[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Honestly I know next to nothing about hockey.[/quote]
Clearly you don’t by what you proceeded to say afterwords. Off-ice they train in the same way athletes of many other sports do. If you take away their skates, yes, their speed slows significantly but it takes much more power to skate than it does to run.[/quote]
??? How does it take more power to skate than to run?[/quote]
I would say the resistance on ice is far greater than the road, field etc and requires more power. There are more than a handful of articles discussing the insane leg development of speed skaters, luge etc.
I was impressed to see a few people put up Australian Rules football players up there, I didn’t think the sport really took off in the USA. I’ve admired the fitness of these players when growing up - power, speed, agility, vertical leap, tackles - all across a field 150 metres long with 18 other blokes that want to rip your head off.
Other sports:
Basketball (respect)
MMA Fighters
Sprinters (400m and below), Hurdlers
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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I can kick the shit out of you while confined to a wheelchair after your sister broke my dick riding the shit out of it, so that makes me more fit than you.[/quote]
Ok, Take away your Truck keys and I’ll Chael Sonnen you. LOL
Also I could make you chase me for a couple miles and then turn and beat the shit out of you.
Or there could be a gun 100 meters away and we could have to race for it and I would beat you to it and kill you with it.
Or, Or, Or, ahhh nevermind, just cut my fucking heads off and get it over with.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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95% of the people in America can hardly even be considered athletic–this is not impressive veggie. And being competent basically sounds like you could play a pickup game and not be the worst person out there. Worst of all though… GOLF?? Look, I get that you have to be really coordinated to excel, but it doesn’t require much athletic ability at all, just practice. My brother in law is the least athletic guy I know, and he is great at golf.
I can’t even tell if you are being cocky or modest here actually. The top 10% for all males is unimpressive. Like I said, most people are just fat.[/quote]
Reading comprehenshion my dear fezzik. I said 90% of MEN on the planet or 98% if I had a year to do nothing but train (this is only in order to compensate for professional athletes.) America isn’t the world, there are many countries where there is no obesety problems.
Anyways, Decathalete still stands. Multiple disciplines across the human performance spectrum. It’s the definition, and the answer to this question.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Honestly I know next to nothing about hockey.[/quote]
Clearly you don’t by what you proceeded to say afterwords. Off-ice they train in the same way athletes of many other sports do. If you take away their skates, yes, their speed slows significantly but it takes much more power to skate than it does to run.[/quote]
??? How does it take more power to skate than to run?[/quote]
My take is that it does. You can skate a lot fast than you can run, but it also consumes more energy.
to whiteflash:
No where in the definition of athletic does it mention that the athleticism take place on regular terrain. The fact that NHL players display their athleticism on ice doesn’t detract from the athleticism.
This is akin to saying Phelps isn’t a good athlete because he’d suck at marathons. Why is running speed more “athletic” than skating speed?
Oh, and BTW swimmers are good athletes too. [/quote]
That’s like asking if Mario Andretti is as fast as Usain Bolt.
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No, it’s nothing like that. If that’s the way you took it, you completely missed my point.
Where did I say those qualities are only measurable on dry land? I didn’t. At this point I could care less what you have to say about this topic. Hockey players are nowhere near the athletes basketball players are. End of discussion.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Honestly I know next to nothing about hockey.[/quote]
Clearly you don’t by what you proceeded to say afterwords. Off-ice they train in the same way athletes of many other sports do. If you take away their skates, yes, their speed slows significantly but it takes much more power to skate than it does to run.[/quote]
??? How does it take more power to skate than to run?[/quote]
My take is that it does. You can skate a lot fast than you can run, but it also consumes more energy.
to whiteflash:
No where in the definition of athletic does it mention that the athleticism take place on regular terrain. The fact that NHL players display their athleticism on ice doesn’t detract from the athleticism.
This is akin to saying Phelps isn’t a good athlete because he’d suck at marathons. Why is running speed more “athletic” than skating speed?
Oh, and BTW swimmers are good athletes too. [/quote]
That’s like asking if Mario Andretti is as fast as Usain Bolt.
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No, it’s nothing like that. If that’s the way you took it, you completely missed my point.
I know you’ve mentioned it before WF, but if you have no idea on a particular subject (this being hockey) why do you comment on it as if you know what it takes to excel as a hockey player? The amount of training it takes during the off season and on season is ridiculous. The first thing I think of when I hear over training is professional hockey players.
When I watch a basketball game on tv, all I see is 5 dudes slowly making their way up the court while 5 other dudes walk slightly faster backwards to avoid people getting behind them. Then they hold onto the ball for up to 24seconds or whatever it is and pass it around while moving every few seconds.
However the last thing that I want to do is get into a debate. I just wanted to throw something in here. And I know basketball is a lot more than what I wrote above (in playoffs i guess), I just can’t stand watching the sport so I’m just a little biased :). Also I know nothing much about it either lol so I probably shouldn’t be saying this but whatever, when in rome.
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^^hahahahahahaha you start your post off by calling out WF for apparently commenting on Hockey when you say he has no knowledge about hockey and then you admittedly do the exact same thing about basketball (which is WF’s area of expertise) but you say you’re not trying to start a debate about it with your comment as if that makes it ok? lulz[/quote]
Exactly! So take it for what its worth! Who really cares who the fittest athletes are? It is obviously going to come down to each person. And no where did I say that basketball players weren’t fit. No where did I say hockey players were more fit than basketball players. No where did I question their skill and all the atributes it takes to become an all-star basketball player. I didn’t even say that it takes no skill, speed, agility, coordination etc to walk down a basketball court. I obviously wasn’t being serious, was it that hard to detect? If it was, sorry. I’m a little foggy from work. My point was that you can’t call out hockey players and their training, speed, agility, coordination etc. if you haven’t played it competitively. [/quote]
Who says I haven’t played? I was on a club team here in Houston in the 6th grade but dropped after my folks couldn’t afford all of the equipment. Hockey is hard. The guys who play it are athletic. Basketball requires a great deal more athleticism. It’s really that simple.
Where did I say those qualities are only measurable on dry land? I didn’t. At this point I could care less what you have to say about this topic. Hockey players are nowhere near the athletes basketball players are. End of discussion.
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Then you were comparing on court basketball to on ice hockey? That’s awfully hard to do. You would have to put them on a similar medium.
Once again, how did you get an idea of the athleticism of hockey players by meeting them?
You admit to knowing nothing about a sport and then make huge unsubstantiated “definitive” statements about the content of that sport.
You may not care what i have to say, but you look like a fool on this thread. If you are okay with that, sure, we can end the discussion.
Who says I haven’t played? I was on a club team here in Houston in the 6th grade but dropped after my folks couldn’t afford all of the equipment. Hockey is hard. The guys who play it are athletic. Basketball requires a great deal more athleticism. It’s really that simple.[/quote]
LOL. Yeah, 6th grade knowledge is great for evaluating the athleticism of NHL players.
