[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
For the time being, I think you should check out this book, Proteinaholic by Garth Davis MD, Lonnie, or anyone else concerned about the protein intake issue. I just got it yesterday and don’t want to put it down when I am reading it. If I recall correctly, you work in healthcare too, so it will help you.
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What planet does this guy live on? Never have I seen this “addiction” to protein. Sweets, fatty foods, salty foods sure but, addiction to the point of snacking on fucking beef jerky? Please. I have also never been asked what kind of protein I want on my salad.
The main thing that is contributing to longevity in other countries is calorie restriction and physical activity.[/quote]
Who has eaten beef jerky–as well as turkey, bacon, and even Trader Joe’s fish jerky or other seafood jerky from the local Asian market–for a convenient meal because eating the supposedly golden five or six meals per day (because I also used to believe in "stoking the metabolic furnace and controlling blood sugar with crazy) and couldn’t always sit down with a fork and knife every three hours? There’s nothing wrong with eating jerky, but it’s been recommended on this site, and I and others I know used it as a snack.
Yours truly, moi. Anyway, whether someone eats chicken and rice for a meal or more portable foods like beef jerky and rice cakes is besides the point. They’re both meals with carbs and protein.
You haven’t been asked if you want protein with your salad. He has. Like with the many people on this earth, we have different regular experiences.
Going forward, I want to make it clear that I am being civil. With that in mind, I think it’s worth mentioning within the context of this conversation that he is a bariatric surgeon with a staff of registered dietitians in his office, who, judging from some of the 377 pages (!) (which do him far more justice than this brief video segment I linked) actually does know something more than the average physician does about dietetics and nutrition science. I don’t see eye-to-eye or like every single statement he makes, but that does not mean I am not taking away useful information from him or his book. An RD wrote a chapter in the book as well.
You think some of what he says is asinine. Do you think a bariatric surgeon with a staff or RD’s has seen more daily food intake logs and questionnaires and counseled more patients on diet than you have? You don’t think this experience amounts to much? I do.
You know, and I’ve stated it many times: I don’t like to flaunt my own credential or experience, but in this case I believe it relates. I have come across thousands of residents/patients with seemingly odd food beliefs and what we might consider odd or bizarre eating habits, especially amongst the obese. I once met a 600 pound patient in a hospital who, after me recommending to decrease ALL of his food portions containing all macronutrients–perhaps an eight ounce steak instead of a 32 ounce steak and a pile of potatoes–he said that such a meal is “just a warmup” and on his way home from the restaurant would stop by maybe a pizza or hot dog joint.
I’ve worked with nearly every ethnicity and race groups there are. Just because you or I aren’t familiar with their eating habits and beliefs, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
I once overheard a conversation at work amongst co-workers (NOT licensed healthcare professionals), and heard one of them say, concerning people’s starch and carb intake, something along the lines of, "People don’t rinse the starch of their rice. That’s why they are fat. The other one, in surprise, said something like, “What the heck are you talking about, washing off the starch. Rice IS starch!”
Over and over I have resident’s relatives or caregivers say to me regarding their diets, “I am concerned that s/he is not getting the right food for diabetes.”
Me: “Like what?”
Them: “She’s getting fruit. That’s sugar. That’s not good for a diabetic. S/he’s getting too much carbs.”
That’s all it is to many of these people. Sugar, sugar. Carbs, carbs. Fruit is bad. Wheat bread is better than white bread. Rice is better than pasta. Somehow, magically, the carbs amongst these groups have unique properties that will affect conditions in unique ways. And protein is seldom mentioned, implying that it is a non-issue, negatively or positively.
And I believe there is a protein obsession. I used to believe much of the popular bro or even “scientific” recommendations on protein.
I heard it all before and used to believe it all:
- Protein is the most important macro for weight control.
- Eat your protein food first in in your meal; eat carbs after you’re done with protein. A writer on this site stated this, as well as many others. A famous “size guru” spouts this all the time, in addition to selling protein and recommending outrageous protein intakes.
- Every meal or snack should contain protein.
- If you want to lose weight, increase your protein and decrease your carbs.
I just couldn’t have that piece of fruit with nothing else as a snack. Couldn’t have that bagel and cream cheese for a meal or snack. And not only do we have to consume protein with every other thing that goes in our mouth, we have to get a whopping dose of it. A measly fifteen to 20 grams at a sitting isn’t gonna cut it. Gotta have that whopping 30-plus grams.
Many trainers I have come across in gyms speak incessantly speak of protein and/or give hardly any recommendations for plant-based foods. I’ve even seen some posters on forums, including these, say stuff like, “Vegetables and fruits are useless” and “fruit is bad for leaning out because of the sugars.”
Ever walked through the grocery store and observe the items? I’ve seen over and over wording on food packages with statements such as “high in protein”, “10 grams of protein in every serving,” “only 10 grams of digestible carbohydrates,” and so on, and so on. Never do we see something like, “50 grams of carbs in every serving,” likely because that doesn’t tune into any buzz thoughts going through people’s minds these days and it doesn’t suit the protein fixation.
Yes, total caloric amounts are leading to obesity. But there are also people eating far less protein than we do and eating starches throughout the entire day, with healthy bodyweight, who use meat more like a condiment than a main entree. And they aren’t “earning their carbs” each day they eat them, as recommended by some of the more prominent trainers or coaches out there these days, considering they would have to do multiple training sessions a day just to take in their hundreds of grams of carbs. Actually the people I speak of don’t train at all.
The guy who made that twitter post, Brad Pilon, noticed the protein fixation several years ago and even wrote a book about it, with recommendations for protein far less than we have here.
Another popular writer here from years ago, Jason Ferrugia, cut his protein in half, kept his calories constant by eating far more carbs and also less fat, and at some times lowered protein to 70 grams per day and he said he has never felt or performed or slept better til lowering it. He also lost fat. Actually I got an e-newsletter regarding his experience just last week. He also said he stopped “pissing and farting” (exact words). He also used the word “proteinaholic”.
Again, I say this civilly: perhaps you should recognize that your experience, research, or observations are not the same as everyone else’s.
