Trayvon Martin Pt. 2 'The Legacy'

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
You’re missing the point
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I ain’t. If you want to bring the argument that blacks’ pass time is to riot over a white man killing a black, then I’ll bring the argument that whites pass time is to riot over football match loss and over pedophiles sent to jail.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Black people killing black people (which is statistically the majority of the time) = no riot. [/quote]

But should they? The offenders are usually arrested and jailed. And let’s not forget white people kill as much their own as blacks. But of course, it is always good for some white cunts to make blacks look like the animals they are within their community. The White race is pure and lustre after all. The big issues are in the fucking black community!

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
White or white looking person kills black person = black people riot. [/quote]

Especially if the offender gets away with murder or get lesser sentences. The pigs who beat the shit of Rodney King, anyone?

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Pathetic that black people dont lend any value to their fellow black people unless that life is taken by a non-black. [/quote]

Oh and you know that how? Based on what you read online or from your white supremacist websites?

Maybe I should also say the same about all the white people who get killed by their peers, uh? Do you give a shit about them?

Or maybe I should just totally ignore how outraged whites were when OJ simpson walked. Nah. Scrapped that.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
And the most ridiculous thing is, even if it can be perceived as a hate-crime, none of you would give a shit if it had just had a run in the sunday morning news paper and their wasnt a ridiculously overblown media circus surrounding it. [/quote]

Yeah, just like some white people don’t give a shit about a white teens killed by their peer, or a white woman killed by her alcoholic hubby. Hell fucking yeah.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Guarantee if it were a mexican or puerto rican kid most of you would have never even heard about this case. [/quote]

Ah, so I guess you got your nuts twisted because the blacks express outrage, uh?

Hahaha! Fucking hell. Let’s just go back in our slaves caves and shut our fucking mouths so we won’t run the risk to make the white folks feel uncomfortable. Lololol!!

And it is funny, how you underestimate the power of the mexican commnunity. You have no fucking idea. If a mexican kid is killed by a white fucker who gets away with it, I’m sure they will do everything possible to make sure the asshole goes to jail. Just like the TM family tried to .

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LOL!

I’d swear you were trying to be this blind on purpose, its just too funny. You literally had me laughing at the first sentence.

You see that? In the sky? Way up there? Like a bird, or maybe a plane? Its the point, and its waaaaay over your head. All the way up there. Maybe if you squint your eyes…ah just forget about it.

Waittz, im gonna say 786.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:

Pretty good article on the “myth of black on black crime.”[/quote]

The myth? In 2011 half of all homicides victims and known race offenders were black. But we’ll waste our time protesting the rare “white” on black homicide (rarer than black on white) in a case where the prosecutor hasn’t even tried to bring in hate crime charges, where the evidence was not existent to demonstrate ill will and hatred, and where the FBI had already investigated and ruled out a racial angle.
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Bro now you’re just talking nonsense, obviously going by the reaction of the black community and T-Nation’s own african-american lady-boy, you made all that up. None of what you said ever happened. Racist.

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
I don’t think there is a hypothetical scenario to debate here. What youre arguing it race. Race is the only argument being given by people who don’t like the verdict. My argument is different: I believe he was wrong for shooting Martin. Getting your ass beat doesn’t exactly equal use of deadly force. You can stand your ground all you want but when you have a loaded weapon, rules change.
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The fact that you can say this:

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Also, please keep in mind, Zimmerman does not look like a “killer” nor does he look like someone who would get out of a vehicle at night and pursue a sweatshirt wearing, dark individual.[/quote] and not understand how race would play into this

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  • In order to prove Zimmerman guilty of second-degree murder, the prosecution had to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he acted intentionally out of ill will or spite when he shot Martin. [/quote]
    Is the sole reason this is a huge trial. It doesn’t surprise me but it amazes and frustrates. Trayvon could be more then a kid, he could be Obama in congress days jogging in the wealthy. I’ll agree with you on one thing. It’s much easier to prove someone who “looks like a “killer”” killed somebody then someone who doesn’t. The problem is with “who” looks like a killer. In this country sure not Zimmerman.

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Despite what most people think: humans don’t really like or want to kill other humans. They have a lot of problems with it. Talk to anyone in Military or LEO or read On Killing. They especially don’t want to kill another human at close range.

You cant cry racial injustice, what if it was your kid, when they jury was mostly women, some ethnic. This article sums a lot up about how bullshit racial injustice is concerning this case.

Read more: Defense lawyer Joe Tacopina: Don’t blame the Zimmerman jury for doing its duty – New York Daily News

  • The six women on the jury applied the law to the facts and found that Zimmerman was not guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter.

  • Despite the outcry by political activists, race baiters and people who do not understand the legal system, particularly Florida’s unique and controversial law, the jury’s decision was that he had the right to shoot Martin under the Stand Your Ground law.

  • In order to prove Zimmerman guilty of second-degree murder, the prosecution had to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he acted intentionally out of ill will or spite when he shot Martin.

  • There was absolutely no evidence put forth by the prosecution to rebut Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. That is all that was relevant. With that, the jury was left no choice at all. The jurors were not empaneled to improve race relations or right historical wrongs.

And also please everyone stop this case history copy and paste fucking nonsense of horrible atrocities committed by blacks or whites or whatever the fucks…everyone of every color does horrible shit everyday that never makes the news. If you want to defend white crimes against black crimes, whites are going to lose. A couple black kids get shot in Chicago, wow…shocking… most serial killers in mainstream media and history are white. Whites riot too…watch tapes from Katrina or listen to Sublimes song about Bradly actually looting.

The jury was a fair jury. The prosecution did piss poor job…even after the judge didn’t allow damning evidence against Martin into the courtroom, which now the prosecution is being sued for.

Moral of the story, humans are a dirty and dark creature sometimes, sometimes beautiful, weve done horrible things to each other for no reason at all other than it was a Tuesday. To bitch and moans and make up shit and protest against FACTS isn’t helpful. To try to say another group of people is better or worse is wrong and unfair. I still don’t see how a ground in pound = getting shot, I still stand by that. [/quote]

Jury can’t be fair, regardless of race. If your programmed to think of Trayvon as a thug for 40 years and Zimmerman as an innocent face your going to come to the EXACT conclusion you did above. Thanks for so eloquently proving my case.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Do all the white people here live in Chicago? How do they know about the large number of murders if the people there are not complaining?[/quote]

As if skin color makes it impossible to read the news. What does someone being white have to do with it?

As a staunch defender of our Second Amendment protected rights, I read an awful lot about the gun violence in major cities, Chicago is often cited in an attempt to show how “good” gun control laws work. Ie: they don’t.

And secondly the comparisons are:

Black teen shot in Florida: national protests. Black teen shot in Chicago: no national protests, no national outrage, no mention in the media anywhere near the level of the Zimmerman case. Both show the “value of black life in America” if one does.

I think it has much more to do with classism than anything, but what do I know, I’m white. [/quote]

The point is over there ------------------------------------------------------->

EVVERRRYYBODY knows about the black crime level in Chicago. Not just You and the people that post in here. The reason evveerrryyyybbooodddyyy knows is because people were complaining about that too, not that it has anything to do with this case, but why are people acting like black people ignored this when it’s been a popular issue since before Obama got elected. To the point half the black celebrities have mentioned.

I can go back through both threads and see the number of people that said “how come nobody’s saying anything about Chicago”. That is the dumbest and most ignorant statement reiterated in these threads. If anything they should’ve asked if black people have complained before saying they don’t which would still be silly considering it’s been on everything from 60 Minutes to Local Jersey News for over 6 years.[/quote]

Again: the reaction by poiticos and media gas bags isn’t equal. The national outrage isn’t equal. You can’t even compare the two…

Should I type it again?[/quote]

Unless you want me to

You can’t even compare the two.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:
… So, dress like a thug, I am going to assume you are one. [/quote]

Even when the person dressing like a thug is white, I hope.
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absolutely.

edit: just realized Beans beat me to it.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

You can’t even compare the two.[/quote]

Nope, you’re right, human life is only determined valuable when a black person declares it so…

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Profiling…

White supremacist Wendy Dorival, SPD/Neighborhood Watch adviser, instructed Zimmerman in making such suspicious persons calls.

And yes, she testified a hooded figure at night, not recognized, walking out from between two apartments where there is no walkway, would be a legitimate suspicious person call.

Oh, and that she absolutely does not instruct that NW folks can’t follow to update dispatcher/police.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
You’re missing the point
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I ain’t. If you want to bring the argument that blacks’ pass time is to riot over a white man killing a black, then I’ll bring the argument that whites pass time is to riot over football match loss and over pedophiles sent to jail.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Black people killing black people (which is statistically the majority of the time) = no riot. [/quote]

But should they? The offenders are usually arrested and jailed. And let’s not forget white people kill as much their own as blacks. But of course, it is always good for some white cunts to make blacks look like the animals they are within their community. The White race is pure and lustre after all. The big issues are in the fucking black community!

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
White or white looking person kills black person = black people riot. [/quote]

Especially if the offender gets away with murder or get lesser sentences. The pigs who beat the shit of Rodney King, anyone?

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Pathetic that black people dont lend any value to their fellow black people unless that life is taken by a non-black. [/quote]

Oh and you know that how? Based on what you read online or from your white supremacist websites?

Maybe I should also say the same about all the white people who get killed by their peers, uh? Do you give a shit about them?

Or maybe I should just totally ignore how outraged whites were when OJ simpson walked. Nah. Scrapped that.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
And the most ridiculous thing is, even if it can be perceived as a hate-crime, none of you would give a shit if it had just had a run in the sunday morning news paper and their wasnt a ridiculously overblown media circus surrounding it. [/quote]

Yeah, just like some white people don’t give a shit about a white teens killed by their peer, or a white woman killed by her alcoholic hubby. Hell fucking yeah.

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Guarantee if it were a mexican or puerto rican kid most of you would have never even heard about this case. [/quote]

Ah, so I guess you got your nuts twisted because the blacks express outrage, uh?

Hahaha! Fucking hell. Let’s just go back in our slaves caves and shut our fucking mouths so we won’t run the risk to make the white folks feel uncomfortable. Lololol!!

And it is funny, how you underestimate the power of the mexican commnunity. You have no fucking idea. If a mexican kid is killed by a white fucker who gets away with it, I’m sure they will do everything possible to make sure the asshole goes to jail. Just like the TM family tried to .

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LOL!

I’d swear you were trying to be this blind on purpose, its just too funny. You literally had me laughing at the first sentence.

You see that? In the sky? Way up there? Like a bird, or maybe a plane? Its the point, and its waaaaay over your head. All the way up there. Maybe if you squint your eyes…ah just forget about it.

Waittz, im gonna say 786. [/quote]

i lol’ed

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Profiling…

White supremacist Wendy Dorival, SPD/Neighborhood Watch adviser, instructed Zimmerman in making such suspicious persons calls.

And yes, she testified a hooded figure at night, not recognized, walking out from between two apartments where there is no walkway, would be a legitimate suspicious person call.

Oh, and that she absolutely does not instruct that NW folks can’t follow to update dispatcher/police.[/quote]

Alone?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I don’t need to rationalize anything. If you continue to ignore significant facts and circumstances and want to hang your hat on “racial profiling” alone, I don’t care anymore.

You don’t care about any possible reason other than Martin was black for Zimmerman to have involved himself in the matter. I’m not about to spend any more time than I already have beating that dead horse. [/quote]

I actually haven’t written anything like this. He may have acted the same if Martin was Hindu and had a red dot on his forehead. It is interesting that you think you know my argument beforeI make one.

Trust me…I like you, but you aren’t that far ahead.

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No. Reality is everything. [/quote]

And all of reality is SUBJECTIVE. Your reality is duifferent than the person next ton you based on your perception.

Stevie Wonder never knew what yellow was but the sun was still real.

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You can perceive whatever you want, doesn’t make it true, and you know this. Making up facts, like calling Zimmerman white, isn’t realty, even though it sure seems like a common perception. [/quote]

Actually, once again the point is that PERCEPTION in the initial event is the source of the social conflict.

Like I said…you would either try to ignore it or rationalize it.

However, thinking you know what I think is interesting coming from you.

Why do you think you know my argument better than I do?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
I still don’t see how a ground in pound = getting shot, I still stand by that. [/quote]

How about when it hasn’t stopped 40 seconds later. Even after a witness has screamed at Martin to stop and “cut it out!.” But, no, Zimmerman is obliged to wait until he has permanent visual, auditory, or speech issues. Or maybe he’s supposed to wait until that one flush blow puts him out underneath, and at the complete mercy, of a Martin who doesn’t appear to get the idea that it’s time to reign it in. Or maybe he’s supposed to wait he’s until he’s dead of subdural hematoma.

Not one fight injury on Martin, except for the knuckles of one hand. Not a one. This was a one sided beating that kept going and going, not stopping even when a witness screamed at Martin to “cut it out.”
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Do you realy believe it was that severe of a beating? I think thats media hype… 2 small cuts and a busted nose… I’ve got worse beatings at family BBQ’s gone bad. Most of you guys on here have had some MA or MMA expierence at the very least a few bar fights. Can you realy say due to those injuries it warented a chest shot??? Martin didnt need stiches or even have a concusion… Could he not have pistol whiped the kid or shot a shoulder arm or leg… In looking at TM do you realy think he was the next Jon Jones?? The whole thing thats disturbing is whith stand your ground untrained trigger happy guys can go live their fucked up dirty hairy fantasy… If it came out that Zimm was well trained went through extensive training to be a armed watch comander & followed police protocal I’d have a different opinion. But due to Florida law he is not quility and its fucked up becuase its not a good law and inocent people die. Even worse guys like Zimm are exactley who wants be these watch types and with loose gun laws we will see more dead youth.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

You can’t even compare the two.[/quote]

Nope, you’re right, human life is only determined valuable when a black person declares it so… [/quote]

Black Man’s burden

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I actually haven’t written anything like this. He may have acted the same if Martin was Hindu and had a red dot on his forehead. It is interesting that you think you know my argument beforeI make one.[/quote]

You’re right I jumped to conclusions based on where I though you were going with that.

My b.

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And all of reality is SUBJECTIVE. Your reality is duifferent than the person next ton you based on your perception.

Stevie Wonder never knew what yellow was but the sun was still real.[/quote]

We both know it is hot, and can burn you if you stay in it too long, however.

Not to get too deep into some philosophical discussion, but not all of reality is subjective. Facts are not subjective. 2+2=4. If I drop a bowling ball from a 6 story building, it will fall to the ground, etc.

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Actually, once again the point is that PERCEPTION in the initial event is the source of the social conflict.

Like I said…you would either try to ignore it or rationalize it.[/quote]

I’m not ignoring or rationalizing anything.

Are you trying to tell me what these two people saw in each other that night, these two individuals alone, is a reflection of society at large?

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can we think about them?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I’m not ignoring or rationalizing anything.

Are you trying to tell me what these two people saw in each other that night, these two individuals alone, is a reflection of society at large?

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I am.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

You can’t even compare the two.[/quote]

Nope, you’re right, human life is only determined valuable when a black person declares it so… [/quote]

Black Man’s burden[/quote]

I lol’ed.

I do think we are talking past each other to some degree on this subject.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Well all you white conservative assholes with small dicks and big guns must be happier than a pig in shit. Chalk one up for good ol Christian values. Once again you can smile as minorities get shit on. But who really gives a fuck it?s not your son or relative, or even friend. I guess now white guys with guns, and ego complexes can happily look for young black men to start shit with so they can thin the heard. But this is America waddya expect? The only thing u aren’t allowed to kill in an instant is a fetus. [/quote]

Didn’t a guy named O.J. murder a white woman and walk away a free man. Oh, wait he was found innocent by a court of law. He must not have done it. [/quote]

He was beyond words guilty.

Her implants were cut out of here breasts but that was not allowed to be presented to the jury as to prejudicial.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I’m not ignoring or rationalizing anything.

Are you trying to tell me what these two people saw in each other that night, these two individuals alone, is a reflection of society at large?

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I am.[/quote]

Why? Why is that a reflection of society at large and not the plethora of mixed race lovers in the world?

That is you picking and choosing, selective outrage.

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[quote]Love Nike wrote:
can we think about them?[/quote]

Why isn’t THIS a reflection of our society at large?

Why can’t it be?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

I’m not ignoring or rationalizing anything.

Are you trying to tell me what these two people saw in each other that night, these two individuals alone, is a reflection of society at large?

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Yes, in a way, I am.

This is where personal experience gets labeled as “pulling race cards”…and where pop media actually affects society at large with my skin color being the pivot point…or yours.

What is being hotly felt across the nation isn’t the death of a kid. Kids die every day and he wasn’t even that young.

It is about how a large segment of the population sees themselves in every news broadcast…gets told on message boards that they need to “police their own communities”…and then has to deal with the fact that people then claim “race does not exist and the first black pres should never have been struck by it emotionally or shown it”.

Simply put, CN…this is about me seeing myself being treated like that kid.

You don’t have that risk.

I do.