Although some may not consider it a sport, the gymnasts on the rings are some of the strongest pound for pound athletes I have ever seen.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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I can kick the shit out of you while confined to a wheelchair after your sister broke my dick riding the shit out of it, so that makes me more fit than you.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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95% of the people in America can hardly even be considered athletic–this is not impressive veggie. And being competent basically sounds like you could play a pickup game and not be the worst person out there. Worst of all though… GOLF?? Look, I get that you have to be really coordinated to excel, but it doesn’t require much athletic ability at all, just practice. My brother in law is the least athletic guy I know, and he is great at golf.
I can’t even tell if you are being cocky or modest here actually. The top 10% for all males is unimpressive. Like I said, most people are just fat.
To the OP, I don’t think any sport produces athletes that are great at all of those categories (save maybe for the decathlete who basically directly trains all of those categories). Olympic lifters don’t generally have great endurance for instance.
Anyway, what I think makes an impressive athlete is size, strength, speed, and coordination. Someone who could really be great at pretty much any sport like Bo Jackson or LBJ
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]jahall wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]kakno wrote:
Didn’t Poliquin say something about pole vaulters being the best?
Great strength and coordination
Great speed
Balls
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I’ve heard this several times.[/quote]
I know a state champ pole vaulter who is completely un-athletic at everything else she does. So i refuse to believe this.[/quote]
What state? Backwoods Alabama?
Try a state where PV is on the map. Any high school state champ from California, Washington, Oregon, select heartland states and several eastern states is a flippin stud. Allison Stokke pictured above is a total stud and she got destroyed by another Cali girl in the state meet.
My guess is the girl you know is still a way better athlete than you have any idea.
There’s a baseball scout who wanted to dig for unknown talent. He got a vaulter named Tommy Skipper who never played baseball in his life and some Decathlete to do a try out. The Decathlete had no aptitude. Tommy Skipper wiffed at all the first pitches thrown to him, 20 minutes later he was banging balls off the outfield wall. He was humming 90mph throws in from the outfield, and of course, he’s blazing fast. He was offered a contract worth hundreds of thousands.[/quote]
That makes no sense. A high level decathlete tends to be a pretty damn good pole vaulter.
I was of the opinion that they should be regarded as the “fittest” athlete since they are provably fit across multiple disciplines emphasising speed, power and endurance. Couple that with the events being run over only 2 days, they have to have excellent general fitness to simply be able to back up at a high level.
The only real argument I see against it is that they don’t get hit during their sport, so that specific type of fitness/endurance isn’t tested.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
How in the name of fuck is Decathalete mentioned once and no one gave it seconds. Sprinting, Jumping, Distance running, Mid distance, Throwing, Hurdles, Pole Vault, Javelin etc… The best decathalete is the best overall athlete on the planet. Hands down, no questions asked.
On a personal level, thats easy. It’s me. I am faster than 95% of everyone I know in a sprint. I am faster than 95% of the people I know in a 5K. I am faster than 95% of people I know in a 10K. I can pick up and play at a competent level the following. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, I currently play at a high amateur level, Golf, & Volleyball.
I would estimate that if I asked every male on the planet to pick 10 events or 5 sports and I got to pick 10 events or 5 sports, and we were judged on them or competed in them where applicable, I would beat 90% of the human male population including a good number of professional althetes who are sport specific stars. If I could prepare for 1 full year and do nothing but train I would raise that number to 98%
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My Skillz at VB are pretty sick. I would like to pick up golf again. The V-ball thing was accidental. While playing football, during the winter when I wasn’t wrestling all there was to do was play volleyball and lift weights.
Although I loath beach volleyball, mostly because when I take off my shirt thousands of people come and start throwing water on me and try to push me back into the water and they always call me Shamu, very non-productive to me playing beach v-ball so I stick to the hard floor.
Oh my real vote, Bull riders, only because most of them aren’t huge/fat. I’d say steer wrestling, but most of those guys can be fat, and I’m not very fit but I’m pretty damn good at it. However getting on a 2000 lb bull and riding while controlling their bodies for 8 seconds, gotta be pretty fit.
My vote is Ty Murry mostly because I know him personally and he was on dancing with the stars. World Champion Cowboy and Dancer…plus he bulldogged a monster bull elk off a ski mobile.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]PaddyM wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Honestly I know next to nothing about hockey.[/quote]
Clearly you don’t by what you proceeded to say afterwords. Off-ice they train in the same way athletes of many other sports do. If you take away their skates, yes, their speed slows significantly but it takes much more power to skate than it does to run.[/quote]
??? How does it take more power to skate than to run?[/quote]
My take is that it does. You can skate a lot fast than you can run, but it also consumes more energy.
to whiteflash:
No where in the definition of athletic does it mention that the athleticism take place on regular terrain. The fact that NHL players display their athleticism on ice doesn’t detract from the athleticism.
This is akin to saying Phelps isn’t a good athlete because he’d suck at marathons. Why is running speed more “athletic” than skating speed?
Oh, and BTW swimmers are good athletes too. [/quote]
That’s like asking if Mario Andretti is as fast as Usain Bolt.
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No, it’s nothing like that. If that’s the way you took it, you completely missed my point.
I know you’ve mentioned it before WF, but if you have no idea on a particular subject (this being hockey) why do you comment on it as if you know what it takes to excel as a hockey player? The amount of training it takes during the off season and on season is ridiculous. The first thing I think of when I hear over training is professional hockey players.
When I watch a basketball game on tv, all I see is 5 dudes slowly making their way up the court while 5 other dudes walk slightly faster backwards to avoid people getting behind them. Then they hold onto the ball for up to 24seconds or whatever it is and pass it around while moving every few seconds.
However the last thing that I want to do is get into a debate. I just wanted to throw something in here. And I know basketball is a lot more than what I wrote above (in playoffs i guess), I just can’t stand watching the sport so I’m just a little biased :). Also I know nothing much about it either lol so I probably shouldn’t be saying this but whatever, when in rome.
BOXERS
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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]PaddyM wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Honestly I know next to nothing about hockey.[/quote]
Clearly you don’t by what you proceeded to say afterwords. Off-ice they train in the same way athletes of many other sports do. If you take away their skates, yes, their speed slows significantly but it takes much more power to skate than it does to run.[/quote]
??? How does it take more power to skate than to run?[/quote]
My take is that it does. You can skate a lot fast than you can run, but it also consumes more energy.
to whiteflash:
No where in the definition of athletic does it mention that the athleticism take place on regular terrain. The fact that NHL players display their athleticism on ice doesn’t detract from the athleticism.
This is akin to saying Phelps isn’t a good athlete because he’d suck at marathons. Why is running speed more “athletic” than skating speed?
Oh, and BTW swimmers are good athletes too. [/quote]
That’s like asking if Mario Andretti is as fast as Usain Bolt.
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No, it’s nothing like that. If that’s the way you took it, you completely missed my point.
I know you’ve mentioned it before WF, but if you have no idea on a particular subject (this being hockey) why do you comment on it as if you know what it takes to excel as a hockey player? The amount of training it takes during the off season and on season is ridiculous. The first thing I think of when I hear over training is professional hockey players.
When I watch a basketball game on tv, all I see is 5 dudes slowly making their way up the court while 5 other dudes walk slightly faster backwards to avoid people getting behind them. Then they hold onto the ball for up to 24seconds or whatever it is and pass it around while moving every few seconds.
However the last thing that I want to do is get into a debate. I just wanted to throw something in here. And I know basketball is a lot more than what I wrote above (in playoffs i guess), I just can’t stand watching the sport so I’m just a little biased :). Also I know nothing much about it either lol so I probably shouldn’t be saying this but whatever, when in rome.
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^^hahahahahahaha you start your post off by calling out WF for apparently commenting on Hockey when you say he has no knowledge about hockey and then you admittedly do the exact same thing about basketball (which is WF’s area of expertise) but you say you’re not trying to start a debate about it with your comment as if that makes it ok? lulz
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Oh my real vote, Bull riders, only because most of them aren’t huge/fat. I’d say steer wrestling, but most of those guys can be fat, and I’m not very fit but I’m pretty damn good at it. However getting on a 2000 lb bull and riding while controlling their bodies for 8 seconds, gotta be pretty fit.
My vote is Ty Murry mostly because I know him personally and he was on dancing with the stars. World Champion Cowboy and Dancer…plus he bulldogged a monster bull elk off a ski mobile. [/quote]
Triple post wasn’t my fault. Figures it would be a stupid post that goes into uncontrolled mitosis.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Oh my real vote, Bull riders, only because most of them aren’t huge/fat. I’d say steer wrestling, but most of those guys can be fat, and I’m not very fit but I’m pretty damn good at it. However getting on a 2000 lb bull and riding while controlling their bodies for 8 seconds, gotta be pretty fit.
My vote is Ty Murry mostly because I know him personally and he was on dancing with the stars. World Champion Cowboy and Dancer…plus he bulldogged a monster bull elk off a ski mobile. [/quote]
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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Oh my real vote, Bull riders, only because most of them aren’t huge/fat. I’d say steer wrestling, but most of those guys can be fat, and I’m not very fit but I’m pretty damn good at it. However getting on a 2000 lb bull and riding while controlling their bodies for 8 seconds, gotta be pretty fit.
My vote is Ty Murry mostly because I know him personally and he was on dancing with the stars. World Champion Cowboy and Dancer…plus he bulldogged a monster bull elk off a ski mobile. [/quote]
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[quote]smokotime wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]jahall wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]kakno wrote:
Didn’t Poliquin say something about pole vaulters being the best?
Great strength and coordination
Great speed
Balls
[/quote]
I’ve heard this several times.[/quote]
I know a state champ pole vaulter who is completely un-athletic at everything else she does. So i refuse to believe this.[/quote]
What state? Backwoods Alabama?
Try a state where PV is on the map. Any high school state champ from California, Washington, Oregon, select heartland states and several eastern states is a flippin stud. Allison Stokke pictured above is a total stud and she got destroyed by another Cali girl in the state meet.
My guess is the girl you know is still a way better athlete than you have any idea.
There’s a baseball scout who wanted to dig for unknown talent. He got a vaulter named Tommy Skipper who never played baseball in his life and some Decathlete to do a try out. The Decathlete had no aptitude. Tommy Skipper wiffed at all the first pitches thrown to him, 20 minutes later he was banging balls off the outfield wall. He was humming 90mph throws in from the outfield, and of course, he’s blazing fast. He was offered a contract worth hundreds of thousands.[/quote]
That makes no sense. A high level decathlete tends to be a pretty damn good pole vaulter.
I was of the opinion that they should be regarded as the “fittest” athlete since they are provably fit across multiple disciplines emphasising speed, power and endurance. Couple that with the events being run over only 2 days, they have to have excellent general fitness to simply be able to back up at a high level.
The only real argument I see against it is that they don’t get hit during their sport, so that specific type of fitness/endurance isn’t tested.[/quote]
I’m clueless as to how your post is related to mine.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]PaddyM wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Honestly I know next to nothing about hockey.[/quote]
Clearly you don’t by what you proceeded to say afterwords. Off-ice they train in the same way athletes of many other sports do. If you take away their skates, yes, their speed slows significantly but it takes much more power to skate than it does to run.[/quote]
??? How does it take more power to skate than to run?[/quote]
My take is that it does. You can skate a lot fast than you can run, but it also consumes more energy.
to whiteflash:
No where in the definition of athletic does it mention that the athleticism take place on regular terrain. The fact that NHL players display their athleticism on ice doesn’t detract from the athleticism.
This is akin to saying Phelps isn’t a good athlete because he’d suck at marathons. Why is running speed more “athletic” than skating speed?
Oh, and BTW swimmers are good athletes too. [/quote]
That’s like asking if Mario Andretti is as fast as Usain Bolt.
[/quote]
No, it’s nothing like that. If that’s the way you took it, you completely missed my point.
I know you’ve mentioned it before WF, but if you have no idea on a particular subject (this being hockey) why do you comment on it as if you know what it takes to excel as a hockey player? The amount of training it takes during the off season and on season is ridiculous. The first thing I think of when I hear over training is professional hockey players.
When I watch a basketball game on tv, all I see is 5 dudes slowly making their way up the court while 5 other dudes walk slightly faster backwards to avoid people getting behind them. Then they hold onto the ball for up to 24seconds or whatever it is and pass it around while moving every few seconds.
However the last thing that I want to do is get into a debate. I just wanted to throw something in here. And I know basketball is a lot more than what I wrote above (in playoffs i guess), I just can’t stand watching the sport so I’m just a little biased :). Also I know nothing much about it either lol so I probably shouldn’t be saying this but whatever, when in rome.
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^^hahahahahahaha you start your post off by calling out WF for apparently commenting on Hockey when you say he has no knowledge about hockey and then you admittedly do the exact same thing about basketball (which is WF’s area of expertise) but you say you’re not trying to start a debate about it with your comment as if that makes it ok? lulz[/quote]
Exactly! So take it for what its worth! Who really cares who the fittest athletes are? It is obviously going to come down to each person. And no where did I say that basketball players weren’t fit. No where did I say hockey players were more fit than basketball players. No where did I question their skill and all the atributes it takes to become an all-star basketball player. I didn’t even say that it takes no skill, speed, agility, coordination etc to walk down a basketball court. I obviously wasn’t being serious, was it that hard to detect? If it was, sorry. I’m a little foggy from work. My point was that you can’t call out hockey players and their training, speed, agility, coordination etc. if you haven’t played it competitively.
“Fitness” is activity-specific, not a universal quality. You cannot compare athletes across sports.
Golf!
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]PaddyM wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Honestly I know next to nothing about hockey.[/quote]
Clearly you don’t by what you proceeded to say afterwords. Off-ice they train in the same way athletes of many other sports do. If you take away their skates, yes, their speed slows significantly but it takes much more power to skate than it does to run.[/quote]
??? How does it take more power to skate than to run?[/quote]
My take is that it does. You can skate a lot fast than you can run, but it also consumes more energy.
to whiteflash:
No where in the definition of athletic does it mention that the athleticism take place on regular terrain. The fact that NHL players display their athleticism on ice doesn’t detract from the athleticism.
This is akin to saying Phelps isn’t a good athlete because he’d suck at marathons. Why is running speed more “athletic” than skating speed?
Oh, and BTW swimmers are good athletes too. [/quote]
That’s like asking if Mario Andretti is as fast as Usain Bolt. And, I’ve read about some NHL ironman awards and have met a few of the IHL players, and they are big dudes. But, their agility, quickness, speed and overall athleticism is not at the level of basketball players.[/quote]
You’re from texas and you clearly know fuck all about hockey.
I’ve played countless sports on the ESPN list and I agree with it for the most part. American football is inflated to the high end. MMA and Decathlon would have 2 of the top 3 sports for sure had they been included. On the other hand, comparing my experience in football and rugby, rugby should be relatively scored higher, especially the no helmet/no pads thing, plus all the eye gouging, raking and shit that can happen in a tight scrum.
[quote]on edge wrote:
I’m clueless as to how your post is related to mine.
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I was referring to:
[quote]on edge wrote:
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There’s a baseball scout who wanted to dig for unknown talent. He got a vaulter named Tommy Skipper who never played baseball in his life and some Decathlete to do a try out. The Decathlete had no aptitude. Tommy Skipper wiffed at all the first pitches thrown to him, 20 minutes later he was banging balls off the outfield wall. He was humming 90mph throws in from the outfield, and of course, he’s blazing fast. He was offered a contract worth hundreds of thousands.
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It didn’t make sense to me saying that a pole vaulter is a stud while a decathlete is a dud, when a decathlete is by definition a competitive pole vaulter.
What do you guys think of badminton? I think it requires a huge amount of athleticism, but most people consider it a sissy sport. I always thought it requires more athleticism than tennis.