You were there?

Where on his property were they for “trespassing” to be the charge yet the police NOT charge them with it?

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Seriously, calling the cops because men are standing there?

Really?
[/quote]
Ya, what were you thinking?
Calling the cops because 5 men, who were thugs, were trespassing on your property at night.
What a pussy.[/quote]

What made them thugs?

Could you explain this? They were at a house party and were standing in his drive way.

You ask them to move.

case solved.

i don’t see where the “thug” part came in or how you proved they were “thugs”.[/quote]
Did you read the part where they threaded to kick the police officers ass when he asked them to move?[/quote]

Uh…wouldn’t that be SEVERAL MINUTES OR EVEN HOURS after seeing them?

What made them thugs enough to call cops when he did NOT say anything to them before hand?[/quote]
Where there’s smoke theirs fire.
And lo and behold, when the cop showed up he found fire.[/quote]

Yeah but dont you know what happens when you call the police on them?

They get a stern talkin’ to! How dare you call the POLICE and put someone through that.

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[quote]installglass wrote:

NO. But I wouldn’t approached them there either.

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That’s you…and yes, I would call that a social issue.

If I go home today and see the same, calling the cops won’t even enter my mind. I find that extremely strange unless they were actually doing something criminal in nature.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.[/quote]

WTF?

If I am coming home and people are in my drive way, I either tell them to move or ask them.

the cops won’t have shit to do with it unless a FUCKING CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED.

Also, how far up “in his drive way”? At the corner near the next door neighbor’s party?[/quote]
A crime like trespassing?[/quote]

You were there?

Where on his property were they for “trespassing” to be the charge yet the police NOT charge them with it?[/quote]
Were you there?
You’re the one speculating on what would have could have should have happened and justifying the action of these thugs.
I’m going off of what exactly was presented.
LOL@ the not charging them thing, it’s so laughable I won’t even address it further but you know.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.[/quote]

WTF?

If I am coming home and people are in my drive way, I either tell them to move or ask them.

the cops won’t have shit to do with it unless a FUCKING CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED.

Also, how far up “in his drive way”? At the corner near the next door neighbor’s party?[/quote]

If they are parked in his driveway, hanging out in his driveway, its trespassing. Trespassing is a crime, therefor calling the cops is an appropriate reaction. Not saying its what i’d do, but you’re being ridiculous to fault the guy for doing so.

Also, how is this such a gross overreaction? Did these guys get arrested for no reason? Were they subjected to police brutality? No, they were told to move. Nothing severe happened. The guy who called the cops didnt have to risk an altercation, and everyone went on with their lives with only minor inconveniences.

How outrageous.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.[/quote]

WTF?

If I am coming home and people are in my drive way, I either tell them to move or ask them.

the cops won’t have shit to do with it unless a FUCKING CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED.

Also, how far up “in his drive way”? At the corner near the next door neighbor’s party?[/quote]
A crime like trespassing?[/quote]

You were there?

Where on his property were they for “trespassing” to be the charge yet the police NOT charge them with it?[/quote]
Were you there?
You’re the one speculating on what would have could have should have happened and justifying the action of these thugs.
I’m going off of what exactly was presented.
LOL@ the not charging them thing, it’s so laughable I won’t even address it further but you know.[/quote]

I’m the one asking questions.

if they were not arrested or charged with anything, how did you come up with “trespassing”? It sounded to me like they were at a neighbor’s house party but in his drive way…so you ask them to move.

Doing it his way has the potential to now create enemies with his neighbors also.

Smart move for fear.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.[/quote]

WTF?

If I am coming home and people are in my drive way, I either tell them to move or ask them.

the cops won’t have shit to do with it unless a FUCKING CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED.

Also, how far up “in his drive way”? At the corner near the next door neighbor’s party?[/quote]

They had parked in my driveway and gathered essentially on my front porch. No they weren’t on it but I couldn’t have gotten to it. Also lets be clear. The party was 1.5 blocks away. They just felt that since my driveway only had 1 car in it that they could use it.

What I’m doing is taking responsibility for having profiled them. I did not get out of my car and approach 5 people that I perceived as possibly being dangerous. I had nothing to defend myself if the situation got out of control.

How do I know that a crime isn’t being commited? Do I want to find by getting injured or worse?

I think if you would have approached them you would have had an issue. Based on the way situation played out. You are welcome to approach them. I didn’t and after the fact, I’m glad.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

Where there’s smoke theirs fire.
And lo and behold, when the cop showed up he found fire.[/quote]

Uh, possibly BECAUSE cops were called?

It was a move that would be perceived as racist by most minorities in that position. It sounds like they felt the same and voiced it.

I also wouldn’t take this man’s word on what they said word for word either considering he called POLICE before ever speaking to them himself.[/quote]
Playing the “us against the world” race card?
Figures.
Look, the guy came home late at night and found a group of strangers on his property and didn’t feel comfortable confronting them 1 on 5 so he called the police.
There is nothing wrong with that.[/quote]

It actually is wrong…considering his actions escalated the situation when all it apparently needed was a “hey guys, let me get in my drive way”.

he is the one who mentioned the house party…so they were not just there for no reason.[/quote]

Funny how the cop-caller is wrong for assuming police intervention was necessary, yet you are also assuming s simple “hey guys, let me get in my drive way” was all that was necessary.

Neither of you can say for sure or provide any evidence in favor of either side, there is no right or wrong answer here.

Surely you can imagine that in a situation with several ways to respond, not all will opt to go your route…

537

…and for the record, I seriously doubt the cops would be called if five white guys were standing in your drive way looking they were going to a nearby party.

I am still perplexed at calling police before ever saying anything to them…and then acting amazed that they were upset.

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[quote]installglass wrote:

I think if you would have approached them you would have had an issue. Based on the way situation played out. You are welcome to approach them. I didn’t and after the fact, I’m glad.
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That may be, but personally, I don’t walk out my door everyday expecting to AVOID “issues”.

Like I said, I am glad you mentioned it for discussion…but don’t throw a tissy if it actually becomes a discussion.

It is a prime example of exactly what we are discussing with the original thread topic.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.[/quote]

WTF?

If I am coming home and people are in my drive way, I either tell them to move or ask them.

the cops won’t have shit to do with it unless a FUCKING CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED.

Also, how far up “in his drive way”? At the corner near the next door neighbor’s party?[/quote]
A crime like trespassing?[/quote]

You were there?

Where on his property were they for “trespassing” to be the charge yet the police NOT charge them with it?[/quote]
Were you there?
You’re the one speculating on what would have could have should have happened and justifying the action of these thugs.
I’m going off of what exactly was presented.
LOL@ the not charging them thing, it’s so laughable I won’t even address it further but you know.[/quote]

I’m the one asking questions.

if they were not arrested or charged with anything, how did you come up with “trespassing”? It sounded to me like they were at a neighbor’s house party but in his drive way…so you ask them to move.

Doing it his way has the potential to now create enemies with his neighbors also.

Smart move for fear.[/quote]

You do realize the home owner can opt to not press any charges.

When i bounced at bars, every time someone got kicked out and refused to leave the sidewalk in front of our property, the cops would ask me if i wanted to charge em with trespassing. I always answered no, and they merely told them to leave. The only way the cops charged them with anything without asking us first was if the person then became resistant or combative towards the officer.

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[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

A group of men trespassing late at night is worthy of a call to the police.[/quote]

WTF?

If I am coming home and people are in my drive way, I either tell them to move or ask them.

the cops won’t have shit to do with it unless a FUCKING CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED.

Also, how far up “in his drive way”? At the corner near the next door neighbor’s party?[/quote]

They had parked in my driveway and gathered essentially on my front porch. No they weren’t on it but I couldn’t have gotten to it. Also lets be clear. The party was 1.5 blocks away. They just felt that since my driveway only had 1 car in it that they could use it.

What I’m doing is taking responsibility for having profiled them. I did not get out of my car and approach 5 people that I perceived as possibly being dangerous. I had nothing to defend myself if the situation got out of control.

How do I know that a crime isn’t being commited? Do I want to find by getting injured or worse?

I think if you would have approached them you would have had an issue. Based on the way situation played out. You are welcome to approach them. I didn’t and after the fact, I’m glad.
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Do you realize how incredible unreasonable you sound?

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