[quote]philipj wrote:
I presently take 8 x 1000g of fish oil a day, and have taken up to 15 x 1000g a day, and it works wonders. If you want another low down on fish oil, go to Cooperwellness.com. On the left side clink radio programs archive, then click on the past shows. About the 10th of may or june the MD who takes care of the Pittsburg Steelers was on for one hour talking with either Dr Cooper or the radio host on fish oil.
Really a good hour of info.[/quote]
LMAO! 15kg of fish oil in a day would take some beating! I bet no-one wants to live in the same house.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Back to the original question; there is a concern with very. very high doses due to the anticoagulant qualities of fish oil. I would definitely keep it within recommended dosages.[/quote]
this is a good point to be taken by people who have certain diseases or illnesses. As for myself, i like that effect. i believe it helps me with circulation and relieves some of my slightly high blood pressure. laters pk
[quote]SGrim80 wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
I believe some of the authors here have said with inferior fish oils one had to take some ridiculously high amount of caps through the day to get the needed EPA and DHA ratios. Plus you have contaminants present.
With Flameout you are getting the correct needed ratios for males and you only need to take two in the morning and two in the evening and it’s clean.
D
Whats the benefit to 2 in the morning and 2 before bed? I take all 4 of mine with my lunch. Bad idea? Does it really make a difference?
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As someone mentioned, it’s fine to take all four at once. But is it optimal? No. Space then out evenly throughout the day for best results.
How many of you actually eat lots of processed/boxed foods on a daily basis? With that in mind, I don’t think the extremely high fish oil doses are necessary.
Most of us are on the elite end of nutrition and thus don’t take in the very high amounts of omega-6’s that the average westerner does.
TC recently mentioned how he actually had an omega-6 deficiency that came with some negative effects that he had to correct.
I think that if you weigh more than average you might consider taking in more figh oil’s. I’m a little over average weight so I take 5 Flameouts a day, evenly spaced.
it concerns me that people are taking so much fish oil. One time I did 15g/day of the Sears/Zone Labs product just to experiment. I got nose bleeds every 10 minutes, and they took 15 minutes to clot.
[quote]Soldierslim wrote:
SGrim80 wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
I believe some of the authors here have said with inferior fish oils one had to take some ridiculously high amount of caps through the day to get the needed EPA and DHA ratios. Plus you have contaminants present.
With Flameout you are getting the correct needed ratios for males and you only need to take two in the morning and two in the evening and it’s clean.
D
Whats the benefit to 2 in the morning and 2 before bed? I take all 4 of mine with my lunch. Bad idea? Does it really make a difference?
As someone mentioned, it’s fine to take all four at once. But is it optimal? No. Space then out evenly throughout the day for best results.[/quote]
Why? Cy has said there’s absolutely no difference. What do you think the difference is? The anti-inflamatory effect is not acute. It comes with buildup over time.
fish oil has NO adverse side affects at any dose you can handle. The inuit eskimos eat over 30 grams a day and are some of the healthiest people on earth.
[quote]allNatural wrote:
fish oil has NO adverse side affects at any dose you can handle. The inuit eskimos eat over 30 grams a day and are some of the healthiest people on earth.[/quote]
LOL, you are either facetious or profoundly misinformed. NO WAY does anyone on this earth get 30g of fish oil per day through any vehicle other than supplementation. And the notion that fish oil has “NO” adverse affects whatsoever is ridiculous.
Anything that can produce a theraputic effect can produce a negative effect: how about immune suppression, increased clotting time, and increased risk of stroke?
[quote]belligerent wrote:
allNatural wrote:
fish oil has NO adverse side affects at any dose you can handle. The inuit eskimos eat over 30 grams a day and are some of the healthiest people on earth.
LOL, you are either facetious or profoundly misinformed. NO WAY does anyone on this earth get 30 of fish oil per day, or even per month, through any vehicle other than supplementation. How many servings of fish do you figure it takes to get that much EFA? I’m gonna estimate at least a hundred. And the notion that fish oil has “NO” adverse affects whatsoever is ridiculous. Anything that can produce a theraputic effect can produce a negative effect: how about immune suppression, increased clotting time, and increased risk of stroke? [/quote]
LOLOLLOOLOL (sarcastic), YOU are “profoundly” misinformed. Dr. Joseph Maroon would tend to disagree with you.
www.cooperaerobics.com/radio/Archive.aspx
May 20, 2006
What is it about morons that make them want to argue about things they have no idea about? Like I said, to get any side affects, you would have to eat more than you could handle anyway.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
allNatural wrote:
fish oil has NO adverse side affects at any dose you can handle. The inuit eskimos eat over 30 grams a day and are some of the healthiest people on earth.
LOL, you are either facetious or profoundly misinformed. NO WAY does anyone on this earth get 30 of fish oil per day, or even per month, through any vehicle other than supplementation. How many servings of fish do you figure it takes to get that much EFA? I’m gonna estimate at least a hundred. And the notion that fish oil has “NO” adverse affects whatsoever is ridiculous. Anything that can produce a theraputic effect can produce a negative effect: how about immune suppression, increased clotting time, and increased risk of stroke? [/quote]
Belligerent, do you know what the proposed pathway is for increased risk of stroke?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Soldierslim wrote:
SGrim80 wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
I believe some of the authors here have said with inferior fish oils one had to take some ridiculously high amount of caps through the day to get the needed EPA and DHA ratios. Plus you have contaminants present.
With Flameout you are getting the correct needed ratios for males and you only need to take two in the morning and two in the evening and it’s clean.
D
Whats the benefit to 2 in the morning and 2 before bed? I take all 4 of mine with my lunch. Bad idea? Does it really make a difference?
As someone mentioned, it’s fine to take all four at once. But is it optimal? No. Space then out evenly throughout the day for best results.
Why? Cy has said there’s absolutely no difference. What do you think the difference is? The anti-inflamatory effect is not acute. It comes with buildup over time.[/quote]
Almost any article I’ve read regarding fish oil intake (not just Flameout) has essentially stated to space intake out throughout the day. Even JB recommends some with each meal.
Again, I seriously doubt it’s a big difference, but if we’re going to recommend something we might as well recommend the most ideal way possible.
Most of us take our multivitamin in the morning and our ZMA at night, right? Well then, since you’re popping pills at those times anyway, why not just pop 2 Flameout’s at each of these times instead of all four at once?
It makes absolutely no difference whether you take fish oil all at once or spread it out. EPA and DHA both have half-lives over 24 hours and the beneficial effects are chronic not acute. Also, belligerent is a troll, ignore him.
I personally take 6 1 gram capsules a day of fish oil, plus a little more omega 3 from the cod liver oil i take.
I dont think large doses are necessarily a good thing over long periods of time. I mean its just fat, a big intake will probably just speed up results for people who havnt been taking it regulary (as it needs to be incorporated into your cells). But i do believe large intakes over a long time could result in things like low blood preasure, aswell as very thin blood. As someone who has little blood vessels that burst in my nose whenever they feel like it, i NEED blood to clot. But im just going to get part of my nose quaterised.
Not to mention you probably suffer omega 6 imbalances. They do exist. O6’s arnt evil.
But if anyone is going to suffer the side effects, its going to be the people screaming “That there is no such thing as too much fish oil!”. While claiming others don’t know anything. Variety and moderation are corner stones of nutrition.
[quote]kellyc wrote:
Belligerent, do you know what the proposed pathway is for increased risk of stroke?[/quote]
It increases likelihood of hemorrhage I believe… Dr. Barry Sears discusses this in his book “The Omega Rx Zone”, which started the high-dose fish oil craze four years ago. The book is a blatant marketing strategy for his fish oil product so I figure if he aknowledges it then it’s probably a real consideration.
Other negative effects of high-dose fish oil:
-excessive bleeding
-increased LDL cholesterol levels
-depression of the immune system
-increased blood sugar level in type 2 diabetics
-reduction of antioxidant levels
[quote]allNatural wrote:
LOLOLLOOLOL (sarcastic), YOU are “profoundly” misinformed. Dr. Joseph Maroon would tend to disagree with you. www.cooperaerobics.com/radio/Archive.aspx
May 20, 2006
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Sorry, I’m not gonna listen to a 60 minute broadcast to verify what Dr. Joseph Maroon supposedly said. And the fact that he said it don’t make it true- show me some scientific verification of this claim, or you have nothing.
It’s well known that the Greenland Eskimos consume a large amount of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids (relative to the rest of the world), but they don’t get 30g a day- that’s ridiculous. Why would anyone pay $40 for 75-100g fish oil supplement if you could realistically get 30g a day through food alone??
My previous statement that it’s impossible to get 30g of fish oil through food in a month is probably an exaggeration. However, nobody gets that much in a day. What food item could possibly yeild that much omega-3? And if such a food exists, why are supplement manufacturers still extracting tiny amounts of fish oil from small fish??
[quote]conorh wrote:
After an acute injury I’ve taken as much as 40 grams a day and it knocks inflammation out like a light.
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That is a bad idea. Inflammation associated with acute injury is generally a good thing. Local inflammation facilitates the healing process by bringing macrophages and other immune cells to the injury site to “clean up” debris and perform other important functions. Suppressing the inflammatory respone during the acute phase of injury may disrupt the repair process.
The purpose of fish oil is to reduce chronic/systemic inflammation, NOT to override the normal inflammatory response to acute injury. This strategy may reduce pain but it will not restore the functional capacity of your injured body part.
Indeed, it is detrimental to that end. Did you know that several studies show that the administration of anti-inflammatory drugs SLOWS the healing of bony injuries? We’ve gotten carried away with extinguishing inflammation.
