[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
it’s on the precision nutrition website and called “the sexiest vegetarian”.
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I read that as “the sexist vegetarian” - even when I had a double take. Sign of the times…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
Never let a crisis, real or imagined, go to waste.
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It may be hard for you to believe, since it involves the process of evolution.
That’s the kind of thing only super-villains say.
[quote]Watchdog wrote:
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Do you hunt yourself? I haven’t had the chance to read the whole thread, so you may have already addressed this, but I do hunt, and I know a lot of hunters, and though most urbanites may think of them as slobs the majority of hunters do think about issues such as what constitutes an ethical kill. Of course there are also idiots who hunt, but there are idiots involved in any and every activity.
The old timer’s attitude blows my mind. But I’m the kind of guy who would rather clean a dirty toilet myself than get somebody else to do it. And I believe that most animals killed by hunters die a more humane death and more importantly lived a more humane life than the vast majority of commercially raised livestock.[/quote]
Yes, I do. I don’t live in the city, either. I should clarify my use of the term slob. Around here, hunters refer to people who abuse the land and don’t follow regulations slobs. I’m not saying all hunters are slobs, just that many of the hunters in the area I live are slobs. I certainly didn’t mean to suggest all hunters are slobs. Sorry for the confusion.
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No problem, sorry if it seemed like I was calling you out.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
That’s the kind of thing only super-villains say.[/quote]
I think you’d make quite a good super villain, as it happens
Brick, I don’t think you should regret starting this thread.
I’ve always looked at forums in general as a way to talk about things and at least be entertained if not also find a deeper understanding of whatever topic.
I feel like the goal was to talk about a decision you were thinking about making and that’s exactly what happened. After a lot of good points were made (on both sides) you completed that goal and came to a conclusion. It probably wasn’t the predicted conclusion, but that doesn’t mean it’s something you should be regretful for.
This was an interesting topic that is very relevant to the main cause of the website and a lot of good points have been made. Plus it was mostly civil and pretty long, not a common combination. So congrats, man. Nothing to regret in my opinion.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
Brick, I don’t think you should regret starting this thread.
I’ve always looked at forums in general as a way to talk about things and at least be entertained if not also find a deeper understanding of whatever topic.
I feel like the goal was to talk about a decision you were thinking about making and that’s exactly what happened. After a lot of good points were made (on both sides) you completed that goal and came to a conclusion. It probably wasn’t the predicted conclusion, but that doesn’t mean it’s something you should be regretful for.
This was an interesting topic that is very relevant to the main cause of the website and a lot of good points have been made. Plus it was mostly civil and pretty long, not a common combination. So congrats, man. Nothing to regret in my opinion.[/quote]
Thanks for this! I appreciate it.
I will try to comment more later tonight or tomorrow.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Stumbled across this today:
Research Points To Mental Health Risks Associated With Meatless Diet
Gotta wonder if they were to begin with.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
Never let a crisis, real or imagined, go to waste.
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It may be hard for you to believe, since it involves the process of evolution.[/quote]
Evolution is awesome, first of all, when properly understood.
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Please do an outline for me.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
Never let a crisis, real or imagined, go to waste.
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It may be hard for you to believe, since it involves the process of evolution.[/quote]
Evolution is awesome, first of all, when properly understood.
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Please do an outline for me.
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Oh, I’ll get right on it. Just for you, Suzie, just for you.[/quote]
Or maybe a link?
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
Never let a crisis, real or imagined, go to waste.
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It may be hard for you to believe, since it involves the process of evolution.[/quote]
Not evolution at all. Just a few lonely Chinese farmers having a little ‘horizontal gene transfer’ with their prize stock.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Over the past week I have been slowly transitioning to vegetarianism, with the thought of perhaps in the future going full-blown vegan. [/quote]
I am not, nor would I ever be a vegetarian, but I share your concerns with how food stock animals are treated.
I am a rancher by avocation and still a hunter for food. Many winters my mom and brother depended on me hunting and killing does (bucks were for the rich white guys who paid), turkey, or other game. Poverty sucks, but that is another post.
Anyway, we are blessed to live in the country, so we have chickens, sheep, goats, cattle, and even a small growing herd of buffalo, thanks to Ted Turner who didn’t want them. We treat our animals extremely well, but, yes we do eat them. Circle of life, and all that.
I used to just send them to Roswell for slaughter, but, thanks to my wife’s family, I send the cattle/sheep only to a certain kosher shochet who has also taught me how to perform the process. (He was very interested in range/grass fed organic meat, which I do, not because I am hippy dippy, but because we have a LOT (as in many sections) of semi-arid land and space, so it was cheaper than feeding.)
The sochets got a lot of grief in Europe I think mainly because they don’t like Sharia slaughter, so lumped in Jewish methods with it to be fair, but I’ve studied it and done it. The animal never knows what is coming; it’s quick and painless.
In particular, because you are dealing with small operations, there is never a giant lot where the cattle come together and start to panic. To me, that’s much worse than the actual slaughter.
Anyway, long way of saying, if you go to a quality butcher, you can find animal protein that has been treated well.
Hunted animals are similar; they are generally just walking along and then die a rather sudden death.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Over the past week I have been slowly transitioning to vegetarianism, with the thought of perhaps in the future going full-blown vegan. [/quote]
I am not, nor would I ever be a vegetarian, but I share your concerns with how food stock animals are treated.
I am a rancher by avocation and still a hunter for food. Many winters my mom and brother depended on me hunting and killing does (bucks were for the rich white guys who paid), turkey, or other game. Poverty sucks, but that is another post.
Anyway, we are blessed to live in the country, so we have chickens, sheep, goats, cattle, and even a small growing herd of buffalo, thanks to Ted Turner who didn’t want them. We treat our animals extremely well, but, yes we do eat them. Circle of life, and all that.
I used to just send them to Roswell for slaughter, but, thanks to my wife’s family, I send the cattle/sheep only to a certain kosher shochet who has also taught me how to perform the process. (He was very interested in range/grass fed organic meat, which I do, not because I am hippy dippy, but because we have a LOT (as in many sections) of semi-arid land and space, so it was cheaper than feeding.)
The sochets got a lot of grief in Europe I think mainly because they don’t like Sharia slaughter, so lumped in Jewish methods with it to be fair, but I’ve studied it and done it. The animal never knows what is coming; it’s quick and painless.
In particular, because you are dealing with small operations, there is never a giant lot where the cattle come together and start to panic. To me, that’s much worse than the actual slaughter.
Anyway, long way of saying, if you go to a quality butcher, you can find animal protein that has been treated well.
Hunted animals are similar; they are generally just walking along and then die a rather sudden death.
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Good post. It’s also said that the quality and flavor of animal flesh is better when the presence of stress hormones is reduced (i.e. wild game or humanely treated livestock).
By the way, Ted Turned just GAVE you the livestock… for free?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]CLUNK wrote:
…It’s also said that the quality and flavor of animal flesh is better when the presence of stress hormones is reduced (i.e. wild game or humanely treated livestock)…
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True.
And since it is true don’t think for a second that livestock producers don’t know this. And if they know it, they prudently, for the sake of the quality of their product if for no other reason, employ whatever tactics they can to keep their cattle content. One of the ways to keep your cattle content is to NOT “torture” them.
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I believe this is the case with the majority of cattle farms. However, I wouldn’t bet on it with some of the larger factory farms where meat would end up processed and flavor is masked behind seasonings and flavorings in the end.
[quote]CLUNK wrote:
Good post. It’s also said that the quality and flavor of animal flesh is better when the presence of stress hormones is reduced (i.e. wild game or humanely treated livestock).
By the way, Ted Turned just GAVE you the livestock… for free?
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He pretty much liquidated his ranch, I think. The buffalo were close to free.
They’re pretty useless, except they chase illegals across the ranch like you’ve never seen. Pretty fucking funny.