That’s a fair point. However, again I question the validity of the advice on big lifts that are not suited to slower eccentrics (and/or concentrics, for that matter), such as the deadlift, especially in the context of injury prevention/lifting longevity (which is what this topic is all about).
Well said mate. It’s hilarious to think there’s children in here trying to give out advice.
My theory goes like this:
Training strongman means using logs, axles, kegs, stones, etc so when my joints are creaking I’ll have to down grade to heavy barbells and dumbbells and my body will be happy with the less brutal equipment.
Makes sense in my mind lol
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I have been writing about this for years:
While I do not agree with the author at this present time, what he wrote may well be the case for people just starting out and following the dogma noobs are spewing back and forth.
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A lifter in his 40s or 50s who is still able to lift heavy probably didn’t get there by being stupid throughout his 20s. What’s smart at 20 is smart at 70.
And what exactly is light for an experienced lifter? If he goes from doing singles and triples to 10-12 rep sets he might still be squatting a pretty heavy weight. So it’s not like lighter/higher reps is without its own issues for an older lifter.
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@76now Thoughts?”
Greetings friends. have been invited to comment.
i am a 77 year old masters olympic lifter, who started my ‘career’ at age 64. i have set 90+ state records in the 77k, 85k, 94k classes in the 65, 69, 74, and 79 year catagories.
strength wise, i am nothing special. but i revel in the admiration of the gym babes for being more flexible than they are, and so strong (hahh!) and athletic.
i train twice a week on the OL’s, and squats, and pulls and shit. At the moment i am doing a sort of 10x10 program to rest the body from heavy lifts. At the end of this 6 months block, i will go back to heavy training, and hopefully do something.
Training remains a joy, and a defining part of my life.
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Oh hey, this got reposted today as a brand new article
It’s still pretty silly too. Still says the monster lifts of strongman and powerlifters are done by 20 year olds.
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Just saw this today, and didn’t realize this thread was from Feb.
I’m 31, and in MUCH better shape than when I was in my 20’s. I’m glad to finally have the physique that I wanted as a teenager (always room for improvement though).
I agree with a lot of the approaches. After I turned 30, I train mostly in volume than high intensity, and plan to space out my meets. When I do compete, I plan on talking to my coach to do an extended peak and see what he thinks about that.
I’ve also been prioritizing other lifts too - OHP for shoulder health, front squat to keep my lower back safe, and trap bar deadlift for safer overloads for deadlift. I think another thing that helps is kinda self-limiting exercises. Like pause squats where you have to lower the weight, but still provides that stimulus and TUT, or (havent done these in a training cycle yet) double overhand axle deadlifts.
Imma just leave this right here.
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I’m 37, been lifting hard and smart for not that long (just over 2 years) and look better/can lift more than prob 99% of any kid at my gym in their 20s. Article is kinda ridiculous, over 40 or even 50 would be more accurate. but not 30
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Yeah it has occurred to me that the article is aimed at more of your casual lifters and not a psychotic 46 year old like myself.
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Yeah, I think it’s for Jim from accounting.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/theoffice/images/9/9a/Jim.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170701084550
I think Jim started hitting the weights…
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Actually a damn good point… The writer is vague on this. Matter of fact a experience might actually end up using actually lifting more over all tonnage in a session placing just as much wear and tear on them.
#oldmanstrength
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I’m 50 and have never been stronger. Aiming for an elite total by 55 before I go into the next master’s category.
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I just had my first stem cell treatment done in London. I’m fighting age with grit, hard work, science, money and diet.
Holy sheet that’s exciting!! Where were the stem cells put, what for & how? I’m massively interested mate - tell more!!
Anecdotal only, but my impression from the gyms I’ve been to is lifting or not, men’s physiques aren’t fully developed until 30. That’s when things start properly not finish.
I probably should start a separate thread but I’ll give the cliffs. I’m keeping a log of my experience.
Stem cells are controversial for actually silly reasons that revolved around embryonic stem cells and concerns about cloning. Today, embryonic stems cells aren’t used for therapeutic purposes as they weren’t found to be effective. They want to differentiate and turn into, well, embryos.
In the US you cannot get effective stem cell treatment; the most effective protocols are done in other countries. This is due to FDA regs that only allow stem cell applications for limited purposes. So, legit companies that want to offer truly effective therapies are abroad. I chose to work with Dr. Ray based in London. He’s the doc that treated Peyton Manning after his 4th neck surgery to get him back not the field and who recently worked with Jimmy Graham, TE for the Seahawks.
Dr. Ray has treated about 450 patients, about 40% pro athletes, 40% degenerative diseases (e.g., MS, ALS), and the remaining people like me who seek a better functioning body and overall quality of life, though I am a little torn up from life: ACL reconstruction from Motox, various strains and pains from powerlifting, torn up R shoulder from mountain biking, trauma induced scoliosis from snowmobile wreck. I’m 50 years old, and most of this stuff happened when I was a teen/early 20s.
The approached used is unique. He doesn’t inject (transplant) live stem cells, but rather the exogenous compounds that stem cells produce. Process started with fat harvest, I got lipo! They pull 100 cc of fat from your belly (they only got 85cc out of me), ship the fat to their labs, where the stem cells are isolated and grown. After sufficient growth of your own stem cells, they are treated under conditions that cause them to secrete exogenous compounds: micro vesicles and exosomes. 3 weeks later they isolate 40 billion and re-inject via an IV drip.
This is one of the only doctors using stem cells for the whole body rather than locally. Use of micro vesicles rather than stem cells has been proven to be far more effective AND b/c they are small they are widely distributed throughout the body and treat all manners of dysfunctional cells; in other words they don’t care if you have acute inflammation and tissue damage in a jacked up patella tendon (in the case of Graham) or tissue damage in the brain from a concussion.
It hasn’t even been a week since I returned from the UK, but right away I got a buzz of energy, increased mental acuity (like, I don’t need coffee in the morning) and a VERY active libido. I’m on TRT and mine is pretty good for my age, but hell, I feel like I’m 18 again.
As the months roll by I’ll be very interested in seeing how my knees, ankle, shoulder, and other parts feel. I also have severe sleep apnea and over the years it has fucked up my valve that prevents acid from your stomach coming into your esophogas. Mine is so bad I was heading for surgery. I’m hoping the stem cell treatment reverses and heals the condition.
The vesicles are consumed by damaged cells (absorbed) and those that are not needed are expelled by the body. This happens in 72 hours. Healing takes place for about 3 months. I’ll go for a second infusion this fall.
Cost is brutal, but this protocol has a strong track record and pro athletes like Manning and Graham are on record stating its efficacy. 46k all in for the first year, then 1k per year to keep your stem cells on ice, and 4k if you want another infusion. I’ll plan to head to london 1x year for annual ‘booster’ shots.
If you want to learn a little bit more about a decent protocol, but in my estimation not as effective, check out Dr. Riordan and Mel Gibson in Joe Rogan’s podcast. His book Rising Tide is a good primer on stem cell therapy. However, like pretty much everyone else, Dr. Riordan is injecting live stem cells which aren’t as effective but still can provide localized repair (like Mel Gibson’s dad with a bad hip).
I know lots of anecdotes beyond stated here and have read a bunch of papers on the topic. I’d be happy to answer any questions and I feel pretty freaking blessed to be living in a time of such amazing technology and have the resources to pay for it.
Cheers.
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