Bob, if you want to learn to fight, then, once again, you need to learn some combination of BJJ, wrestling, boxing/kickboxing.
No big shots landed? You mean besides when he clearly wobbled Matt? Also, they didn’t reverse the decision; they just couldn’t add the cards right. Din was always the winner.
If Matt was that good, he should’ve made Din go to the ground.
Matt had him on the ground the last few seconds of the fight. Din provided no offensive the entire three rounds. I suppose he won points for out-running Matt, but you cannot argue with ring control. As far as the numbers issue, I am not one to throw out conspiracy theories at random. Still, I find it questionable.
I have to admit that I’m pleasantly surprised with the the civility that’s been demonstrated on this board. Usually when a discussion starts about which martial arts are the best (or any other similar discussion) people react in a xenophobic manner. I’m really impressed by how this discussion is progressing.
Anyway, I understand the complaints about judo and relying on the Gi and you’re right. IT does rely heavily on the gi. However when I wrestled I had no trouble holding my own. Usually I would just throw my opponent and wait for them to stand up. I would repeat that until I won on technical superiority. I wouldn’t chase them to the ground because I always got flipped over too easily. Since being on your back is not really a bad thing in Judo we never trained too hard to avoid it. Truth be told I prefer fighting off my back when I’m on the ground.
I’m still going to have to plug a judo/boxing combo.
STU
ps. Most of the fights I’ve been in end when I throw the other guy. Even when you know how to land landing on concrete will slow you down. If you don’t know how to land that’s the end of it.
“Ko, despite your ‘20+ years of martial arts experience’, you don’t know a damn thing about Hapkido.”
It’s a hybrid style based on Aikido/Jiu Jitsu and Tae Kwon do. I once considered studying it, but realized that it was seriously lacking in the standup, and ground game.
“This isn’t just blind devotion. I’ve been around the block as well.”
It may not be blind devotion, but you have yet to open your eyes to the real world of fighting. You may have been around the block, but it was in the suburbs, not the hood.
“The virtue of this particular style, and the reason I like it so much, is that it’s an amalgamation of the best parts of other styles.”
Unfortunately, it has not incorporated Jeet Kun Do’s Philosophy of discarding what is not useful, and therefore is mired in it’s complexity. Like others have mentioned, simplicity coupled with “live” sparring makes for an effective style, not practicing prescribed techniques over and over.
“Boxing is a simple discipline. Hapkido isn’t.”
This has already been covered by others. And in light of another post by you in another thread as well as this one, you have no clue about the “Sweet Science”.
“A comparison at the one year mark tells you nothing”
It will if you get your ass handed to you.
“I spend 45 minutes three days a week with a heavy bag refining punching and kicking techniques because I know as you pointed out, done poorly, they won’t do a damn thing against a determined adversary. Done correctly… that’s a different story.”
I bet that heavy bag puts up a hell of a fight too.
Sorry bud, someone needs to get in the ring.
Bobo,
The absolute key being a successful fighter is effective striking. The reason why I am such a huge proponent of Tim Larkin’s TFT method is because that (i.e. effective striking) is his primary focus in the course. If you watch any UFC fighting, you will quickly notice how ineffective they are when it comes to accurate striking. One straight, accurate strike to the Adam’s apple will take anyone to their knees. This is just one of many examples. I HIGHLY recommend you check out his website www.tftgroup.com and my article on my website www.chadwaterbury.com
But don’t take my word for it. There are many great people in the industry who advocate TFT. Charles Staley is a huge supporter of the system and Pavel Tsatsouline took the seminar with me last fall. That should be enough to get you interested.
What do you think is more likely to happen in a fight, a leaping axe kick or a right cross and a tackle? Who knocks more people out, boxers or budo kai practicioners (the ones who take kicks in the nuts)? You havta pick a style that reflects your goal, and what you’re gonna see in a real fight: punches, bad grappling, and stompings on the floor. Defending against punches/bad grappling = boxing and thai boxing, defending against going to the ground = wrestling/judo. It’s not about looking impressive in front of your girlfriend, it’s about moving hands/feet/elbows/knees/head into his body, or moving him onto the floor, very very fast to cause him extreme pain, so you can quickly leave a dangerous situation. If you can’t get your head around that then carry a whistle and be prepared to sprint. Sucks, but this is real life not a padded gym.
You would be surprised how difficult it is to find full-contact sparring partners. It isn’t for lack of desire that I do it only on occasion.
I’ve never fought a true boxer. But nor have I ever lost a fight against anyone pretending as much.
I’ll reiterate what I said initially in my last post. Consider taking a class, it may be worth your while.
DI
Which is why you have to find a competitive MMA gym if you want to get in some sparring.
The best MMA gyms are the ones that have their guys in the ring on a consistent basis, and then bringing what they learn from the experience back into the gym.
As for giving Hapkido a shot, no thanks.I am training with world class fighters and do not need to try any more “styles”.
I may get back into Aikido when I am older, but that won’t be for another 20 years or so.
I use to train in Tae-Kwon-Do when I was younger. While I have been out of it for quite a while, I have read up a little, though I doubt my knowledge would be as good as many on this thread.
I didn’t know how good of an instructor I had at the time. He taught Hapkido, but only to people over 18. My instructor was a bodyguard for the South Korean President, and trained Special Forces before coming to America. This might have made a difference in his training of Hapkido. The TKD he trained unfortunately was more of a competition form, while the Hapkido was for self-defense.