Idk yet. I’m not a scientist who studies hormones, physiology, psychology, etc. I’m just very open to to the idea that there is an equitable compromise out there.
I would guess it would be some combination of hormone replacement for a certain time period, certain psych drugs, age limits, weight limits, prior competitive history, etc.
Is this cause to do away with WNBA, Women’s soccer and all other men-women-specific sports? One national league for each sport that is non-gender specific?
I think it’s a lot simpler and fairer to just compete with men if you’re not a woman, just like we’ve done it for the entire history of organized sports.
But hey, I suppose it’s possible and even likely that you’ll get someone in a white coat to say that pumping a man full of hormones and psych meds will somehow scientifically wash away all of the sex based advantages.
It’s funny because science has never been good at understanding sports performance in that kind of way. Look at what scientists have told us about lifting weights over the years.
Idk, steroids seem to work well lol.
Def some medical ethics issues involved too.
Well yes, and that’s the other side of the discussion for FTM trans athletes.
I’m speaking more about the countless “scientific studies” you can find that contradict established principles of lifting learned by doing and passed along as tribal knowledge.
I just read an article that said lifting heavy is the same as lifting for high reps. They measured it! Same amount of muscle gained. It’s settled!
Given that the population is half women, good luck with preventing them from participating in sports.
Pat’s argument is silly anyway. Trans athletes are affecting women negatively so the answer is to make it so women won’t be able to play sports at all? That’ll show those women who’s boss.
Correct, may the best athletes win… No discrimination for any reason other than talent and proficiency. It’s the fairest thing.
It isn’t the fairest thing. It’s fair to allow women to have the opportunity to participate in sports.
Maybe, just maybe, men should STFU for once and let women deal with an issue that affects them, and not us.
The issue isn’t being dealt with here. It is being discussed.
And in this discussion some are posting their solutions. It’s one thing to talk about how hormonal therapies affect trans athletes but it’s another to say just do away with women’s sports.
I do not think the IOC, NCAA or New Zealand’s governing body of weightlifting will be citing this thread when deciding what to do. It’s just a discussion going on in the basement of the internet.
I’ve saw her/him wrestle a few times at tournaments. A couple of times the people from the opposing school would get vocal with their booing, but you’re right that for the most part people felt like it was the UIL’s fault. But what should the rule be? This rule keeps biologically males from competing against girls. He/She has high test levels, but her structure was still that of a woman. That’s different than a biological male transitioning and beating on girls.
That doesn’t change my opinion that women need to take the lead on it.
That’s a lot of people to put out of jobs. All university women’s teams and coaches, trainers, support staff. High school coaches, professional teams, etc. I think it would be awful.
And guess what would happen? Women would bring the same lawsuits they already brought to have girl’s and women’s sports in the first place.
And could tennis still have mixed doubles? What about pair figure skating?
All the competitions will look like this
But fairness!
Fair to all of the guys who couldn’t cut it.
Tom Brady. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Jaromir Jagr. Martina Navitalova. Tiger Woods.
Whenever I think of athletes shattering expectations of performance in their 40’s, these names come to mind. Now we have another name to add to the list.
Laurel Hubbard will become the oldest woman in Olympic history to compete in weightlifting at age 43, along with the unprecedented achievement of not qualifying for the Olympics prior to reaching her athletic peak so late in life.
I can only imagine the heights she might have reached had she competed in women’s weightlifting during her 20’s when most top athletes peak in that sport. Laurel has truly set herself apart through diligent training and adopting a lifestyle that makes competing at the highest levels of women’s weightlifting in your mid 40’s possible.
Brave. Beautiful. Bold. I’ll be rooting for Laurel, a true inspiration to young women across the world.
When it affects money, it will then be seen as a problem. Right now it’s a fringe sport that few care about. If it were women’s tennis, for example, then you would see pushback.