Second, i`m not new to the iron game, 28 years old, semi-professional basketball player, so working out is part of my training ever since…
im known as a super clean lifter because i dont take chances doing squats, lounges, deadlifts and so on…
i won`t really bounce the weight off the floor, but always thought by picking it up on every rep, there is a point when you have to accelerate the weight off the floor which causes (imo) more strain on the body.
When i slow the weight down and start back up before touching the floor (slow movement overall), the muscles are working all the time for 6 reps, it seems like a good way of doing it, even with heavier weights (in my case 6 reps with about 225-250)
Thats not my 1RM, which i dont really know because i never try it, remember i play basketball - no strongman contest in the near future
so do you think my form could do harm to the body in any way?
[quote]Eisen Preisen wrote:
First of all, thanks for all the response.
Second, i`m not new to the iron game, 28 years old, semi-professional basketball player, so working out is part of my training ever since…
im known as a super clean lifter because i dont take chances doing squats, lounges, deadlifts and so on…
i won`t really bounce the weight off the floor, but always thought by picking it up on every rep, there is a point when you have to accelerate the weight off the floor which causes (imo) more strain on the body.
When i slow the weight down and start back up before touching the floor (slow movement overall), the muscles are working all the time for 6 reps, it seems like a good way of doing it, even with heavier weights (in my case 6 reps with about 225-250)
Thats not my 1RM, which i dont really know because i never try it, remember i play basketball - no strongman contest in the near future
so do you think my form could do harm to the body in any way? [/quote]
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So for yall who who start fresh every rep, your sets are basically a cluster of singles then? A set of 6 is just 6 singles?[/quote]
If you stand up between reps then yea pretty much
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I’m kinda confused here. Aren’t we merely talking about two different lifts, deadlift v. RDL? [/quote]
Sounds like it[/quote]
it’s not necessarily an RDL. The way Yates did them, and the way I do them, hits the upper back extremely well if you get your form right. My hams are not getting hit at all during these but they rape my traps.
I can’t dead from the floor because my mechanics are completely wrong for this lift, and trust me i’ve tried various styles over the years. It would not end well for me if I did deads from the floor.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So for yall who who start fresh every rep, your sets are basically a cluster of singles then? A set of 6 is just 6 singles?[/quote]
If you stand up between reps then yea pretty much[/quote]
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So for yall who who start fresh every rep, your sets are basically a cluster of singles then? A set of 6 is just 6 singles?[/quote]
“Start fresh” doesn’t mean you put the weight down and go get a drink of water. It means you are starting from the floor. I do sumo deadlifts. I pick the weight, I pout the weight down, reset, and pick it back up.
Also, “reset” is a term often used to describe MENTAL STATE. If a lifter bench presses a weight but knocks the handle on the way up throwing him off balance, you will often hear advice to “reset” the weight…meaning put it back down, and approach that exercise like the next time is the first rep.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So for yall who who start fresh every rep, your sets are basically a cluster of singles then? A set of 6 is just 6 singles?[/quote]
“Start fresh” doesn’t mean you put the weight down and go get a drink of water. It means you are starting from the floor. I do sumo deadlifts. I pick the weight, I pout the weight down, reset, and pick it back up.
Also, “reset” is a term often used to describe MENTAL STATE. If a lifter bench presses a weight but knocks the handle on the way up throwing him off balance, you will often hear advice to “reset” the weight…meaning put it back down, and approach that exercise like the next time is the first rep.
That is how you avoid injury.[
/quote]
That’s what I meant by the term starting fresh. I have access to bumper plates and can drop the weights to restart…
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I’m kinda confused here. Aren’t we merely talking about two different lifts, deadlift v. RDL? [/quote]
Sounds like it[/quote]
it’s not necessarily an RDL. The way Yates did them, and the way I do them, hits the upper back extremely well if you get your form right. My hams are not getting hit at all during these but they rape my traps.
I can’t dead from the floor because my mechanics are completely wrong for this lift, and trust me i’ve tried various styles over the years. It would not end well for me if I did deads from the floor.[/quote]
To an observer, there probably doesn’t look like there’s much of a difference between my Stiff leg DL’s which I do for the hams, and the partial DL’s I do for my back. The movements look very similar, but I concentrate on stretching the hams when I do the stiff leg DL which makes all the difference in the world.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So for yall who who start fresh every rep, your sets are basically a cluster of singles then? A set of 6 is just 6 singles?[/quote]
“Start fresh” doesn’t mean you put the weight down and go get a drink of water. It means you are starting from the floor. I do sumo deadlifts. I pick the weight, I pout the weight down, reset, and pick it back up.
Also, “reset” is a term often used to describe MENTAL STATE. If a lifter bench presses a weight but knocks the handle on the way up throwing him off balance, you will often hear advice to “reset” the weight…meaning put it back down, and approach that exercise like the next time is the first rep.
That is how you avoid injury.[/quote]
For me it’s just letting the wieght settle for a brief second and then picking it back up. Not bouncing off the ground, but not taking 10 seconds inbetween reps with four or five leg pump thingies before lifting it back up. Those would be considered singles or rest pause imo.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I’m kinda confused here. Aren’t we merely talking about two different lifts, deadlift v. RDL? [/quote]
Sounds like it[/quote]
it’s not necessarily an RDL. The way Yates did them, and the way I do them, hits the upper back extremely well if you get your form right. My hams are not getting hit at all during these but they rape my traps.
I can’t dead from the floor because my mechanics are completely wrong for this lift, and trust me i’ve tried various styles over the years. It would not end well for me if I did deads from the floor.[/quote]
To an observer, there probably doesn’t look like there’s much of a difference between my Stiff leg DL’s which I do for the hams, and the partial DL’s I do for my back. The movements look very similar, but I concentrate on stretching the hams when I do the stiff leg DL which makes all the difference in the world.
[/quote]
yes, that’s exactly it. Just have to try it and make any necessary adjustments to hit the target muscles.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So for yall who who start fresh every rep, your sets are basically a cluster of singles then? A set of 6 is just 6 singles?[/quote]
If you stand up between reps then yea pretty much[/quote]
pros and cons of standing vs staying down?[/quote]
The only difference between the two is the tension in the body.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I’m kinda confused here. Aren’t we merely talking about two different lifts, deadlift v. RDL? [/quote]
Sounds like it[/quote]
it’s not necessarily an RDL. The way Yates did them, and the way I do them, hits the upper back extremely well if you get your form right. My hams are not getting hit at all during these but they rape my traps.
I can’t dead from the floor because my mechanics are completely wrong for this lift, and trust me i’ve tried various styles over the years. It would not end well for me if I did deads from the floor.[/quote]
More knee and ankle extension. Basically a Dimel deadlift.
I’ve had so much bad advice given me about deadlifts in the past, and over the years have really messed up my lower back and it didn’t take that much weight (e.g. I remember reading a few years ago that the lift, full range DL, should be done slowly because it’s dangerous lol)
Get a very experienced/knowledgeable lifter to teach you good form and to keep an eye on you (especially keeping the lower back tight), otherwise don’t even bother with it at all.
