Prof X, I dont think you have said this yet? What is your opinion on what happened from what you know about the case?
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Do you realy believe it was that severe of a beating? I think thats media hype… 2 small cuts and a busted nose… I’ve got worse beatings at family BBQ’s gone bad. Most of you guys on here have had some MA or MMA expierence at the very least a few bar fights. Can you realy say due to those injuries it warented a chest shot??? Martin didnt need stiches or even have a concusion… Could he not have pistol whiped the kid or shot a shoulder arm or leg… In looking at TM do you realy think he was the next Jon Jones?? The whole thing thats disturbing is whith stand your ground untrained trigger happy guys can go live their fucked up dirty hairy fantasy… If it came out that Zimm was well trained went through extensive training to be a armed watch comander & followed police protocal I’d have a different opinion. But due to Florida law he is not quility and its fucked up becuase its not a good law and inocent people die. Even worse guys like Zimm are exactley who wants be these watch types and with loose gun laws we will see more dead youth.
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If he felt his life was in danger, then he was justified. In any case there was NO REASON for Martin Trayvon to attack him. None! If someone is smashing your head on to the ground, regardless of what injuries you may receive, then you have every right to fear for your life.
How is Trayvon Martin innocent? Guys like Mr. Zimmerman? How about wannabe thug pieces of shit like Trayvon Martin?
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What makes Trayvon a thug or a piece of shit? Prior to his conflict with Zimm how was he a thug?[/quote]
http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/9tmsuspended.jpg
“Naw my ol g says she don’t want me home cause she think ima get in mo trouble fighting”
http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/9tmwithdad.jpg
http://news.yahoo.com/defense-seeks-introduce-trayvon-martins-texts-014521963.html
Interesting?:
interview with Zimmermans parents:
http://gma.yahoo.com/zimmermans-parents-hiding-enormous-amount-death-threats-abc-001909456--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1
Would MLK wear a hoodie:
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Im not saying everyone with a hoodie = robbery/criminal/etc
[/quote]
Not everyone who wears a hoodie is a bad guy.
…unless they are.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Prof X, I dont think you have said this yet? What is your opinion on what happened from what you know about the case?[/quote]
My opinion is I understand the racial disharmony. It stems in part from “twitter syndrome”, “wannabe psychosis”, and the real knowledge that in this country, the worst public representations of “black people” get held up as the standard…while we are asked to ignore this and pretend that race doesn’t exist.
I keep going back to what I was told in that “profile” thread in the political forum recently…that blacks need to police their own communities.
This was cheered on by several posters…when I live in a mostly white neighborhood.
These double standards exist but we are constantly told that even speaking of them means we are the ones at fault.
As far as this case…I think the verdict of what was prosecuted stands firm.
I think looking at that and ignoring the social implications is just being blind to reality.
SOCIALLY, this is about blacks being the literal face of public negative standards and stereotypes…
and those same blacks pointing it out…
in vain because majority opinion has ruled that “race doesn’t matter” while also making sure that race does matter.
The truth is, I am more at risk of being seen as a threat because of this public witch hunt because of the stereotypes promoted.
Simply put…this specific trial is one thing…and the reality of the social implications is quite another.
Don’t confuse the two.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Do you realy believe it was that severe of a beating? I think thats media hype… 2 small cuts and a busted nose… I’ve got worse beatings at family BBQ’s gone bad. Most of you guys on here have had some MA or MMA expierence at the very least a few bar fights. Can you realy say due to those injuries it warented a chest shot??? Martin didnt need stiches or even have a concusion… Could he not have pistol whiped the kid or shot a shoulder arm or leg… In looking at TM do you realy think he was the next Jon Jones?? The whole thing thats disturbing is whith stand your ground untrained trigger happy guys can go live their fucked up dirty hairy fantasy… If it came out that Zimm was well trained went through extensive training to be a armed watch comander & followed police protocal I’d have a different opinion. But due to Florida law he is not quility and its fucked up becuase its not a good law and inocent people die. Even worse guys like Zimm are exactley who wants be these watch types and with loose gun laws we will see more dead youth.
[/quote]
If he felt his life was in danger, then he was justified. In any case there was NO REASON for Martin Trayvon to attack him. None! If someone is smashing your head on to the ground, regardless of what injuries you may receive, then you have every right to fear for your life.
How is Trayvon Martin innocent? Guys like Mr. Zimmerman? How about wannabe thug pieces of shit like Trayvon Martin?
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What makes Trayvon a thug or a piece of shit? Prior to his conflict with Zimm how was he a thug?[/quote]
http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/9tmsuspended.jpg
“Naw my ol g says she don’t want me home cause she think ima get in mo trouble fighting”
http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/9tmwithdad.jpg
http://news.yahoo.com/defense-seeks-introduce-trayvon-martins-texts-014521963.html
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MArtin wasn’t a saint, that is for sure. But none of this means he should have lost his life.
Even if you go to the extreme and assume he looted the jewels in his back pack, and even if you go beyond and say he was looking for a house to break into that night, it doesn’t mean he should have lost his life over those choices.
All it would do, if one to make those leaps, is further prove Zimmerman wasn’t a racist. Which the fucking FBI has already confirmed.
Of course, there was a lot of not-too-subtle racial stereotyping going on in Lord of the Rings. I mean, the Black Riders? Come on.
And the Southrons and Easterlings? The wicked men who sided with Sauron? Swarthy North Africans and slithery-looking Orientals, the lot of them. Not a single Brother anywhere in Gondor, Edoras or Rivendell. And the Uruk-Hai? What are we to make of their dark skin?
Pure, unadulterated racism dripping with hate. Tolkien, Jackson, for shame.
But cool movies nonetheless.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Of course, there was a lot of not-too-subtle racial stereotyping going on in Lord of the Rings. I mean, the Black Riders? Come on.
And the Southrons and Easterlings? The wicked men who sided with Sauron? Swarthy North Africans and slithery-looking Orientals, the lot of them. Not a single Brother anywhere in Gondor, Edoras or Rivendell. And the Uruk-Hai? What are we to make of their dark skin?
Pure, unadulterated racism dripping with hate. Tolkien, Jackson, for shame.
But cool movies nonetheless. [/quote]
Thank you lord. Now when people ask me “why didn’t you like those movies” I have a better reply than “they put me to sleep within 15 mins every time. Shit sucks man.”
lol
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
MArtin wasn’t a saint, that is for sure. But none of this means he should have lost his life.
Even if you go to the extreme and assume he looted the jewels in his back pack, and even if you go beyond and say he was looking for a house to break into that night, it doesn’t mean he should have lost his life over those choices.
All it would do, if one to make those leaps, is further prove Zimmerman wasn’t a racist. Which the fucking FBI has already confirmed. [/quote]
No one said he deserved to lose his life. Nor does that have to do with anything.
It’s about who was likely to start it. A lot of people wrongly say that Mr. Zimmerman was trying to be a vigilante, etc…which isn’t true. They say he is racist, which also isn’t true.
They wrongfully assume Trayvon Martin was just a poor kid in the wrong place at the wrong time.
However, an insight in to a person’s behaviour gives you an idea to what may have happened. Trayvon Martin was a delinquent. The reason he was visiting his father was because his mother kicked him out of her house because he kept getting in trouble (vandalism, fighting, truancy, etc).
He also obviously idolized the “thug life”. I would bet all my money that he did ambush Mr. Zimmerman and he did become violent, very quickly. His behaviour up to that point would be a strong indication. A 17 year old punk. Anyone thinking otherwise is being delusional.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Prof X, I dont think you have said this yet? What is your opinion on what happened from what you know about the case?[/quote]
My opinion is I understand the racial disharmony. It stems in part from “twitter syndrome”, “wannabe psychosis”, and the real knowledge that in this country, the worst public representations of “black people” get held up as the standard…while we are asked to ignore this and pretend that race doesn’t exist.
I keep going back to what I was told in that “profile” thread in the political forum recently…that blacks need to police their own communities.
This was cheered on by several posters…when I live in a mostly white neighborhood.
These double standards exist but we are constantly told that even speaking of them means we are the ones at fault.
As far as this case…I think the verdict of what was prosecuted stands firm.
I think looking at that and ignoring the social implications is just being blind to reality.
SOCIALLY, this is about blacks being the literal face of public negative standards and stereotypes…
and those same blacks pointing it out…
in vain because majority opinion has ruled that “race doesn’t matter” while also making sure that race does matter.
The truth is, I am more at risk of being seen as a threat because of this public witch hunt because of the stereotypes promoted.
Simply put…this specific trial is one thing…and the reality of the social implications is quite another.
Don’t confuse the two.
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I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]
I did give my opinion on this case.
Is my writing too eclectic to follow?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]
I did give my opinion on this case.
Is my writing too eclectic to follow?[/quote]
“Should i type slower?”
“Do you want me to write that in crayon?”
I love you Professor.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]
I did give my opinion on this case.
Is my writing too eclectic to follow?[/quote]
Not at all. You were just discussing other aspects surrounding “the case”. My queastion was what your opinions were regarding “the case”. Maybe my question was worded wrong? Do you think Zimmerman should have been found guilty of murder 2 or manslaughter?
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]
I did give my opinion on this case.
Is my writing too eclectic to follow?[/quote]
Not at all. You were just discussing other aspects surrounding “the case”. My queastion was what your opinions were regarding “the case”. Maybe my question was worded wrong? Do you think Zimmerman should have been found guilty of murder 2 or manslaughter?[/quote]
From previous post:
I even put spaces between lines and everything.
[quote]SickSex6 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]
I did give my opinion on this case.
Is my writing too eclectic to follow?[/quote]
“Should i type slower?”
“Do you want me to write that in crayon?”
I love you Professor. [/quote]
Hey, I write responses and people can’t seem to follow what I write.
Plus, I have tons of crayons.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SickSex6 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]
I did give my opinion on this case.
Is my writing too eclectic to follow?[/quote]
“Should i type slower?”
“Do you want me to write that in crayon?”
I love you Professor. [/quote]
Hey, I write responses and people can’t seem to follow what I write.
Plus, I have tons of crayons.[/quote]
I can only understand crayon writing.
I am big and dumb.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I can understand not wanting to give your opinion on this case, and respect that.[/quote]
I did give my opinion on this case.
Is my writing too eclectic to follow?[/quote]
Not at all. You were just discussing other aspects surrounding “the case”. My queastion was what your opinions were regarding “the case”. Maybe my question was worded wrong? Do you think Zimmerman should have been found guilty of murder 2 or manslaughter?[/quote]
From previous post:
I even put spaces between lines and everything.[/quote]
Of course the verdict “stands firm”. Nevermind man.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’m sorry. Let me clarify.
My original opinion of the protest either at the end of the old thread or this one, was misinformed and wrong. I’ve read a few articles and a lot of the quotes I’m seeing are very reasonable. But none of those are the “black life is less important” line of thinking.
I think some of the protestors are misguided, but not all.
That said, I don’t intend to imply that they shouldn’t be protests for Martin if there aren’t for some innocent teen in Chicago. What I’m trying to say is, if the Martin life means this much, so does the other, and there should be national attention, to the same degree, for the other senseless murders.
And I think the reason the inner-city violence is ignored to a large degree is society in general just doesn’t give to single fucks about poor people. It isn’t like trailer park violence gets any national play outside of “cops” TV show either. We just don’t care on a large enough scale. [/quote]
All right. I hear ya. Then who would you blame for the lack of attention? The black community? The funds the community lacks in order to get help bringing cases out? Or the media?
Now I would like to let you know, that the black community is trying its best with black on black crime.
People won’t know about it if they are always following mainstream media, and, if they don’t know any black people who are aware of black organizations that deal with black on black crime, they won’t have a fucking clue.
People who bring the BOB issue up, what have they done about it? Do they know the names of organizations that deal with it? The cities and places their meetings take place? Do they go to their meetings? The name of people working for those organizations? Nope. But it is just too easy for some, to bring the black on black crime as if it negates the outrage for the injustice the killing of TM has been. That’s truly sickening.
Black people have been helping their own for years. People just don’t know that and, they never fucking cared.
Here are the names of a few organizations that deal with Black on black crime; Cease Fire, Peace in the Streets, Mission District, Unity One, Stop the Violence, YouthSpeak, Urban Peace Movement, Gun down Stop the violence… There hundreds and hundreds more, and if people were bothered to fucking do their research, they’d have an idea of what are those groups up to.
The media will never make a big deal about this either. You will see a TV crew in a poor black area when a shooting has happened, but never ever when associations conduct events and gathering to fight against black on black violence.
Bringing up that Black on Black crime as a deflection to negate a tragic event and, make it seem as if Black Americans don’t give a shit about their own is fucking pathetic. Let the black people protest about injustice. Don’t be fucking outraged.