^^^ To me you look like the fool for trying to argue on hockey players behalf. I imagine if we were to poll actual NHL players they’d admit that they’re not on the same level as basketball players in terms of athleticism. I really don’t see how you’re trying to argue this, other than the fact that you like to argue.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ To me you look like the fool for trying to argue on hockey players behalf. I imagine if we were to poll actual NHL players they’d admit that they’re not on the same level as basketball players in terms of athleticism. I really don’t see how you’re trying to argue this, other than the fact that you like to argue.[/quote]
I’m not arguing for hockey players. I’m calling your bullshit.
“I imagine if we were to poll actual NHL players they’d admit that they’re not on the same level as basketball players in terms of athleticism”
OMG this made my day. This may be the greatest instantly made up, pulled out of your magical ass, non-statistic statistic I’ve ever heard. even online. That’s awesome. AHAHAHAHAAA!!
Your answer to my pointing out the outrageous flaws in your argument is to “imagine” that “if” NHL players were “polled” they’d admit to not being on the “same level” athleticaly as basketball guys. AHAHAAHAAAA!!!
I would imagine that if we polled the people of this thread they would admit you aren’t on the same level intellectually as a butterfly. ← so there. This statement PROVES I’m right. It’s automatic win.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ To me you look like the fool for trying to argue on hockey players behalf. I imagine if we were to poll actual NHL players they’d admit that they’re not on the same level as basketball players in terms of athleticism. I really don’t see how you’re trying to argue this, other than the fact that you like to argue.[/quote]
WF, you guys are arguing but the debate isn’t even valid, Neither Hockey or Basketball has the Supreme althetes.
Wanna know how I know? Because they have specialized positions. One guy can’t cover all the “athletic” positions in just one sport, let alone along multiple sporting disciplines.
What BB player are you picking, Guard? Center? Forward?
Your Guard would be the only reasonable choice, and even still, they would get creamed in a bunch of other disciplines. Though they are built the most similarly to a decathalete, if they trained as a decathalete they would probably get pretty good.
All that being said, it’s exactly about what training they do. A Decathalete can do 10 olympic events really really good. A Basketball player can do 1 sport really really good. How did jordan do at baseball? On the other hand how were Bo Jackson and Deon sanders at baseball?
Bo Jackson was probably the single best athlete to ever live, He b=played baseball and football because thats where the money is. He would have been a great Decathalete.
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Jackson attended McAdory High School, where he rushed for 1,175 yards as a running back as a high school senior. Jackson also hit twenty home runs in twenty-five games for McAdory’s baseball team during his senior season. He was also a two-time state champion in the decathlon.[6]
So he WAS a 2 time state champ in the decathlon.
I think that seals the deal for me, Bo jackson is the best athlete of all time. He was an NFL running back, A state champion decathlete and a MLB outfielder.
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eric heiden dominated in a very very brutal sport… speed skating. then went on to race in an even harder sport . the tour of italy and tour de france. an amazing great athlete there!!
years ago, rick berry who is one of the top 50 basketball players of all time was good enough to play pro tennis and pro golf, per tennis pros and golf pros…
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Fezzik wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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95% of the people in America can hardly even be considered athletic–this is not impressive veggie. And being competent basically sounds like you could play a pickup game and not be the worst person out there. Worst of all though… GOLF?? Look, I get that you have to be really coordinated to excel, but it doesn’t require much athletic ability at all, just practice. My brother in law is the least athletic guy I know, and he is great at golf.
I can’t even tell if you are being cocky or modest here actually. The top 10% for all males is unimpressive. Like I said, most people are just fat.[/quote]
Reading comprehenshion my dear fezzik. I said 90% of MEN on the planet or 98% if I had a year to do nothing but train (this is only in order to compensate for professional athletes.) America isn’t the world, there are many countries where there is no obesety problems.
Anyways, Decathalete still stands. Multiple disciplines across the human performance spectrum. It’s the definition, and the answer to this question.
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You said you are faster than 95% of the people you know, and your location is NY. New Yorkers are fatter than most in America. AWESOME!
But I was only busting your chops anyway
Best in shape that I’d want to be, high end combat athletes. Next is pro football receiver or tailback. To me they can move, exhibit great speed, are strong, and very agile.
But anyone will tell you, nothing gasses you like fighting and nothing is more basic to survival to kicking someone’s ass to save your ass.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ To me you look like the fool for trying to argue on hockey players behalf. I imagine if we were to poll actual NHL players they’d admit that they’re not on the same level as basketball players in terms of athleticism. I really don’t see how you’re trying to argue this, other than the fact that you like to argue.[/quote]
WF, you guys are arguing but the debate isn’t even valid, Neither Hockey or Basketball has the Supreme althetes.
Wanna know how I know? Because they have specialized positions. One guy can’t cover all the “athletic” positions in just one sport, let alone along multiple sporting disciplines.
What BB player are you picking, Guard? Center? Forward?
Your Guard would be the only reasonable choice, and even still, they would get creamed in a bunch of other disciplines. Though they are built the most similarly to a decathalete, if they trained as a decathalete they would probably get pretty good.
All that being said, it’s exactly about what training they do. A Decathalete can do 10 olympic events really really good. A Basketball player can do 1 sport really really good. How did jordan do at baseball? On the other hand how were Bo Jackson and Deon sanders at baseball?
Bo Jackson was probably the single best athlete to ever live, He b=played baseball and football because thats where the money is. He would have been a great Decathalete.
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Uh Jordan was really, really good at baseball. Better than 99% of everyone who has ever played.
While hockey does have different positions, the physical differences between players at each position are virtually non-existant.
Finally, you should consider your comment about “where the money is”. You’re bang on, and that totally sinks the decathlete argument. Track athletes would be playing baseball, basketball, soccer, or whatever if they could because that is where the money is. Decathletes are typically guys who weren’t quite good enough to excel at individual events so they become generalists. Their training might make them the most well rounded, but they certainly aren’t the best natural athlete out there. If top players from other sports decided they didn’t want money and fame and spent all their life training for the decathlon, I’m sure they would be better than the current group of decathletes.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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I don’t put up the decathlete as high as some competitive athletes because they don’t really change direction. The agility thing is missing. They have great components, but are they tied together? And that tied together is what gives us the ole football speed, hand eye coordination agility thingie.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Jackson attended McAdory High School, where he rushed for 1,175 yards as a running back as a high school senior. Jackson also hit twenty home runs in twenty-five games for McAdory’s baseball team during his senior season. He was also a two-time state champion in the decathlon.[6]
So he WAS a 2 time state champ in the decathlon.
I think that seals the deal for me, Bo jackson is the best athlete of all time. He was an NFL running back, A state champion decathlete and a MLB outfielder.
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Google Lebron James and Highschool football.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ To me you look like the fool for trying to argue on hockey players behalf. I imagine if we were to poll actual NHL players they’d admit that they’re not on the same level as basketball players in terms of athleticism. I really don’t see how you’re trying to argue this, other than the fact that you like to argue.[/quote]
I’m not arguing for hockey players. I’m calling your bullshit.
“I imagine if we were to poll actual NHL players they’d admit that they’re not on the same level as basketball players in terms of athleticism”
OMG this made my day. This may be the greatest instantly made up, pulled out of your magical ass, non-statistic statistic I’ve ever heard. even online. That’s awesome. AHAHAHAHAAA!!
Your answer to my pointing out the outrageous flaws in your argument is to “imagine” that “if” NHL players were “polled” they’d admit to not being on the “same level” athleticaly as basketball guys. AHAHAAHAAAA!!!
I would imagine that if we polled the people of this thread they would admit you aren’t on the same level intellectually as a butterfly. ← so there. This statement PROVES I’m right. It’s automatic win.[/quote]
You really think a fucking hockey player wouldn’t admit that they don’t have the speed, stamina, dexterity, or overall athleticism of a basketball player? Me and my butterfly wings are gonna fly out here now 'cause we’re tired of dealing with a moron.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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I don’t put up the decathlete as high as some competitive athletes because they don’t really change direction. The agility thing is missing. They have great components, but are they tied together? And that tied together is what gives us the ole football speed, hand eye coordination agility thingie.[/quote]
Discuss Takes agility, Hurdles take agility.
The strength of the Decathlon is that the events do not take a ming blowing amount of “skill” to master. It’s your athleticism which makes you better, not your skill at a particular thing.
Basketball requires athleticism, but it’s the skill that separates the good from the great.
Football requires Athletecism, but it’s skill that separates the good from the great.
I can repeat this with every major sport. The decathlon however, you are testing your athleticism against other men, hands down.
My point stands, Bo Jackson was a 2 time State champion at the decathlon and he ended up being a top level pro at baseball and football.
Are we talking skill, or athletic ability, the two are not the same thing. A Ping Pong player can be skilled but not athletic, a golfer can be skilled but not athletic, a baseball player can be skilled but not athletic. ETC…
Is anyone going to argue that an NFL offensive lineman has mor athleticism then a decathlete? No, they are specialized, they have skill, they are not athletic.
The ultimate athlete is not necissarily the very best at any one thing, but they are also not weak in any one thing. They could be the best in one thing and very good at everything else.
Also, I’m not saying anything about basketball being easy or anything else being easy, but the best athlete is determined by who wins the decathlon in the olympics. It is what the definition is. Simple events that match athleticism between competitors.
Shot Put - Strength, explosive Power.
Discuss - Agility, balancy, strentgh, explosive power.
Javelin - Flexibility, Balance, Explosive power.
High jump - Agility, Jumping explosiveness
Long Jump - Speed, Jumping exlposiveness
Pole vault - Strength, speed, Flexibility, Agility
100M - Speed
110M Hurdles - Speed, Agility
400M - Speed, Endurance, Pain tolerance
1500M - Endurance
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ To me you look like the fool for trying to argue on hockey players behalf. I imagine if we were to poll actual NHL players they’d admit that they’re not on the same level as basketball players in terms of athleticism. I really don’t see how you’re trying to argue this, other than the fact that you like to argue.[/quote]
I’m not arguing for hockey players. I’m calling your bullshit.
“I imagine if we were to poll actual NHL players they’d admit that they’re not on the same level as basketball players in terms of athleticism”
OMG this made my day. This may be the greatest instantly made up, pulled out of your magical ass, non-statistic statistic I’ve ever heard. even online. That’s awesome. AHAHAHAHAAA!!
Your answer to my pointing out the outrageous flaws in your argument is to “imagine” that “if” NHL players were “polled” they’d admit to not being on the “same level” athleticaly as basketball guys. AHAHAAHAAAA!!!
I would imagine that if we polled the people of this thread they would admit you aren’t on the same level intellectually as a butterfly. ← so there. This statement PROVES I’m right. It’s automatic win.[/quote]
You really think a fucking hockey player wouldn’t admit that they don’t have the speed, stamina, dexterity, or overall athleticism of a basketball player? Me and my butterfly wings are gonna fly out here now 'cause we’re tired of dealing with a moron.[/quote]
WF, I think if you took the top 5 athletes from the NBA vs the top 5 from the NHL, the nba guys would come out on top most of the time. But they would not steamroll the hockey players. I have only watched hockey consistently for the past two or so years but the level of athleticism the guys show on ice is pretty ridiculous
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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I can kick the shit out of you while confined to a wheelchair after your sister broke my dick riding the shit out of it, so that makes me more fit than you.[/quote]
Ok, Take away your Truck keys and I’ll Chael Sonnen you. LOL
Also I could make you chase me for a couple miles and then turn and beat the shit out of you.
Or there could be a gun 100 meters away and we could have to race for it and I would beat you to it and kill you with it.
Or, Or, Or, ahhh nevermind, just cut my fucking heads off and get it over with.
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My truck keys! Lol, almost forget about that little ace up the sleeve! If there was a gun 100 meters away, I’d just…fuck it. I’ll just slit your fucking throat.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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I don’t put up the decathlete as high as some competitive athletes because they don’t really change direction. The agility thing is missing. They have great components, but are they tied together? And that tied together is what gives us the ole football speed, hand eye coordination agility thingie.[/quote]
Discuss Takes agility, Hurdles take agility.
The strength of the Decathlon is that the events do not take a ming blowing amount of “skill” to master. It’s your athleticism which makes you better, not your skill at a particular thing.
Basketball requires athleticism, but it’s the skill that separates the good from the great.
Football requires Athletecism, but it’s skill that separates the good from the great.
I can repeat this with every major sport. The decathlon however, you are testing your athleticism against other men, hands down.
My point stands, Bo Jackson was a 2 time State champion at the decathlon and he ended up being a top level pro at baseball and football.
Are we talking skill, or athletic ability, the two are not the same thing. A Ping Pong player can be skilled but not athletic, a golfer can be skilled but not athletic, a baseball player can be skilled but not athletic. ETC…
Is anyone going to argue that an NFL offensive lineman has mor athleticism then a decathlete? No, they are specialized, they have skill, they are not athletic.
The ultimate athlete is not necissarily the very best at any one thing, but they are also not weak in any one thing. They could be the best in one thing and very good at everything else.
Also, I’m not saying anything about basketball being easy or anything else being easy, but the best athlete is determined by who wins the decathlon in the olympics. It is what the definition is. Simple events that match athleticism between competitors.
Shot Put - Strength, explosive Power.
Discuss - Agility, balancy, strentgh, explosive power.
Javelin - Flexibility, Balance, Explosive power.
High jump - Agility, Jumping explosiveness
Long Jump - Speed, Jumping exlposiveness
Pole vault - Strength, speed, Flexibility, Agility
100M - Speed
110M Hurdles - Speed, Agility
400M - Speed, Endurance, Pain tolerance
1500M - Endurance
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If that is how you are measuring this, then wouldn’t a high level MMA fighter be on the same page? I mean a guy like GSP, or A. Silva, or Fedor, a fighter who is a high level fighters across several combat sports.
told you so … 50000000 post on this subject. all posted by below average athletes i bet…
[quote]spk wrote:
told you so … 50000000 post on this subject. all posted by below average athletes i bet…[/quote]
I posted my track times/distances in the “sporting background” thread. You can go there and tsee if I’m a below average athlete.
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
You really think a fucking hockey player wouldn’t admit that they don’t have the speed, stamina, dexterity, or overall athleticism of a basketball player? Me and my butterfly wings are gonna fly out here now 'cause we’re tired of dealing with a moron.[/quote]
speed stamina dexterity and athleticism AT WHAT?
How bout this. NBA guys vs NHL guys at basketball followed by a hockey contest. NBA guys do worse at hockey than NHL guys at BBall.
But, regardless, your only argument is because you “think” a hockey guy “would admit” something. Get real. You’re an idiot.
[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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I don’t put up the decathlete as high as some competitive athletes because they don’t really change direction. The agility thing is missing. They have great components, but are they tied together? And that tied together is what gives us the ole football speed, hand eye coordination agility thingie.[/quote]
Discuss Takes agility, Hurdles take agility.
The strength of the Decathlon is that the events do not take a ming blowing amount of “skill” to master. It’s your athleticism which makes you better, not your skill at a particular thing.
Basketball requires athleticism, but it’s the skill that separates the good from the great.
Football requires Athletecism, but it’s skill that separates the good from the great.
I can repeat this with every major sport. The decathlon however, you are testing your athleticism against other men, hands down.
My point stands, Bo Jackson was a 2 time State champion at the decathlon and he ended up being a top level pro at baseball and football.
Are we talking skill, or athletic ability, the two are not the same thing. A Ping Pong player can be skilled but not athletic, a golfer can be skilled but not athletic, a baseball player can be skilled but not athletic. ETC…
Is anyone going to argue that an NFL offensive lineman has mor athleticism then a decathlete? No, they are specialized, they have skill, they are not athletic.
The ultimate athlete is not necissarily the very best at any one thing, but they are also not weak in any one thing. They could be the best in one thing and very good at everything else.
Also, I’m not saying anything about basketball being easy or anything else being easy, but the best athlete is determined by who wins the decathlon in the olympics. It is what the definition is. Simple events that match athleticism between competitors.
Shot Put - Strength, explosive Power.
Discuss - Agility, balancy, strentgh, explosive power.
Javelin - Flexibility, Balance, Explosive power.
High jump - Agility, Jumping explosiveness
Long Jump - Speed, Jumping exlposiveness
Pole vault - Strength, speed, Flexibility, Agility
100M - Speed
110M Hurdles - Speed, Agility
400M - Speed, Endurance, Pain tolerance
1500M - Endurance
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If that is how you are measuring this, then wouldn’t a high level MMA fighter be on the same page? I mean a guy like GSP, or A. Silva, or Fedor, a fighter who is a high level fighters across several combat sports. [/quote]
It is too skill based IMO,
You can have a guy who is extremely skilled in BJJ submit guys who are way more athletic. Thats not saying guys who are highly skilled AND athletic won’t rise to the top, but Pure athleticism does not make you a great MMA fighter. Melvin Gerrard would be a good example.
On the other hand, you cannot skill your way through the decathlon. You HAVE to be the best athlete.
All of the sports listed have examples of great athletes, but that is only part of why they are great. There are many guys in those sports which also were great who were not great athletes. So being a great athlete will help you in nearly every sport, but it is not a pre-requisite to being great in those sports.
It is a pre-requisite to competing at even a HS level for the decathlon.
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