I was told I was having too much protein for my size although I got bigger from what im doing. Im 175 lbs (still), 24 y.o.a.
Im getting 300 Protein, 200 to 300 carb (depending on day), and 100 to 120 grams of Fat.
The reason behind why i was told this was that “people who are 250 lbs plus only eat 250+ grams of protein and have special vitamins”
I was told to be careful about endotoxemia and “lipopolysaccharides”.
Can anyone serious about this help me out?
Eq
That could be a little overkill for someone your weight. You’d probably be fine with 250~
But let me ask you this: is your weight going up and are you gaining muscle? If so then keep it up.
as long as it stays at pretty much a 1:1 ratio to carbs or fat then you should be fine. Looks like you are doing that.
[quote]earthquake wrote:
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I was told to be careful about endotoxemia and “lipopolysaccharides”.
Can anyone serious about this help me out?
Eq[/quote]
i dont see how your protein consumption could lead to sepsis?
actually (grass fed) it may be antiinflammatory
Eating that much won’t hurt you, but after a certain point, your body doesn’t really need any more. Sure, sometimes based on your particular food choices you may end up ingesting more protein than you planned to (I came close to 400g a couple of times during my last contest prep! totally unplanned), but it’s not a bad thing unless your other macros are suffering as a result.
S
I’m gonna bet that this misknowledge was the work of a dietitian.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
LOL! Please, please tell me this wasn’t a health care “professional” that dropped those two very scary-sounding but TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO THE TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED words.
Lipopolysaccharides are on an in nearly every cell in your body and the body of almost everything you eat. Its just a modified fatty acid ued in cell membrane structure and communication.
Endotoxemia is what you get when gram negative bacteria produce endotoxins in your body during a serious systemic infection such as bacteremia. Do you have bacteremia?
I’m dying to know how they tied these two things into eating 300 g of protein. Please fill us in on the conversation.[/quote]
An ex-bodybuilding coach that looks the part but has some crazy ideas on food.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
as long as it stays at pretty much a 1:1 ratio to carbs or fat then you should be fine. Looks like you are doing that.[/quote]
Was this calorie to calorie? I haven’t heard about this but it sounds interesting. I want to ask why not to challenge it but just to understand. My hunch is just to get more food in but it’s probably not that simple.
What is your body type and how/when are you getting your carbs? Your protein intake might be a little higher than necessary but I don’t think it will negatively affect you. I mentioned the carbs because I’m getting around 200 in my peri-workout window and have found that necessary for growth in my current state.
I have always heard 1.5-2g protein per lb of body mass. That would be close to 350g protein for 175 lb person. On a similar note, how much fat intake is too much? I know there is a difference betweem good and bad fats, I am just curious. I recently started keeping track of my food intake and it supprised me how much fat I was getting.
[quote]Grubes09 wrote:
I have always heard 1.5-2g protein per lb of body mass. That would be close to 350g protein for 175 lb person. On a similar note, how much fat intake is too much? I know there is a difference betweem good and bad fats, I am just curious. I recently started keeping track of my food intake and it supprised me how much fat I was getting.[/quote]
I know you provided a range but even so it’s not that precise.
People who can tolerate a lot of carbs (tolerate meaning how their body reacts and how they feel) can get away with less protein. People who need less carbs naturally require higher protein intake.
Good and bad fats come down to each speicific fat. Saturated fat is a term that describes how the hyrdogen atoms are arranged. Unsaturated fat molecules have a double bond somewhere in the chain, meaning there is less ‘space’ for a hydrogen atom. Basically, treat every specific fat differently. People need certain amounts of all the different fats. Breaking it down to polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, and saturated is too simplistic. Variety is good.
[quote]mallen5 wrote:
What is your body type and how/when are you getting your carbs? Your protein intake might be a little higher than necessary but I don’t think it will negatively affect you. I mentioned the carbs because I’m getting around 200 in my peri-workout window and have found that necessary for growth in my current state. [/quote]
My periworkout window right now is just 2 finibars. The rest of the carbs I fill in either before working out in 2 to 3 meals and one or 2 meals after my workout. If I can’t get my carbs up I just have them at my last meal. I feel like it’s not ideal but it might be better than not getting the carbs at all.
Im going to try to get more of them before my workout.
[quote]earthquake wrote:
[quote]mallen5 wrote:
What is your body type and how/when are you getting your carbs? Your protein intake might be a little higher than necessary but I don’t think it will negatively affect you. I mentioned the carbs because I’m getting around 200 in my peri-workout window and have found that necessary for growth in my current state. [/quote]
My periworkout window right now is just 2 finibars. The rest of the carbs I fill in either before working out in 2 to 3 meals and one or 2 meals after my workout. If I can’t get my carbs up I just have them at my last meal. I feel like it’s not ideal but it might be better than not getting the carbs at all.
Im going to try to get more of them before my workout.
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What time of day do you train?
[quote]earthquake wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
as long as it stays at pretty much a 1:1 ratio to carbs or fat then you should be fine. Looks like you are doing that.[/quote]
Was this calorie to calorie? I haven’t heard about this but it sounds interesting. I want to ask why not to challenge it but just to understand. My hunch is just to get more food in but it’s probably not that simple.[/quote]
Calorie, yes. You don’t want protein to be your body’s source of energy which will happen if it is the outstanding macro in your diet. Paring it with nearly identical calories from either fat or carbs (with the odd one out remaining low) will ensure that does not happen.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Grubes09 wrote:
I have always heard 1.5-2g protein per lb of body mass. That would be close to 350g protein for 175 lb person. On a similar note, how much fat intake is too much? I know there is a difference betweem good and bad fats, I am just curious. I recently started keeping track of my food intake and it supprised me how much fat I was getting.[/quote]
I know you provided a range but even so it’s not that precise.
People who can tolerate a lot of carbs (tolerate meaning how their body reacts and how they feel) can get away with less protein. People who need less carbs naturally require higher protein intake.
Good and bad fats come down to each speicific fat. Saturated fat is a term that describes how the hyrdogen atoms are arranged. Unsaturated fat molecules have a double bond somewhere in the chain, meaning there is less ‘space’ for a hydrogen atom. Basically, treat every specific fat differently. People need certain amounts of all the different fats. Breaking it down to polyunsaturated, monounsaturated, and saturated is too simplistic. Variety is good. [/quote]
Like Bone said it depends on you’re carb tolerance. Poliquin recomends 2g of protein per lb of body weight for people who are intolerant and trying to gain. People who are tolerant can go down to 1.5 or even 1. Here are some links to some of his stuff.
charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/article.aspx?ID=329
lionsdenu.com/charles-poliquins-six-secrets-to-gaining-muscle-mass/
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]earthquake wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
as long as it stays at pretty much a 1:1 ratio to carbs or fat then you should be fine. Looks like you are doing that.[/quote]
Was this calorie to calorie? I haven’t heard about this but it sounds interesting. I want to ask why not to challenge it but just to understand. My hunch is just to get more food in but it’s probably not that simple.[/quote]
Calorie, yes. You don’t want protein to be your body’s source of energy which will happen if it is the outstanding macro in your diet. Paring it with nearly identical calories from either fat or carbs (with the odd one out remaining low) will ensure that does not happen.[/quote]
I’ve read a lot about this lately. Could you expand on this? Do you know of any other articles/links on this info? I definitely think I fall into the category of too much protein.
[quote]earthquake wrote:
I was told I was having too much protein for my size although I got bigger from what im doing. Im 175 lbs (still), 24 y.o.a.
Im getting 300 Protein, 200 to 300 carb (depending on day), and 100 to 120 grams of Fat.
The reason behind why i was told this was that “people who are 250 lbs plus only eat 250+ grams of protein and have special vitamins”
I was told to be careful about endotoxemia and “lipopolysaccharides”.
Can anyone serious about this help me out?
Eq[/quote]
hey dude
back in high school i started studying and then my grades startet to rise. but then some of my mates who didnt get good grades but really wanted to told me that i had been studying too much ! and that i never would get good grades because my brain would release enzymes that could cloud my memory and judgement… but i thought fuck that i want to get good grades and studying isnt that hard !
so i did it and ended top of the class !
dont let people tell you what to do ! if it works dont fix it !
I will add 2 things to this:
Play around with your macros. You may find that you don’t need that much protein and if so, then you are just pissing money away (pun intended). Basically, if your body doesn’t need it, can’t process it, or whatever, you will just piss it out. If you are spending money for protein powder and lots of dead animals and just pissing it out then…
The only adverse thing that I am aware of is you may be susceptible to increase kidney function (with existing underlying kidney issues) from trying to process all the proteins. In turn, it can raise your blood pressure. This doesn’t happen to most with normal kidney function.
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]earthquake wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
as long as it stays at pretty much a 1:1 ratio to carbs or fat then you should be fine. Looks like you are doing that.[/quote]
Was this calorie to calorie? I haven’t heard about this but it sounds interesting. I want to ask why not to challenge it but just to understand. My hunch is just to get more food in but it’s probably not that simple.[/quote]
Calorie, yes. You don’t want protein to be your body’s source of energy which will happen if it is the outstanding macro in your diet. Paring it with nearly identical calories from either fat or carbs (with the odd one out remaining low) will ensure that does not happen.[/quote]
I’ve read a lot about this lately. Could you expand on this? Do you know of any other articles/links on this info? I definitely think I fall into the category of too much protein.
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Sorry, I don’t have any links. I’ve learned this from reading a lot of what the top diet/prep coaches do for their clients and finally experimented with it myself and have been seeing very good results.
Muscle is protein, so if your main energy source is protein guess what will happen if you go into a deficit for an extended diet? Also, like Mateus said, you can only use so much protein so it would be a better choice to get calories from elsewhere.
What I’ve observed is most of the prep coaches stick with either moderate protein/carbs and low fat or moderation protein/fats and low carbs, there is also carb cycling involved where those 2 diet principles are interchanged on a weekly basis.
I don’t have all the science and whatnot to accurately explain to you the processes that occur in the body with doing this but I Just know firsthand that when the amount of protein is mirrored by another macro with the odd one out remaining low, progress speeds up.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]earthquake wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
as long as it stays at pretty much a 1:1 ratio to carbs or fat then you should be fine. Looks like you are doing that.[/quote]
Was this calorie to calorie? I haven’t heard about this but it sounds interesting. I want to ask why not to challenge it but just to understand. My hunch is just to get more food in but it’s probably not that simple.[/quote]
Calorie, yes. You don’t want protein to be your body’s source of energy which will happen if it is the outstanding macro in your diet. Paring it with nearly identical calories from either fat or carbs (with the odd one out remaining low) will ensure that does not happen.[/quote]
I’ve read a lot about this lately. Could you expand on this? Do you know of any other articles/links on this info? I definitely think I fall into the category of too much protein.
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Sorry, I don’t have any links. I’ve learned this from reading a lot of what the top diet/prep coaches do for their clients and finally experimented with it myself and have been seeing very good results.
Muscle is protein, so if your main energy source is protein guess what will happen if you go into a deficit for an extended diet? Also, like Mateus said, you can only use so much protein so it would be a better choice to get calories from elsewhere.
What I’ve observed is most of the prep coaches stick with either moderate protein/carbs and low fat or moderation protein/fats and low carbs, there is also carb cycling involved where those 2 diet principles are interchanged on a weekly basis.
I don’t have all the science and whatnot to accurately explain to you the processes that occur in the body with doing this but I Just know firsthand that when the amount of protein is mirrored by another macro with the odd one out remaining low, progress speeds up.[/quote]
Ok that makes sense. What ratio did you go with for your last diet? And how many total calories were you consuming? I’m going to go on a diet in a month, looking to cut some fat before school. I definitely think the diet best for me would be moderate protein and fats while keeping carbs low. Thanks for the help I appreciate it.