So i’ve basically been on a bulk for like… 2 years out of the 3 i’ve been training.
I started off at 165 and now I’m 230ish. I tried to cut but the second I lose strength I get back on.
I don’t look bad. Just wondering if anyone else is part of team #Permabulker
Why do you lose strength when you cut?
At 5’9, 230 def = fatty. Time to get ahead of it before you get old.
Excuses
“Too into training to cut…”
So, you can’t train while you cut? You have to give it up?
There were a few more Permabulkers around here a while back, but the site has shifted away from that mentality in recent memory.
[quote]1 Man Island wrote:
At 5’9, 230 def = fatty. Time to get ahead of it before you get old.[/quote]
I’m 5’6" 225 guess I’m definitely a fatty.
OP I guess you could say I am. My goal is to be as big and strong as possible and to squat as much weight as I can. If I am lean and chiseled and my squat and total is going up great. If I am big but soft and my total and squat is going up great. Unless I’m entering a meet I could careless about dropping weight. I don’t lift and eat good to impress any one but my self.
Fuck I hate the word “permabulk” for some reason.
Op, don’t go lifting heavy and eating big or you might end up being a fatty like Reed.
Reed is the shit lol. I’m 5’10 and 230. Doesn’t mean I’m a fatty. Maybe in Men’s physique bodybuilding.com forums I am. I’m probably obese there. I agree with reed’s standpoint. I just want to get as strong as possible. I’ll cut one day whenever I decide that It’s time to start competing. I lost 80 pounds of fat before. It’s not like this isn’t something I’m capable of doing. Lots of hate in this forum. I’m actually 5’10 btw.
[quote]Learning2Lift wrote:
So i’ve basically been on a bulk for like… 2 years out of the 3 i’ve been training.
I started off at 165 and now I’m 230ish. I tried to cut but the second I lose strength I get back on.
I don’t look bad.[/quote]
Tough Love, man… you definitely don’t look great based on what I could see in your form check vids and for three years of lifting, I don’t think your numbers warrant your mostly-bodyfat weight gain. You’re up 65 pounds in bodyweight, but not benching 1.5xBW, and not pulling double-BW. If you lost strength when you cut, your diet and/or your training was wrong.
[u]EDIT:[/u] Just took a look. In the last 16 months, you’ve put 25 pounds on your squat, about 50 on your deadlift, and gained about 50 pounds bodyweight. I stand by my statement that your strength gains were disproportionate to your bodyweight gains. That’s not “permabulking”, that’s a bad nutrition and training combo. [/edit]
I posted this in a thread a few months ago and, to be honest, I think it’s generally too important not to repost when remotely-relevant:
[quote]There was a kid on the forums a few years ago. Artem, about 16 or 17 years old.
He started off around 5’11" and 140ish and ended up gaining about 100 pounds in one year. Drank two gallons of milk a day, ate a ton, didn’t train right. After all that weight gain, he could barely squat his bodyweight or put half-bodyweight overhead.
But hey, he gained 100 pounds. That was his rallying cry and security blanket to deflect any comments from the tons and tons of vets who were trying to steer him down a better path and give him legit advice the whole time.
When he finally did decide to cut, he went about it his own way, eventually crash dieting for a while and dropping 50 pounds in three months, and losing another 25+ pounds the month after that. From there, he talked about wanting to start a “clean bulk”, but that thread fizzled after two weeks and he didn’t talk about his training anymore after that.
So he gained 100 pounds in a year, and then dropped almost 80 in the course of four months. When it was all said and done, with about a year and a half of “big eating”, bulking, and cutting, he didn’t look all that different. A major disappointment that a ton of people saw coming.
Sure, the scale still showed a net weight gain, but looking at the pics (and understanding why he was hesitant to post more after the last weight loss), you have to wonder if there was a better way to go about the whole thing from the start, instead of just focusing on seeing the scale move up and up.
Am I rambling here or am I using a story about a former member to drive home a point relevant to your situation? Probably both.[/quote]
Now, I’m not saying you’re necessarily on track to be Artem Part 2, but I also wouldn’t say you’ve built a solid foundation of muscle during your “permabulk.” Permabulk, by the way, is a term used when lifters don’t want to put effort into watching calorie intake, bodyfat gains, or doing cardio. Quick gains can be intoxicating, playing the long game takes patience and self-discipline.
People’s goals are their own thing, but at least be honest about it. Labeling yourself a “permabulker” is as bad as 6’2", 150-pound guys labeling themselves “hardgaining ectomorphs” or 150-pound guys with rippt abz being part of the “Zyzz4ever aestheticz crew”. Either be happy where you are and move towards your goals or put the work in towards really getting where you want to go. Labels are vague and pointless.
If you want to powerlift, go for it. The portly powerlifter is a stereotype, but not entirely inaccurate (for some guys, not all. And many well-known fat powerlifters have said they wished they didn’t get so out of shape). If you want to build serious muscle, then take a step back and see that you’re currently off course and more bulking at this stage will only be counterproductive.
Maybe I should clarify. I don’t classify my self as a “permabulker”. I don’t believe you should just stuff your self and eat shit day in and day out. But I don’t believe in eating tuna and rice 6 times a day either. I personally could careless if I am ever ripped enough to be a model or on a bodybuilding stage. I don’t care if I have abs or not. I want big arms, big traps, bigger legs and bigger a bigger total every time I step on the stage.
I don’t think you should let your self get out control and when you start see belly hanging over the belt you should probably clean up the diet. But, I am perfectly fine being around 15% with a slightly smoother look. Eat big but don’t eat shit. Make sure your chasing the weight on the bar and not chasing the number on the scale. One thing I have learned from my coaches is that it all takes time and you need to grow into bigger bodyweights slowly and then stay there and,let your body get used to it.
[quote]Learning2Lift wrote:
Reed is the shit lol. I’m 5’10 and 230. Doesn’t mean I’m a fatty. Maybe in Men’s physique bodybuilding.com forums I am. I’m probably obese there. I agree with reed’s standpoint. I just want to get as strong as possible. I’ll cut one day whenever I decide that It’s time to start competing. I lost 80 pounds of fat before. It’s not like this isn’t something I’m capable of doing. Lots of hate in this forum. I’m actually 5’10 btw.
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It was not my intention to express hate at you. I was legitimately wondering why you lose strength on a cut. I have not had that experience personally.
[quote]Reed wrote:
Maybe I should clarify. I don’t classify my self as a “permabulker”. I don’t believe you should just stuff your self and eat shit day in and day out. But I don’t believe in eating tuna and rice 6 times a day either. I personally could careless if I am ever ripped enough to be a model or on a bodybuilding stage. I don’t care if I have abs or not. I want big arms, big traps, bigger legs and bigger a bigger total every time I step on the stage.
I don’t think you should let your self get out control and when you start see belly hanging over the belt you should probably clean up the diet. But, I am perfectly fine being around 15% with a slightly smoother look. Eat big but don’t eat shit. Make sure your chasing the weight on the bar and not chasing the number on the scale. One thing I have learned from my coaches is that it all takes time and you need to grow into bigger bodyweights slowly and then stay there and,let your body get used to it. [/quote]
You’re 15%bf with your weight/height?
Good lord you have a lot of muscle-mass. =o
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]Reed wrote:
Maybe I should clarify. I don’t classify my self as a “permabulker”. I don’t believe you should just stuff your self and eat shit day in and day out. But I don’t believe in eating tuna and rice 6 times a day either. I personally could careless if I am ever ripped enough to be a model or on a bodybuilding stage. I don’t care if I have abs or not. I want big arms, big traps, bigger legs and bigger a bigger total every time I step on the stage.
I don’t think you should let your self get out control and when you start see belly hanging over the belt you should probably clean up the diet. But, I am perfectly fine being around 15% with a slightly smoother look. Eat big but don’t eat shit. Make sure your chasing the weight on the bar and not chasing the number on the scale. One thing I have learned from my coaches is that it all takes time and you need to grow into bigger bodyweights slowly and then stay there and,let your body get used to it. [/quote]
You’re 15%bf with your weight/height?
Good lord you have a lot of muscle-mass. =o
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Its all In my legs and ass really and I guess shoulders and upper back. I don’t look like I’m 220 really but according to every scale I am. I may be 17% body fat even but can see abs decently well and have veins in my shoulders and chest when training so I am not a fat ass by any means. But def not getting on stage with out a good 6 months of dieting and learning how to body build.
if you care to look in the HUB photo section in my profile there are few pics of me when I was about 218-222ish so have put on about 5-8 pounds since in the 5-6 months since those pics.
I’d respond to everyone but I’m occupied. But Chris… I have no clue where you’ve gotten my lifts from 16 months ago… In January 2014 I had a 355 belted squat, 275 bench and a 365 deadlift. I’m not unhealthly lol. I’m not saying I’m about to waltz onto a beach and shock women into submission either. From November '13 to now I went from 185ish to 230ish. Bit puzzled on your 16 month thought.
[quote]Learning2Lift wrote:
I’d respond to everyone but I’m occupied. But Chris… I have no clue where you’ve gotten my lifts from 16 months ago… In January 2014 I had a 355 belted squat, 275 bench and a 365 deadlift. I’m not unhealthly lol. I’m not saying I’m about to waltz onto a beach and shock women into submission either. From November '13 to now I went from 185ish to 230ish. Bit puzzled on your 16 month thought.[/quote]
What do you think happens to stuff you write on the internet? It doesn’t just go away, and it is easy to find.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/hub/Learning2Lift#myForums/thread/5622074/0
If you can’t be honest with yourself, how will you ever achieve your goals?
Ahh I see. Yea I was definitely lying when I made that video. Theres no way I was squattnig 360 at that time. My deadlift form was gutrenchingly bad so I stopped pulling like that and took a hit to my overall number in the tradeoff for better form
[quote]Learning2Lift wrote:
Ahh I see. Yea I was definitely lying when I made that video. Theres no way I was squattnig 360 at that time. My deadlift form was gutrenchingly bad so I stopped pulling like that and took a hit to my overall number in the tradeoff for better form[/quote]
But his criticism is still valid about gaining weight faster than strength based off your lack of a 2x bw pull or 1.5bw bench.
I never said it wasn’t. I never even said I was trying to justify it lol. A lot of hate on T-Nation forums. All i said was I’m too lazy to cut and all of a sudden I’m an unattractive weakling rofl. Not that I’m denying that :D.
Are you no longer occupied? You seem better able to respond at the moment.