Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I’m sorry. Let me clarify.

My original opinion of the protest either at the end of the old thread or this one, was misinformed and wrong. I’ve read a few articles and a lot of the quotes I’m seeing are very reasonable. But none of those are the “black life is less important” line of thinking.

I think some of the protestors are misguided, but not all.

That said, I don’t intend to imply that they shouldn’t be protests for Martin if there aren’t for some innocent teen in Chicago. What I’m trying to say is, if the Martin life means this much, so does the other, and there should be national attention, to the same degree, for the other senseless murders.

And I think the reason the inner-city violence is ignored to a large degree is society in general just doesn’t give to single fucks about poor people. It isn’t like trailer park violence gets any national play outside of “cops” TV show either. We just don’t care on a large enough scale. [/quote]

All right. I hear ya. Then who would you blame for the lack of attention? The black community? The funds the community lacks in order to get help bringing cases out? Or the media?

Now I would like to let you know, that the black community is trying its best with black on black crime.

People won’t know about it if they are always following mainstream media, and, if they don’t know any black people who are aware of black organizations that deal with black on black crime, they won’t have a fucking clue.

People who bring the BOB issue up, what have they done about it? Do they know the names of organizations that deal with it? The cities and places their meetings take place? Do they go to their meetings? The name of people working for those organizations? Nope. But it is just too easy for some, to bring the black on black crime as if it negates the outrage for the injustice the killing of TM has been. That’s truly sickening.

Black people have been helping their own for years. People just don’t know that and, they never fucking cared.

Here are the names of a few organizations that deal with Black on black crime; Cease Fire, Peace in the Streets, Mission District, Unity One, Stop the Violence, YouthSpeak, Urban Peace Movement, Gun down Stop the violence… There hundreds and hundreds more, and if people were bothered to fucking do their research, they’d have an idea of what are those groups up to.

The media will never make a big deal about this either. You will see a TV crew in a poor black area when a shooting has happened, but never ever when associations conduct events and gathering to fight against black on black violence.

Bringing up that Black on Black crime as a deflection to negate a tragic event and, make it seem as if Black Americans don’t give a shit about their own is fucking pathetic. Let the black people protest about injustice. Don’t be fucking outraged.

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No one here cares for that matter the whole nation. BOB crime has rallys for stop the violence all the time in most cities its not national news becuase no one cares its just not sexy enough. Which = a news story with few viewers. The media will allways pump the extreme storys becuase it brings viewers and viewers spike ratings and ratings brings advertisiers. Advertisiers are the life blood of media. If you want non biased news thats not driven by $$ you are shit out of luck in this country. As far as BOB crime goes lets be honest if the majority of white people were concerned dont you think their would be more community involvement on a local level? Just to prove my point drive down to the next “Stop the violence” event which will most likely be in the innercity. Count how many concerned white faces you see.
BOB crime is largley looked at as a “black” problem. With little help from outside communities. Becuase the teens dying everyday are not “our” children its “their” children

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

What makes Trayvon a thug or a piece of shit? Prior to his conflict with Zimm how was he a thug?[/quote]

And bear in mind how they blatantly ignore the fact that Zims was the one with a criminal record, the one who had been arrested for assault on a police officer, for beating on patrons when he was a bouncer, for beating on his ex gf, and, he was the one who allegedly molested his young cousin.

But nah… that is just too sweet compared to a young black boy who smoke weed, had a fight at school and got suspended for it, and flipped his finger and played gangsta on webcams.

Zimcunt is a fucking saint, with no history of violence. Trayvon was the fucking thug.

Notice how Zimcunt’s violent past was strategically taken out of the trial. But it was Trayvon Martin who was on trial from day one.[/quote]

Sure why would anyone want to look at that he a upstanding citizen just helping keep his neighborhood clean. Im so glad you guys showed me Travons dangerouse past. A small time weed dealing teen in the burbs that gets in fights with other teens. I gues we should be glad black scar face is off the streets. I agree Martins no saint but he did’nt deserve to be stalked and hunted like a animal and he sure as shit didnt desrve to die. Why noone feels Zimm is responsible for the altercation when police told him to stand down is beyond me…Anyhow its clear the fox news crowd will never get it. I feel sorry you have to live in FL its a shitty law and I agree with you stand your ground = lynching It will soon also = justifiable homicides. Im somewhat relieved I dont have to raise my black son there. Becuase its clear to me now hip hop culture = thug & Thug =
You’d better buy yourself a lifetime supply of kakis and button shirts but make sure your kakis are nice and snug. I quess thats the correct dress code for Florida. Also try to stay in your home after dark just to be safe.[/quote]

The dispatcher told him not to follow Trayvon Martin, at which point Mr. Zimmerman replied “ok”. Also, you are not legally obliged to listen to a dispatcher. The point about Trayvon Martin’s past is not that he was going to be the Al Capone, but that it showed that given his behaviour, he was the most likely to initiate any sort of physical conflict.

http://www.bondaction.org/content/article/37076/Black%20Racism%20Killed%20Trayvon[/quote]

I agree he was a dumb ass teen but given the fact the dispacher told him to stand down and he did not a altercation insued and dealy force got used. Sure he’s not leggaly obligated but that was the profesional instruction from real trained pros who were on their way. Even though a fight happened as far as anyone can tell he was just getting pop and candy.
But what about Zimms history? He had some strange skeletons with the girlfriend beating thing, problems as a bouncer, and suposedly touched a kid… Also why would a guy with some MMA training, & a ex bouncer have that much trouble with a skinny untrained 17yr old? He said " thes mo fo’s always get away" is it really that hard to believe he had a hard on for young blacks and he saw this as his chance to nab the neighboorhood thief. And that no matter what anyone says hes gonna get his guy. The reason I think Zim should have got Manslaugher is this… If me and you were out drinking and you told me not to drive a cab is on the way and I did anyhow. Resulting in causing a fatal accident and got time for vehicular manslaughter most people would hear that and say… If he would have listened to reason no one would have died. In Zimms case he did not listen to reason and put himself in a situation that could have been avoided. The end result the death of a teen. Had Zimm went home watched tv and let the cops do their job they would have stopped Martin questioned him and sent him home or made an arrest. So IMO becuase of Zimms bad decission to stand down a death was the end result he shares in the liability for that.

Why don’t cases like these get the same media attention

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Why don’t cases like these get the same media attention

How fucking dear you.

Don’t you know that if it wasn’t for whitey holdin them down shit like this would never happen. You’re a racist pig…

Am I doing it right?

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

lol. “the prosecution would not have failed had the kid been white.”

So if Trayvon was white, the prosecution would have proved Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon? (even though ALL of the forensic evidence, which is impartial btw, shows otherwise.) If Trayvon was white, the prosecution would have proved that it was his voice on the 911 call? (even though one the the black residents in the neighborhood testified that it was Zimmermans.) If Trayvon was white there would not have been blood on Zimmermans nose and back of his head? (even though the pictures show otherwise.)

Sorry man, race was not a factor in this case. However, the overwhelming evidence showing Zimmerman was not guilty was.[/quote]

Okay, let’s use this hypothetical scenario:

  • a lanky white teen was walking in a strange neighborhood, snacking on junk food, talking to a friend on his cell phone. He’s a good kid – according to one of his teachers, ‘‘an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness’’. But he’s not above making the foolish teenage mistake of getting caught with an empty bags of MaryJ, or fighting and being suspended. But he has no criminal record. The worst anyone can say about him is that he smokes some pot, which puts him in the company of nearly half of all American high school students, something more than half of all American adults would legalize. But he’s a good student and has no criminal record. In other words, he’s a pretty typical teenager. A good kid.

  • A large black man stepped out of an SUV, started following him, frightened him, and shot him dead.

Now Imagine the reaction.

Now, suppose we find out that the motherfucker who killed that teen had a history of race-based paranoia. Suppose we find out that the teen’s killer’s neighbours had complained of his aggressive behaviour. Suppose we find out that the teen’s killer had once been arrested for ‘‘resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer.’’ Suppose we find out that the teen’s killer that night had ignored a police dispatcher who had told him to stop following the teen. And suppose that after all that, the much larger black man who had stepped out of an SUV, started following the white teen, had ended up shooting the white teen dead.

What would have been the response?

-Would the local state attorney and police chief have overruled even the lead homicide investigator, who recommended that the killer be charged with manslaughter? Would the police have neglected even to give the killer a routine drug and alcohol test? Would the police have neglected to contact whomever the kid was talking to on the phone just moments before he was shot, ignored the witnesses who contradicted the killer’s story, and later reported that the killer had been bloodied in a confrontation with the dead teen, even though the real time reports suggested no such thing, and even though the police surveillance video shows the killer had no discernible wounds or discomfort, and even though the funeral director who prepared the dead teen’s body for burial says there was no evidence he had been in a fight?

It defies credulity to think the killer’s behaviour would be dismissed, making despicable excuses such as blaming the kid’s clothing, or if – unthinkable in this scenario, there had been no criminal charges filed against the killer, dismissing the story altogether.

Had Trayvon Martin been white and George Zimmerman black, Zimmerman would be headed for death row. White Trayvon would have been hailed as a martyr who would have stood his ground against a dangerous predator.

This was a racist killing, with a racist cover-up.[/quote]

If the Black man was bloodied and showed signs of getting his ass kicked and said the teen attacked him so be it. I firmly believe in a persons right to defend their person. From my view I have a hard time liking Trayvons persona after having heard about the trouble he had been in, how he got expelled( or suspended or something) And his mom fed up with his bullshit shipped him down to live with his Dad cause she couldn’t handle his ass no more. To me that reeks of him being a disrespectful punk, I would feel the same way about a white teen with that background.

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]WW3General wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

Thats the big picture that what everyone is missing. Probably becuase they arent ethnic or have ethnic kids. But in a nutshell as the father of a black kid its troubling to me. So in my gated comunity I should fear my son being harassed by a non-police officer with a gun. Worst of all my best advice I can give him is stand still if someone approaches with a gun just freeze and be nice. [/quote]

Well, tell your son that if he attacks a person to take him or her out quickly so if they have a gun on them they have no time to kill him. Also, if someone approaches your son and they are brandishing a gun I would tell him to scream and run like a fool all at once. The thing is most people carrying guns,people won’t ever know until it is too late. Everybody I know with a concealed carry makes sure to have it hidden so no one knows.[/quote]

Your missing the big picture which shows your level of racisism or at the least your racial bias. I shouldnt have to teach him anything. He should be allowed to wear what he wants listen to what he wants and not have to go through survival training just to buy some fucking candy. So does the whole “run like a fool and scream” thing apply to all kids or just those of color?

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You really don’t think you should teach your son survival? Fuck yeah the scream and run thing is for everyone if someone is walking up to you with a gun out. Running makes it harder to hit you if he shoots screaming draws attention to whats going on making him less likely to run you down and shoot you. The screaming helps more if people are around but if you are not sure anyone is around do it anyway just in case. I live in a rural area and my parents taught me survival tips and methods of staying safe. It is amazing to me that you think teaching your son stuff like that is a bad thing. Not everything is about race there are always cock suckers out there that will try to hurt others. I mean I am sure you would tell your child not to get into a car with a stranger, why shouldn’t he know what to do if someone is following him, or if people are trying to talk him into doing something stupid that could put his life at risk(robbing a store or attacking someone).

so? what was the answer?

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:

Im not saying everyone with a hoodie = robbery/criminal/etc
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Not everyone who wears a hoodie is a bad guy. [/quote]

not even funny.
just trying to stay in things

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

LOL!

I’d swear you were trying to be this blind on purpose, its just too funny. You literally had me laughing at the first sentence.

You see that? In the sky? Way up there? Like a bird, or maybe a plane? Its the point, and its waaaaay over your head. All the way up there. Maybe if you squint your eyes…ah just forget about it.

Waittz, im gonna say 786. [/quote]

Why

Of course you laughed. You couldn’t argue any of my points. I just had to show you that your race is no better than what you accused blacks of. And since you have no counter argument, pff, your motherfucker ass has just to laugh. Lololol.

Shame you didn’t choke when you did.

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Thats the beauty of message boards…if something’s over your head you can go back and read what i wrote again and again, i dont have to spell it out for you…

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why are you talking to him? DarkNinkja is a company guy

Was there supposed to be a trial?
Or was everyone caving?

Love Nike, have you been drinking?

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

I agree he was a dumb ass teen but given[/quote]

You ask a question, I answer it with proof and facts and then you turn around and say “ya but”. Ya but nothing. The issue is about who instigated the fight. Very high probability that Trayvon Martin started it. Whether Mr. Zimmerman was break dancing or speaking in tongues, it did not give Trayvon Martin a reason to start attacking the guy.

Mr. Zimmerman said “ok” when the dispatcher said “we don’t need you to do that”. Mr. Zimmerman even says that Trayvon Martin ran away. If you listen to the recording of the call made by Mr. Zimmerman to report Trayvon Martin, from the moment he says “he ran away” until the call ends, over 2 minutes have passed. How is it that Trayvon Martin was not home by then?

So? Not legally obliged. The puck stops there.

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:Even though a fight happened as far as anyone can tell he was just getting pop and candy.
But what about Zimms history? He had some strange skeletons with the girlfriend beating thing, problems as a bouncer, and suposedly touched a kid…[/quote]

I have never heard of him touching a kid, ever. Nor does that lend any credence to anything? What if he had touched a kid? Does that prove he was more likely to start a fight? Just sounds like mud slinging to me. Concerning his past, though:

“n 2005, at the age of 21, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, after shoving an officer while a friend of Zimmerman’s was being questioned about underage drinking. The charges were reduced, then dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. Also in 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancée filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted.[32][43] The incidents were raised by prosecutors at Zimmerman’s initial bond hearing. The judge described the incidents as “run of the mill” and “somewhat mild” and rejected the prosecution’s claim that the incidents demonstrated that Zimmerman was violent or a threat to the community.[32][44][45]”

From George Zimmerman - Wikipedia

He pushed an officer and resisted arrest, which is no big deal. Also in 2005, he had issues with an ex-fiancee. He was 21 when all of that happened. When the Trayvon Martin incident happened, he was 28. You mean to tell me you’re gonna hold something he did 7 years ago against him. Other than that, his record is clean.

Some MMA training means nothing. Supposedly Trayvon Martin trained in boxing. In any case it doesn’t matter. A 17 year old, standing at 5"11, full of piss and vinegar used to “street fighting” is gonna beat a 185 pound, 5"7 man who lives a calm life. At 17 years old, he’s a stone’s throw from being an adult. It’s also about escalation of violence. If Trayvon Martin went from 0 to 60 in a second, and Mr. Zimmerman was just looking to talk or whatever, then Mr. Zimmerman would have been unable to respond well.

Yes, these mofos being the guys who are thieving and breaking in to people’s homes. You are assuming he meant young, black males.

Yes, it is. How was he gonna nab him, exactly? Worst case, he was probably checking to see if the guy was still snooping between houses.

Apples and oranges. Driving drunk is illegal. Following someone shady, when your neighbour has had a lot of break ins recently is not illegal. Crashing your car and causing a death is your fault. Having someone jump you is not your fault. There are steps to take when someone follows you. Calling the police, calling your father who is a few dozen feet away, etc. So many possibilities. Yet in the 4 minutes between Trayvon Martin running away and the gunshot dozens of feet from his house, how was it that Trayvon Martin found himself in such a mess? How did an out of shape man some how catch up to a young kid?

I dunno where you live, but if some shit is going down in my neighbourhood, and I care about my neighbours and my neighbourhood, I will make sure things are ok. Maybe you like to look the other way, and be a coward, but that is your prerogative. Mr. Zimmerman did not make a bad decision. There is nothing wrong with trying to identify a potential criminal, and making sure his whereabouts are known. The bad decision was for Trayvon Martin to attack Mr. Zimmerman, which he had no legal right to do, because it turns out that Mr. Zimmerman was, rightfully, packing, and defended himself completely within the confines of the law.

No matter which way I read your posts, it seems you always attribute the fault to Mr. Zimmerman, because Mr. Zimmerman wanted to make sure that things were ok. He was just being a good neighbour, and in some ways it was his job. There is nothing wrong with that. Just because someone is trying to do a good deed, meet a thug and bad shit goes down does not suddenly change it in to Mr. Zimmerman’s fault. If Trayvon Martin had not attacked Mr. Zimmerman, then Mr. Zimmerman would have had no need to defend himself. Skiddles, following people, dispatchers, etc…all of that is irrelevant. Trayvon got aggressive, and that is the only reason he is dead.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]enigma666 wrote:

And on top of that it is not even the “ACTORS” opinion, it was in a movie script… did you just wake up or some thing or is understanding not your strong suit?[/quote]

You added this late.

You guys type slow.

It doesn’t matter. It was posted here as if who said it held some weight at all.

It doesn’t matter if it is the whole last scene of The Passion Of The Christ.

This is a hot debate that doesn’t need the input of the average “Hollywood Star” added in for weight.[/quote]

Only person I can trust to lay it down like it actually is. Thanks Prof X

[quote]Scotto wrote:

[quote]SickSex6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SickSex6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]

I did give my opinion on this case.

Is my writing too eclectic to follow?[/quote]

“Should i type slower?”

“Do you want me to write that in crayon?”

I love you Professor. [/quote]

Hey, I write responses and people can’t seem to follow what I write.

Plus, I have tons of crayons.[/quote]

What did you just type? Im so lost.

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Laughed until my eyes peed on my face

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]SickSex6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SickSex6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]

I did give my opinion on this case.

Is my writing too eclectic to follow?[/quote]

“Should i type slower?”

“Do you want me to write that in crayon?”

I love you Professor. [/quote]

Hey, I write responses and people can’t seem to follow what I write.

Plus, I have tons of crayons.[/quote]

What did you just type? Im so lost.

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If I take what was written in his post, I would have to make assumptions about what his opinion is. The verdict ‘stands firm’ says nothing about if he agrees with the verdict or not.

Now, reading his post I could come to the conclusion that he agrees with the verdict. But, that would be an assumption on my part.

Keep trolling strong son

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Wgat are you talking about? I just pointed out how i find the was X responds funny. I wasnt talking to or about you at all.

Keep being defensive mang

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Anyhow its clear the fox news crowd will never get it. [/quote]

I am very unsurprised at finding this statement from someone who can’t make a single post without poisoning the well.

Do you understand that parroting this stale and inaccurate lefty talking point makes you the very thing you are to put down, bully into silence through ridicule?

You would not be Alinsky’s favorite student.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit like Zims acquittal happens for a reason. Trayvon is dead. Yeap. There is no bringing him back. But his death does not have to be in vain. This unfortunate incident will perhaps be the catalyst to get people in correcting inequities in the judicial system.

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Shouldn’t it be the catalyst for:

  1. Ending 50% High School drop out rates by black American males in inner cities (ie the ghettos)
  2. Encouraging thug/gangsta life styles in young blacks
  3. Encouraging respect for positions of authority

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit like Zims acquittal happens for a reason. Trayvon is dead. Yeap. There is no bringing him back. But his death does not have to be in vain. This unfortunate incident will perhaps be the catalyst to get people in correcting inequities in the judicial system.

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Shouldn’t it be the catalyst for:

  1. Ending 50% High School drop out rates by black American males in inner cities (ie the ghettos)
  2. Encouraging thug/gangsta life styles in young blacks
  3. Encouraging respect for positions of authority
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LOL.

Cant wait to see the responses to this.

You racist.

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit like Zims acquittal happens for a reason. Trayvon is dead. Yeap. There is no bringing him back. But his death does not have to be in vain. This unfortunate incident will perhaps be the catalyst to get people in correcting inequities in the judicial system.

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Shouldn’t it be the catalyst for:

  1. Ending 50% High School drop out rates by black American males in inner cities (ie the ghettos)
  2. Encouraging thug/gangsta life styles in young blacks
  3. Encouraging respect for positions of authority
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These ideas are great. (assuming you mean discourage thug/gangsta lifestyle). The problem the people that perpetuate these things are the parents and they need to be educated themselves. I live in a city with a fairly large “ghetto” area. Grew up in it and have watched many people from it end up in prison or dead. The majority of this stems back to parents that don’t care or aren’t prepared to be parents. I made it out of a very bad situation. Only because I had someone in my life to help direct me away from that shit. Your ideas are great but are going to require a re-education of 1/4 of our population. This is not a big enough catalyst. I’m not sure there is anything that would be big enough. You can’t change a mentality. I wish it were possible but I just don’t see it. This comes from more personal experience than I care to share.

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit like Zims acquittal happens for a reason. Trayvon is dead. Yeap. There is no bringing him back. But his death does not have to be in vain. This unfortunate incident will perhaps be the catalyst to get people in correcting inequities in the judicial system.

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Shouldn’t it be the catalyst for:

  1. Ending 50% High School drop out rates by black American males in inner cities (ie the ghettos)

  2. Encouraging thug/gangsta life styles in young blacks

  3. Encouraging respect for positions of authority
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  4. please show link that supports 50% drop out rates. As for the “ghetto”, he was walking home to his moms house
    in a “gated” community. Hardly ghetto

  5. thug? So the unarmed black kid with skittles and a hoody is a thug but not the guy driving
    a beat up caprice classic and carrying a glock 9? Lol

  6. respect for authority? It’s George who has been arrested for assaulting a police officer. Not trayvon. It’s
    George who disobeyed the dispatcher when told not to follow trayvon.