I’m just crossing over to the darkside and I’m interested in peoples opinions on what sorts of changes to a standard lifting program are apropriate while on. Most of the bodybuilding oriented articles aimed at users that I’ve seen recommend substantially higher volumes but with reletively low intensity (in %1rm terms). I haven’t found any articles specificly targeted towards AAS using powerlifters so I’m unclear on the magnitude and nature of changes made at that end of the spectrum.
Any thoughts? What general changes do you make while on? At what level of use? What are your goals/sport?
I read several articles from highly accredited guru’s and pro athletes and they all agree that most people overtrain when on. Your recovery improves but not 20 fold.
[quote]E-man wrote:
I read several articles from highly accredited guru’s and pro athletes and they all agree that most people overtrain when on. Your recovery improves but not 20 fold.[/quote]
Interesting. This is exactly what I’m trying to get a handle on. Do you have any recollection of where you saw these articles?
[quote]cadav wrote:
i m far from being an expert.
i am on the middle of my 1st cycle.
I have not changed my training agenda a part from higher intesity, ie i do the same stuff with higher weight.
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I’ve noticed a few people saying they do it this way. I’m watching you cycle with interest since I’m doing a simple test e cycle as well (no orals though) a few weeks behind you.
as my strentgh increases during my cycle i like to increase my weights, personally i fell this maximises my gains, but then again my shoulder and elbow are fucked so maybe its not such a good idea
For BB just train maybe 10 % higher and take your normal days off…mostly compound type movements. If your PL, well then it’s all about max weights. But be careful and don’t hurt yourself…AAS can mask the pain and then when you come off it’s off to see the ortho doc, this comes from first hand experience by the way…Good luck.
since were talking about training changes i thought id ask something. ive been training with a new reps range and new amounts of sets. ive been increasing my weights and getting stronger than i possibly could imagine. ive been working out for 3 months this way naturally and dont get sore anymore from working out 4 days a week. 2 day upper body 2 day lower body. can i up it to 3 upper body days and 3 lower body days? my strength is going up which is all i care about. what could happen if i begin to workout 2 extra days a week? can it be i found my sweet spot for a while and i should take it to the limit before i plan on changing my workout routine?
I’ve noticed a few people saying they do it this way. I’m watching you cycle with interest since I’m doing a simple test e cycle as well (no orals though) a few weeks behind you. [/quote]
i’m feeling “great”…
i have big improvement in resistance and i can manage heavier weights.
friday i squatted (parallel) 240kg as 2RM
i had an incident and damaged my right knee… after that i can’t afford heavy squat… now i get that nice (for me…) PR
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I would say that if you want to be injury free, then increasing volume, not intensity is a better idea - at least initially.
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you are so right
my joint in the last week give me a “message”…
i have partially “hear” it… stopping winny…
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Having said that, it IS fun, lifting shit you couldn’t lift before, but exercise caution along with your new found strength
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I would say that if you want to be injury free, then increasing volume, not intensity is a better idea - at least initially.
Why? well on a cycle you will likely experience a ‘quantum leap’ in muscular strength, which is nice, but your tendons and ligaments will take some time to catch up.
You might feel that you can ‘handle’ a substantially heavier weight than you used to train with, and in a muscular/nervous system way, you can, but be aware of the risks to your joints as well as your muscle insertions. You dont want to tear a pec away from your humerus…
Having said that, it IS fun, lifting shit you couldn’t lift before, but exercise caution along with your new found strength
bushy[/quote]
I’ve heard this quite a bit. I suppose the moral is to use a reverse linear periodization plan.
[quote]etaco wrote:
E-man wrote:
I read several articles from highly accredited guru’s and pro athletes and they all agree that most people overtrain when on. Your recovery improves but not 20 fold.
Interesting. This is exactly what I’m trying to get a handle on. Do you have any recollection of where you saw these articles?[/quote]
I tried to remember and look for them before I posted because I knew someone would ask for references but I couldn’t remember where.
[quote]E-man wrote:
I read several articles from highly accredited guru’s and pro athletes and they all agree that most people overtrain when on. Your recovery improves but not 20 fold.[/quote]So what do you do? Just judge your state of over-training (or not) on a day to day basis (such as with a morning grip strength test)? Would you do more training sessions per week?
