Too Soon?

Pharma / TRT
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I just got off a 12 week cycle which ended in mid-April, PCT ended about two weeks ago. I ran HCG the first 6 weeks and I “feel” fully recovered now- meaning libido is back to normal. Can’t get blood work done as I’m not insured so that’s all I have to base my opinion on. Normally I wouldn’t be so quick to try and jump back on but I’m trying to prep for a contest which is about 14 weeks out from now.

I wouldn’t be starting the cycle for another two weeks and I would only run it for six weeks as I need to make sure it’s out of my system (anciliaries as well) before the comp. I’m looking at running probably just Test Prop and Anavar, maybe Tren Ace, and maybe a small amount of T3 and albuterol.
If just prop and anavar I’d probably do something like 700mg/prop wk + 100mg/var a day
Or 500mg/wk Tren Ace+ 250mg/wk Test prop + 50-100mg/var a day

I know you’re technically ‘recovered’ after PCT but does anyone foresee any issues with this? Should I run HCG on this one to make recovery smoother as well and possibly run a shorter PCT like maybe only 2-3 weeks?

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Out of interest do you need all drugs etc out of your system because your upcoming contest is tested?

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if it’s a natural show then you’re a little shit for juicing

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
if it’s a natural show then you’re a little shit for juicing[/quote]

Yeah because nobody else would ever think to do that…

#ridinghighonmyhighhorse

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[quote]GirthBrooks wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
if it’s a natural show then you’re a little shit for juicing[/quote]

Yeah because nobody else would ever think to do that…

#ridinghighonmyhighhorse[/quote]

you’ve just outed yourself as a total douche

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lol OP you are a classsy mofo.

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Just compete in an untested show.

I think anyone that ever used steroids should never compete in a natural show again, ever.

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]GirthBrooks wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
if it’s a natural show then you’re a little shit for juicing[/quote]

Yeah because nobody else would ever think to do that…

#ridinghighonmyhighhorse[/quote]

you’ve just outed yourself as a total douche[/quote]

Don’t you mean #totaldouche

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Thread should already be retitled: THE ETHICS OF BODYBUILDING

ill play devils advocate, if he can get away with it then good for him, who is to say that he will be the only one at the contest who had done a cycle?

Not that I hope he wouldn’t get caught

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It cost 50 bucks for a blood test without insurance

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Wow, what a loser. Claiming you are natural while you are not is already loser enough, but this is 100x time worse.

What is your point in life? You suck.

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[quote]GirthBrooks wrote:
I’ve used them for an AI/SERM on my first cycle without incident. I continue to use them for T3/Albuterol. Would never again use them for Melanotan-II. Totally fucked my skin up…permanently. [/quote]

You will be found out by the dark moles on your face from melanotan II. They will suspect you are an “injector” then tar and feather you, which may help hide the moles.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-04-05/Olympic-green-tea-doping/54035624/1

Here’s inexpensive blood lab work for members:

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[quote]GirthBrooks wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
if it’s a natural show then you’re a little shit for juicing[/quote]

Yeah because nobody else would ever think to do that…

#ridinghighonmyhighhorse[/quote]

it doesn’t matter what others do… if you need to juice to compete in a natural show then maybe competitive bodybuilding isn’t for you

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]GirthBrooks wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
if it’s a natural show then you’re a little shit for juicing[/quote]

Yeah because nobody else would ever think to do that…

#ridinghighonmyhighhorse[/quote]

it doesn’t matter what others do… if you need to juice to compete in a natural show then maybe competitive bodybuilding isn’t for you[/quote]

Hahaha, look at all the ethicists showing up here now. Conveniently turning a blind-eye to the fact that you’re all breaking the law by purchasing and using a schedule III drug. What do your ethics have to say about that? How do you justify that in your own mind? Because the law is wrong or stupid? How is that any different? How does that not make you all hypocrites? All these people who sought my advice under a previous username established in 2009, who were silent, now have something to say because they don’t recognize this name. Your ethics are flawed.

Rhetorical question: How many of you are aware that diuretics, weight loss pills (like hydroxcut or any similar OTC supp), and caffeine are banned substances in natural events? Yet albuterol is NOT a banned substance. Scout’s honor- no one’s taking any caffeine right? :wink:

Most of you are the reason why there are no longer “vets” on this board.

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[quote]GirthBrooks wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]GirthBrooks wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
if it’s a natural show then you’re a little shit for juicing[/quote]

Yeah because nobody else would ever think to do that…

#ridinghighonmyhighhorse[/quote]

it doesn’t matter what others do… if you need to juice to compete in a natural show then maybe competitive bodybuilding isn’t for you[/quote]

Hahaha, look at all the ethicists showing up here now. Conveniently turning a blind-eye to the fact that you’re all breaking the law by purchasing and using a schedule III drug. What do your ethics have to say about that? How do you justify that in your own mind? Because the law is wrong or stupid? How is that any different? How does that not make you all hypocrites? All these people who sought my advice under a previous username established in 2009, who were silent, now have something to say because they don’t recognize this name. Your ethics are flawed.

Rhetorical question: How many of you are aware that diuretics, weight loss pills (like hydroxcut or any similar OTC supp), and caffeine are banned substances in natural events? Yet albuterol is NOT a banned substance. Scout’s honor- no one’s taking any caffeine right? :wink:

Most of you are the reason why there are no longer “vets” on this board.
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you are arbitrarily redefining reality and comparing two scenarios that are not at all related in order to justify your pathetic-ness

yes we are breaking the law, but we are not cheating… there is a difference even though you refuse to acknowledge it.

why not compete in an untested show like you should? is it because you know you cant stack up to them?

it would be like anyone who is not retarded… competing in the special Olympics. I think they made a movie about that.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
it would be like anyone who is not retarded… competing in the special Olympics. I think they made a movie about that. [/quote]

But I won a bronze medal dammit!

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[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
it would be like anyone who is not retarded… competing in the special Olympics. I think they made a movie about that. [/quote]

But I won a bronze medal dammit![/quote]

He’s got the bronze already he told us…

[quote]GirthBrooks wrote:
I’ve used them for an AI/SERM on my first cycle without incident. I continue to use them for T3/Albuterol. Would never again use them for Melanotan-II. Totally fucked my skin up…permanently.

After the second injection I began seeing extra moles that were never on my skin before. There were about 4 extra on my face and then after the third injection another 3-4 which were very noticeable on my face/forehead. Immediately stopped use and threw it away. The moles became only slightly less pronounced but are still very much there and show no signs of going anywhere or fading. Doesn’t necessarily mean it was the chem research labs fault, could just be my reaction to melanotan-II in general, but it’s something I’ll never take again. [/quote]

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

you are arbitrarily redefining reality and comparing two scenarios that are not at all related in order to justify your pathetic-ness

yes we are breaking the law, but we are not cheating… there is a difference even though you refuse to acknowledge it.

why not compete in an untested show like you should? is it because you know you cant stack up to them?

it would be like anyone who is not retarded… competing in the special Olympics. I think they made a movie about that. [/quote]

Arbitrarily redefining reality? How do you figure? You clearly don’t understand what “comparison” means so let me give you the remedial version as it relates to this discussion: comparing two scenarios and noting differences and similarities. If it was the same thing, it wouldn’t be a comparison at all. Are you too stupid to grasp such a concept?

And how are you not being a hypocrite? You say breaking the law is OK, but breaking contest rules- NO NO! (And technically it’s not breaking rules when you’re on nothing and it’s been out of your system for some time.) You are the walking epitome of hypocrites everywhere. Do you think it’s somehow different because you call it BREAKING the law instead of CHEATING the law? It’s the same thing and that’s how YOU are justifying it in YOUR head.

Competing in this show has nothing to do with not being able to ‘stack up’ or whatever it was you said. I had originally set out for an untested show in November, but it’s a different organization (obviously) than the one my friend is in. I’m still going to try to do that show, but I have to approach it very differently now. My friend is not ready to compete at that level so I agreed to do this one- FOR my friend. It’s not for me. And I’ve seen the guys in this category from last years show and believe me they are very much on par with the IFBB version of this category. I could post side by side pics and you would not be able to tell who was and wasn’t clean. So who’s to say those guys even were clean? Afterall, Albuterol is not on the banned substance list. So would that make them clean? Why or why not?

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The difference is that one scenario involves a competition with your fellow man, the other does not. It’s an important distinction. Maybe all that meth is clouding your judgement.

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[quote]GirthBrooks wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

you are arbitrarily redefining reality and comparing two scenarios that are not at all related in order to justify your pathetic-ness

yes we are breaking the law, but we are not cheating… there is a difference even though you refuse to acknowledge it.

why not compete in an untested show like you should? is it because you know you cant stack up to them?

it would be like anyone who is not retarded… competing in the special Olympics. I think they made a movie about that. [/quote]

Arbitrarily redefining reality? How do you figure? You clearly don’t understand what “comparison” means so let me give you the remedial version as it relates to this discussion: comparing two scenarios and noting differences and similarities. If it was the same thing, it wouldn’t be a comparison at all. Are you too stupid to grasp such a concept?

And how are you not being a hypocrite? You say breaking the law is OK, but breaking contest rules- NO NO! (And technically it’s not breaking rules when you’re on nothing and it’s been out of your system for some time.) You are the walking epitome of hypocrites everywhere. Do you think it’s somehow different because you call it BREAKING the law instead of CHEATING the law? It’s the same thing and that’s how YOU are justifying it in YOUR head.

Competing in this show has nothing to do with not being able to ‘stack up’ or whatever it was you said. I had originally set out for an untested show in November, but it’s a different organization (obviously) than the one my friend is in. I’m still going to try to do that show, but I have to approach it very differently now. My friend is not ready to compete at that level so I agreed to do this one- FOR my friend. It’s not for me. And I’ve seen the guys in this category from last years show and believe me they are very much on par with the IFBB version of this category. I could post side by side pics and you would not be able to tell who was and wasn’t clean. So who’s to say those guys even were clean? Afterall, Albuterol is not on the banned substance list. So would that make them clean? Why or why not?[/quote]

All that text and the douche still can’t tell the difference between breaking the law and cheating in a contest. Could probably explain it again and he still won’t get it.

Ah well, it’ll be funny when he doesn’t win the contest even with his cheating. A career in bodybuilding is not on the cards.