Honestly John, it took me two reads to get to your point. If you fix your grammar a bit you’ll be infinitely more readable.
[quote]John S. wrote:
It seems the site didnt post my last post. I have only read the bill once I am going for a second read through. Starting tomarrow I will be re reading the bill and will post my findings that way I wont be confusing where I got my info. That ok with you? [/quote]
Sure, but again, I would suggest you also read some analysis of the bill written by experts. I assume you don’t have a law degree, right?
Honestly I don’t know what you’re trying to ask here. There are two questions? Is one “how to pay for it” and the second “do you agree with the CBO about … something?” Please clarify and I’ll try to answer if I can.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
John S. wrote:
The CBO says its impossible with this current plan. .
Anyone have the link? I went to the CBO site but could not find the 1 Trillion in Debt facts, only Billions.[/quote]
What I have seen was something like 247 billion debt with this program. I never said a trillion dollars so I dont know where you are getting that. If history has shown us anything with government budgeting, I wouldnt be surprised in the least if the debt went to a trillion.
Gambit, I am sorry about my spelling and puncuation. I am currently using my cell phone and I am having trouble with it. My first question is how would you pay for this plan. My second question is do you agree with the CBO when they said this plan will add I cant remember the exact figure but something like 247 billion dollars to our debt? And im pretty good at figuring this kind of stuff out. This time it wont be a 2 day skim through but a full 3 day read. And to answer someone elses question, I dont have health insurance and I dont want or need a government handout.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
John S. wrote:
The CBO says its impossible with this current plan. .
Anyone have the link? I went to the CBO site but could not find the 1 Trillion in Debt facts, only Billions.
What I have seen was something like 247 billion debt with this program. I never said a trillion dollars so I dont know where you are getting that. If history has shown us anything with government budgeting, I wouldnt be surprised in the least if the debt went to a trillion.[/quote]
Agreed, it was 200-300 Billion, and then also financed by the “rich” taxes.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
John S. wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
John S. wrote:
The CBO says its impossible with this current plan. .
Anyone have the link? I went to the CBO site but could not find the 1 Trillion in Debt facts, only Billions.
What I have seen was something like 247 billion debt with this program. I never said a trillion dollars so I dont know where you are getting that. If history has shown us anything with government budgeting, I wouldnt be surprised in the least if the debt went to a trillion.
Agreed, it was 200-300 Billion, and then also financed by the “rich” taxes.
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I believe the tax on the “rich” generates 564 billion. The CBO said this trillion dollar plan is more like 1.5 trillion. Any way you look at it, its bad. Also like I said before if we look at how much government says something will cost multiply that by 4 and you are probably closer to the real amount.
He said today and many times before, if you like your current insurance you can keep your insurance.[/quote]
But the insurance companies will be forced to supply under a new standard deemed fit by congress. What is that? Who can win the competition battle between the private sector and Government when it’s long arms are inside everything?
This is more than healthcare at this point, and the people see this. When will it stop?
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The only way I support this is if we trade this for welfare. Let’s finally make some lazy fucks work for a living while morally keeping them alive through taxpayer healthcare. Only severely retarded and disabled people should live off the tit. More people working and paying taxes for the funds they drained us out of for years.
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Does this mean when I get my own insurance in a year (currently covered by parents), I will HAVE to buy crappy public insurance? Fuck my life.[/quote]
If you don’t they will fine you premium a year, essentially taxes to fund YOUR cost of the bare bottom plan, which is still very unclear of what that is.
All businesses will be mandated to carry insurace per the “Gov” standard, or be fined, which will drive many small business employers totally out of business.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
What I think he said today:
The public option will be paid for by the following:
Allocating about $170 billion in insurance company write offs.
Most Americans will still have to pay premiums for the public option (albeit cheaper than current plans).
Did he mention a source for the 170 billion figure?[/quote]
Yes, I wish I had a video available of the speech to show you.
He said it is being spent on a Medicare sister program provided by private insurance companies, which isn’t used and redundant and is simply a ‘write-off’ to insurance companies.
If you don’t they will fine you premium a year, essentially taxes to fund YOUR cost of the bare bottom plan, which is still very unclear of what that is.
All businesses will be mandated to carry insurace per the “Gov” standard, or be fined, which will drive many small business employers totally out of business.
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Could you point to the part of the bill that states this?
[quote]dtheyer wrote:
Also, I am curious what everyone’s current insurance plans are? Is anyone here uninsured?[/quote]
I pay out of pocket about 400 a month for me and 2 kids. 2,500 deductable on major items with 15 dollar cr co pay. $15/30 drugs. My employer already pays about 50%. My policy is about 800 a month total.
Today Individual Insurance policies for youngsters 18-27 is about 80-120 per month depending on what you choose and history. A 20 something kid would pay about 80-120 a month plus a 20 buck co pay for your doctor visits, 200 bucks for hospital visits, and 15-30 dollar prescription coverage.
If you don’t they will fine you premium a year, essentially taxes to fund YOUR cost of the bare bottom plan, which is still very unclear of what that is.
All businesses will be mandated to carry insurace per the “Gov” standard, or be fined, which will drive many small business employers totally out of business.
Could you point to the part of the bill that states this?[/quote]
[quote]dtheyer wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
dtheyer wrote:
What I think he said today:
The public option will be paid for by the following:
Allocating about $170 billion in insurance company write offs.
Most Americans will still have to pay premiums for the public option (albeit cheaper than current plans).
Did he mention a source for the 170 billion figure?
Yes, I wish I had a video available of the speech to show you.
He said it is being spent on a Medicare sister program provided by private insurance companies, which isn’t used and redundant and is simply a ‘write-off’ to insurance companies. [/quote]
I wish I had the video where he said it would not use tax payer money, then compared it to USPS. When it comes to things like this he doesnt know his head from his ass.