Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit like Zims acquittal happens for a reason. Trayvon is dead. Yeap. There is no bringing him back. But his death does not have to be in vain. This unfortunate incident will perhaps be the catalyst to get people in correcting inequities in the judicial system.

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Shouldn’t it be the catalyst for:

  1. Ending 50% High School drop out rates by black American males in inner cities (ie the ghettos)
  2. Encouraging thug/gangsta life styles in young blacks
  3. Encouraging respect for positions of authority
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These ideas are great. (assuming you mean discourage thug/gangsta lifestyle). The problem the people that perpetuate these things are the parents and they need to be educated themselves. I live in a city with a fairly large “ghetto” area. Grew up in it and have watched many people from it end up in prison or dead. The majority of this stems back to parents that don’t care or aren’t prepared to be parents. I made it out of a very bad situation. Only because I had someone in my life to help direct me away from that shit. Your ideas are great but are going to require a re-education of 1/4 of our population. This is not a big enough catalyst. I’m not sure there is anything that would be big enough. You can’t change a mentality. I wish it were possible but I just don’t see it. This comes from more personal experience than I care to share.
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I would up that 1/4 figure. The “trailer park” areas of the country put out some serious degenerates.

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit like Zims acquittal happens for a reason. Trayvon is dead. Yeap. There is no bringing him back. But his death does not have to be in vain. This unfortunate incident will perhaps be the catalyst to get people in correcting inequities in the judicial system.

[/quote]

Shouldn’t it be the catalyst for:

  1. Ending 50% High School drop out rates by black American males in inner cities (ie the ghettos)

  2. Encouraging thug/gangsta life styles in young blacks

  3. Encouraging respect for positions of authority
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  4. please show link that supports 50% drop out rates. As for the “ghetto”, he was walking home to his moms house
    in a “gated” community. Hardly ghetto

  5. thug? So the unarmed black kid with skittles and a hoody is a thug but not the guy driving
    a beat up caprice classic and carrying a glock 9? Lol

  6. respect for authority? It’s George who has been arrested for assaulting a police officer. Not trayvon. It’s
    George who disobeyed the dispatcher when told not to follow trayvon.
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It’s about 34% in Bmore, “Baltimore school officials said that while the city’s four-year graduation rate remained flat at 66 percent in 2012,”

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-02-11/news/bs-md-graduation-rate-20130211_1_dropout-rate-graduation-rate-graduation-numbers

As far as 2 & 3, I think Sen Say was talking in generalities not about Martin.

Also what authority does a dispatcher have?

Shouldn’t it be the catalyst for:

  1. Ending 50% High School drop out rates by black American males in inner cities (ie the ghettos)
  2. Encouraging thug/gangsta life styles in young blacks
  3. Encouraging respect for positions of authority

These are great ideals but they would needed to be reworded and approached differently.

It does suck that after this people on both sides of races see this as separation and that “we need to fix the black community.” Who does? The gov? They are the ones who fucked it from the get go (im not yelling by the way, just using language).

Agreed with number one. But education in general and all its encompassing factors sucks and needs to be fixed throughout the ENTIRE fucking country. We blow at education, like, really bad. Is it tough most particularly in inner cities? Fuck yes. Go visit an inner city school: you wouldn’t know where to start.

My exs mom taught inner city Philly, she had a student (2nd grade btw) whos mom would lock him in a basement in the dark with rats. Kids like 5 with PTSD, already doesn’t give a fuck about anything other than survival.

Think its only black parents? Negative, go to the country. I taught out in rural PA, theyre fucked too. High school aint important because they are going to live and die on the farm. And you better believe their values towards society are the same as 60 years ago. I tried to teach them to eat better, better nutrition, I was written up and almost fired, just for saying cut out processed shit foods.

Education isn’t important because there is no survival skill attached for inner city, no value for it, and no placement. I know a lot of people who have “made it.” But people are right, there is no one really encouraging them to make it.

With this also comes the ideology that “blacks” should act white. That’s their culture, their system, their own. Who the fuck are we to walk in and say “nope, youre doing that wrong.” Youre talking about a group of people who had their identities stripped and then reconformed. Mostly likely that culture is still trying to find that culture Identity. But if it doesn’t fit white ideals, its no good. Same with Native AMericans, stripped and rebuilt. They aint doing so well either.

Encouraging a better lifestyle is encouraging to conform. Their role models, fucking blow, imo. We can quote statistics that listening to Lil Wayne = a lower IQ but its not going to help. Before it was: educator, rapper, movie star, athlete, now we can add president. But these are few and far between. Problem is rapper, movie start and athletes can still get away with some shady fucking pasts. White role models are no different really though, we don’t have too many good ones either. But we do look at our nearest surroundings, our parents. We model all of our behaviors during the 1st 6 years of our lives.

Respect for authority is tough. Im not black and I don’t get a long with that shit. its tough to respect something that mistreats you. I have a lot of problems with gov and rules and regulations. I have more of a hippy mindset though. But to tell a culture: no follow our rules, we know how its done: that has they history they have, id be telling you to fuck yourself too.

I still LOL @ people bringing up what the dispatcher says.
Not listening to the dispatcher is the same thing is ignoring a phone operator when they say “please hold.”

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]SickSex6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SickSex6 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]

I did give my opinion on this case.

Is my writing too eclectic to follow?[/quote]

“Should i type slower?”

“Do you want me to write that in crayon?”

I love you Professor. [/quote]

Hey, I write responses and people can’t seem to follow what I write.

Plus, I have tons of crayons.[/quote]

What did you just type? Im so lost.

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If I take what was written in his post, I would have to make assumptions about what his opinion is. The verdict ‘stands firm’ says nothing about if he agrees with the verdict or not.

Now, reading his post I could come to the conclusion that he agrees with the verdict. But, that would be an assumption on my part.

Keep trolling strong son

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Don’t you ride a motorcycle?

Look, riders aren’t supposed to be this uptight. Please return your ‘ride or die’ card if you can not tone that down.

I think this whole court room saga is worthy of a sit com. I don’t even watch the news but apparently even Precious showed up for the proceedings. Hope they had cake.

Look, I wrote all of this before…in words that apparently are way too insane to follow.

What he was tried on and the evidence provided seems to allow the verdict.

I don’t have to personally agree with it nor would I unless I had ALL info in front of me like that jury.

I didn’t.

I was a casual bystander who watches brief news bits.

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
I still LOL @ people bringing up what the dispatcher says.
Not listening to the dispatcher is the same thing is ignoring a phone operator when they say “please hold.”[/quote]
Heh, that’s true I never really even thought about that. Police dispatchers are just civilians with none of the legal powers granted to the police.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think this whole court room saga is worthy of a sit com. I don’t even watch the news but apparently even Precious showed up for the proceedings. Hope they had cake.

Look, I wrote all of this before…in words that apparently are way too insane to follow.

What he was tried on and the evidence provided seems to allow the verdict.

I don’t have to personally agree with it nor would I unless I had ALL info in front of me like that jury.

I didn’t.

I was a casual by stander who watches briefs news bits.[/quote]
If I could post that clapping gif I totally would.
Well said.
I laughed at the Precious comment.
I loved her in The Blind Side.

Lol Baltimore? Great example. Guess they represent all of Americas inne cities. And yes, sen was talking generalities. Just like George when he says “these f’n a-holes always get away” to dispatcher. As for authority? A police dispatcher has more than a neighborhood WATCH volunteer.

That’s what they do, watch and report. Not follow and shoot. There’s a reason George was denied admission to two different police academies. One in Florida and one in Virginia.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit like Zims acquittal happens for a reason. Trayvon is dead. Yeap. There is no bringing him back. But his death does not have to be in vain. This unfortunate incident will perhaps be the catalyst to get people in correcting inequities in the judicial system.

[/quote]

Shouldn’t it be the catalyst for:

  1. Ending 50% High School drop out rates by black American males in inner cities (ie the ghettos)
  2. Encouraging thug/gangsta life styles in young blacks
  3. Encouraging respect for positions of authority
    [/quote]

These ideas are great. (assuming you mean discourage thug/gangsta lifestyle). The problem the people that perpetuate these things are the parents and they need to be educated themselves. I live in a city with a fairly large “ghetto” area. Grew up in it and have watched many people from it end up in prison or dead. The majority of this stems back to parents that don’t care or aren’t prepared to be parents. I made it out of a very bad situation. Only because I had someone in my life to help direct me away from that shit. Your ideas are great but are going to require a re-education of 1/4 of our population. This is not a big enough catalyst. I’m not sure there is anything that would be big enough. You can’t change a mentality. I wish it were possible but I just don’t see it. This comes from more personal experience than I care to share.
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I would up that 1/4 figure. The “trailer park” areas of the country put out some serious degenerates. [/quote]

You are probably correct. I was just throwing out a rough number. The number could be significantly higher.

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
I still LOL @ people bringing up what the dispatcher says.
Not listening to the dispatcher is the same thing is ignoring a phone operator when they say “please hold.”[/quote]

What authority does a neighborhood watch person have? Except to watch and report. Ignoring a NW guy is like ignoring a hall monitor in school. Actually I might even give the edge to the HM.

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:
A police dispatcher has more than a neighborhood WATCH volunteer.
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Actually they don’t. Neither one is legally empowered to any greater degree than the other. Listen there are a lot of other avenues to pursue for people unhappy with the verdict. This is a pretty weak one.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:
A police dispatcher has more than a neighborhood WATCH volunteer.
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Actually they don’t. Neither one is legally empowered to any greater degree than the other. Listen there are a lot of other avenues to pursue for people unhappy with the verdict. This is a pretty weak one.[/quote]

From a legal standpoint. Fine. But if you were in the middle of what you perceive to be a illegal act, would you rather take direction from a poice dispatcher or a neighborhood volunteer? As for other avenues, that makes no sense. Why on earth would I come to a thread about trayvon Martin to talk about trayvon? Really? You do know you can just as easily move on to another thread instead of reading this. Jus sayin.

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:
A police dispatcher has more than a neighborhood WATCH volunteer.

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Others have said it, but police dispatchers have zero authority. Dispatchers are not sworn officers, and have zero training in state or federal laws. THe job of the Dispatcher is to get information that is relevant to the call, any interaction beyond that is to cover the ass of the police department. If for example your daughter is in the other room getting raped a dispatchers advice wont be much different from what they told Zimmerman, don’t do anything. This is due to anything the dispatcher tells you, the city,or county may be liable for during a civil suit.

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:
As for other avenues, that makes no sense. Why on earth would I come to a thread about trayvon Martin to talk about trayvon? Really? You do know you can just as easily move on to another thread instead of reading this. Jus sayin.[/quote]
You are not understanding what I am saying to you.

Pursuing different avenues of Zimmerman’s misdoings would include things like the scream on the 911 call or his very minor injuries or the changes in his testimony. The disobeying the dispatcher thing is one of your weakest arguments imo.

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:
A police dispatcher has more than a neighborhood WATCH volunteer.

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Others have said it, but police dispatchers have zero authority. Dispatchers are not sworn officers, and have zero training in state or federal laws. THe job of the Dispatcher is to get information that is relevant to the call, any interaction beyond that is to cover the ass of the police department. If for example your daughter is in the other room getting raped a dispatchers advice wont be much different from what they told Zimmerman, don’t do anything. This is due to anything the dispatcher tells you, the city,or county may be liable for during a civil suit.[/quote]

Again, from a legality perspective, I understand that. Just wondering from a legality standpoint, what authority does my neighbor have who is a citizen just like me but sees something he perceives as suspicious? I’ve have been to neighbrhood watch meetings because of my young children. Never have told anyone to approach and question suspicious activity. Watch and report. But some act as though Zimmerman had the “authority” to do so as a volunteer watchman.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:
As for other avenues, that makes no sense. Why on earth would I come to a thread about trayvon Martin to talk about trayvon? Really? You do know you can just as easily move on to another thread instead of reading this. Jus sayin.[/quote]
You are not understanding what I am saying to you.

Pursuing different avenues of Zimmerman’s misdoings would include things like the scream on the 911 call or his very minor injuries or the changes in his testimony. The disobeying the dispatcher thing is one of your weakest arguments imo.[/quote]

actually I wasn’t arguing, I was just responding to the whole “who had authority” issue. As for pursuing zimmerman, that’s a wrap. Double jeopardy won’t all it. Can only go civil route at this point I think. I agree with you if someone thinks the dispatcher issue proves or disproved guilt.

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:
Lol Baltimore? Great example. Guess they represent all of Americas inne cities. [/quote]

What’s wrong with this example? Should I use a city I’m not familiar with?

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And yes, sen was talking generalities. Just like George when he says “these f’n a-holes always get away” to dispatcher. [/quote]

I actually think Sen Say wa sbeing less general, but whatever.

Which is what, zero?

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That’s what they do, watch and report. Not follow and shoot. There’s a reason George was denied admission to two different police academies. One in Florida and one in Virginia.[/quote]

He didn’t follow and shoot. He only shot after his face was being beaten in. What does his job status have to do with anything?

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:
A police dispatcher has more than a neighborhood WATCH volunteer.

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Others have said it, but police dispatchers have zero authority. Dispatchers are not sworn officers, and have zero training in state or federal laws. THe job of the Dispatcher is to get information that is relevant to the call, any interaction beyond that is to cover the ass of the police department. If for example your daughter is in the other room getting raped a dispatchers advice wont be much different from what they told Zimmerman, don’t do anything. This is due to anything the dispatcher tells you, the city,or county may be liable for during a civil suit.[/quote]

Thank you … And all those begging this dispatcher nonsense to be put to bed.

The average citizen listening to a police scanner knows about as much as a dispatcher about actual street police work - dispatchers have no authority to order anyone to do anything, and Zimmerman not listening to the dispatchers “suggestion” is a non issue. Would it have avoided the resultant confrontation if he did listen? Probably. Is he criminally negligent for not complying? No.

It would be different is a uniformed officer on the scene told Zimmerman not to approach Martin or walk towards an area where Martin was thought to be.

The bottom line here is Martin brought his fists to what turned out to be a gunfight.

I’ve always thought that if we were all required to carry swords, people would be a lot nicer to each other …

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]Cover_corner wrote:
A police dispatcher has more than a neighborhood WATCH volunteer.

[/quote]

Others have said it, but police dispatchers have zero authority. Dispatchers are not sworn officers, and have zero training in state or federal laws. THe job of the Dispatcher is to get information that is relevant to the call, any interaction beyond that is to cover the ass of the police department. If for example your daughter is in the other room getting raped a dispatchers advice wont be much different from what they told Zimmerman, don’t do anything. This is due to anything the dispatcher tells you, the city,or county may be liable for during a civil suit.[/quote]

Again, from a legality perspective, I understand that. Just wondering from a legality standpoint, what authority does my neighbor have who is a citizen just like me but sees something he perceives as suspicious? I’ve have been to neighbrhood watch meetings because of my young children. Never have told anyone to approach and question suspicious activity. Watch and report. But some act as though Zimmerman had the “authority” to do so as a volunteer watchman. [/quote]

He has no “authority” but he has every “RIGHT” to question someone who he deems suspicious, in his gated community, given the recent history. Hell, even Trayvon Martin had the right to question Mr. Zimmerman on what HE was doing in the gated community.

Somewhat off tangent, but if you were walking around your neighbourhood when it was raining, at night, and some guy asked you what you were doing, would you attack him?

Jesus my quote skills need work…