I’ve seen girls do that stuff. Where they just usually slap or shove a guy because they think being a woman is some kind of “Get Out Of Jail Free” card. I hate that.
I’m not comfortable with it, but I sure am not surprised if she gets a shove or a slap back.
The poor guy can’t win either way. Either he is a wimp for being beat up by a girl or he is an asshole for hitting a woman.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I’ve seen do that stuff. Where they just usually slap or shove a guy because they think being a woman is some kind of “Get Out Of Jail Free” card. I hate that.
I’m not comfortable with it, but I sure am not surprised if she gets a shove or a slap back.
The poor guy can’t win either way. Either he is a wimp for being beat up by a girl or he is an asshole for hitting a woman.
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I am completely mind fucked by this type of attitude. In the circles I run if a man slaps a woman and other men are around, regardless of the reason he will wakeup wondering what happened after he slapped her. I am not exaggerating. When I was a bouncer at this Irish pub down here a guy made the kind of mistake of slapping a girl in retaliation and he was beaten pretty badly by several members of out local Rugby Team. No hesitation or questioning did she deserve it. It is simple; if you are a man you do not hit a woman. We are stronger and always have the ability to leave.
A man is never a wimp for allowing a woman to slap him and not retaliating. In my book if he does slap her he is a pussy coward scumbag and deserves his ass kicked. Feel free to make a line if you feel otherwise woman hitters.
It is our responsibility to our fellow man to let him know that he has crossed a line that is not to be crossed by kicking the shit out of him.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I’ve seen girls do that stuff. Where they just usually slap or shove a guy because they think being a woman is some kind of “Get Out Of Jail Free” card. I hate that.
I’m not comfortable with it, but I sure am not surprised if she gets a shove or a slap back.
The poor guy can’t win either way. Either he is a wimp for being beat up by a girl or he is an asshole for hitting a woman.
I am completely mind fucked by this type of attitude. In the circles I run if a man slaps a woman and other men are around, regardless of the reason he will wakeup wondering what happened after he slapped her. I am not exaggerating. When I was a bouncer at this Irish pub down here a guy made the kind of mistake of slapping a girl in retaliation and he was beaten pretty badly by several members of out local Rugby Team. No hesitation or questioning did she deserve it. It is simple; if you are a man you do not hit a woman. We are stronger and always have the ability to leave.
A man is never a wimp for allowing a woman to slap him and not retaliating. In my book if he does slap her he is a pussy coward scumbag and deserves his ass kicked. Feel free to make a line if you feel otherwise woman hitters.
It is our responsibility to our fellow man to let him know that he has crossed a line that is not to be crossed by kicking the shit out of him.
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Thanks, your response was an eye opener also.
I appreciate seeing that side of things
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
I am completely mind fucked by this type of attitude. In the circles I run if a man slaps a woman and other men are around, regardless of the reason he will wakeup wondering what happened after he slapped her. I am not exaggerating. When I was a bouncer at this Irish pub down here a guy made the kind of mistake of slapping a girl in retaliation and he was beaten pretty badly by several members of out local Rugby Team. No hesitation or questioning did she deserve it. It is simple; if you are a man you do not hit a woman. We are stronger and always have the ability to leave.
A man is never a wimp for allowing a woman to slap him and not retaliating. In my book if he does slap her he is a pussy coward scumbag and deserves his ass kicked. Feel free to make a line if you feel otherwise woman hitters.
It is our responsibility to our fellow man to let him know that he has crossed a line that is not to be crossed by kicking the shit out of him.
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So what you’re saying here is that men are second-class? I’d rather be equal, thanks. You don’t hit anybody and expect no retaliation.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So what you’re saying here is that men are second-class? I’d rather be equal, thanks. You don’t hit anybody and expect no retaliation.[/quote]
No, I am saying that we are always stronger so it is our place to acknowlege that it is not a fair fight and walk away. If you would hit a woman because you feel it is a fair fight then you are a second class man. You are showing the logic of a coward in your post as well. Enjoy!
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
You are showing the logic of a coward in your post as well. Enjoy![/quote]
Explain that one to me.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
BlakeAJackson wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I’ve seen girls do that stuff. Where they just usually slap or shove a guy because they think being a woman is some kind of “Get Out Of Jail Free” card. I hate that.
I’m not comfortable with it, but I sure am not surprised if she gets a shove or a slap back.
The poor guy can’t win either way. Either he is a wimp for being beat up by a girl or he is an asshole for hitting a woman.
I am completely mind fucked by this type of attitude. In the circles I run if a man slaps a woman and other men are around, regardless of the reason he will wakeup wondering what happened after he slapped her. I am not exaggerating. When I was a bouncer at this Irish pub down here a guy made the kind of mistake of slapping a girl in retaliation and he was beaten pretty badly by several members of out local Rugby Team. No hesitation or questioning did she deserve it. It is simple; if you are a man you do not hit a woman. We are stronger and always have the ability to leave.
A man is never a wimp for allowing a woman to slap him and not retaliating. In my book if he does slap her he is a pussy coward scumbag and deserves his ass kicked. Feel free to make a line if you feel otherwise woman hitters.
It is our responsibility to our fellow man to let him know that he has crossed a line that is not to be crossed by kicking the shit out of him.
Thanks, your response was an eye opener also.
I appreciate seeing that side of things
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I have been a member of this site for a few years and do not post that often. I read a lot of the articles and look over the forums for entertainment. You are a very active poster who contributes quite a bit to this site. Thanks to you as well.
I have a great appreciation for strong driven women and have the honor of being married to one. I cannot imagine treating her as less than an equal in all areas of our relationship, and I cannot imagine any situation where I would slap a person whom is my equal, slapping a man for instance would be a huge sign of disrespect. That being said, I do expect the same curtsy from her and have never had to ask that of her. I feel sorry that others do not think that is normal or expected; of themselves and those whom they are suppose to love.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
BlakeAJackson wrote:
You are showing the logic of a coward in your post as well. Enjoy!
Explain that one to me.[/quote]
I am pretty sure I did.
We are stronger. We are not equal in that respect. Stronger does not usually equate to second rate as you put it. So it stands to reason that you consider yourself an equal in regards to strength with a woman. So you are no longer a man, but a second rate man by NORMAL standards of manliness. If this is not true which I assume it is not then you are reasoning as a coward in order to justify your “pussyness”.
I cannot break it down any further so if this does not clarify I suggest that you immediately enroll in a logic class at the closest university and stay there until you can reason clearly.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
We are stronger. We are not equal in that respect. Stronger does not usually equate to second rate as you put it. So it stands to reason that you consider yourself an equal in regards to strength with a woman. So you are no longer a man, but a second rate man by NORMAL standards of manliness. If this is not true which I assume it is not then you are reasoning as a coward in order to justify your “pussyness”.
I cannot break it down any further so if this does not clarify I suggest that you immediately enroll in a logic class at the closest university and stay there until you can reason clearly.[/quote]
Why so confrontational?
All I’m saying is that your comments make it sound like men should just roll over and accept being treated like a second-class citizen. Gender should play no role whatsoever in this.
We may be stronger, but no man is going to hit a woman first. If one hits me without a damn good reason, you can be sure I’ll shove her off me. Just like if a guy hits a girl for no reason, then she’d better hit him before I do.
Women aren’t as weak as you seem to make them out to be. Most of the women I know could inflict some serious damage if they wanted to.
It’s not like I was telling you to curb-stomp every woman who looked at you wrong.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Makavali wrote:
BlakeAJackson wrote:
You are showing the logic of a coward in your post as well. Enjoy!
Explain that one to me.
I am pretty sure I did.
We are stronger. We are not equal in that respect. Stronger does not usually equate to second rate as you put it. So it stands to reason that you consider yourself an equal in regards to strength with a woman. So you are no longer a man, but a second rate man by NORMAL standards of manliness. If this is not true which I assume it is not then you are reasoning as a coward in order to justify your “pussyness”.
I cannot break it down any further so if this does not clarify I suggest that you immediately enroll in a logic class at the closest university and stay there until you can reason clearly.[/quote]
It’s not about whether or not it’s a fair fight. It’s about fucking RESPECT. People, men AND women, should have enough RESPECT for other people not to lay their hands on them. If anyone, male or female, strikes me with the intent to do harm, regardless of their success in causing said harm, I’m going to do something. I’m going to respond to being DISRESPECTED. I can’t really even say what I’d do, because you can’t exactly plan things like this in advance, but I know I wouldn’t just sit there.
Luckily, I’m not the kind of guy that any woman is going to think she can just take a shot at for the hell of it.
But, I think I’m thinking of a completely different situation from the one you have in mind. I’m thinking of a buddy of mine that was walking to a bar to get a drink when he accidentally bumped into a girl, causing her to spill her drink. She responded by punching him in the face, causing him to have a broken nose. He didn’t do anything but bleed, because his mommy taught him that you’re not supposed to hit girls.
I went looking for the bitch after he told me about it. Never did find her. I’m not sure what I would have done if I had found her, but I’m not going to stand idly by while one of my best friends has his fucking nose broken for absolutely no reason.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I’m thinking of a buddy of mine that was walking to a bar to get a drink when he accidentally bumped into a girl, causing her to spill her drink. She responded by punching him in the face, causing him to have a broken nose. He didn’t do anything but bleed, because his mommy taught him that you’re not supposed to hit girls.[/quote]
That’s the sort of thing I’m talking about. Was that punch really warranted? Should he have just stood there?
The sad thing is, she probably gets away with that sort of behavior all the time.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
I’m thinking of a buddy of mine that was walking to a bar to get a drink when he accidentally bumped into a girl, causing her to spill her drink. She responded by punching him in the face, causing him to have a broken nose. He didn’t do anything but bleed, because his mommy taught him that you’re not supposed to hit girls.
That’s the sort of thing I’m talking about. Was that punch really warranted? Should he have just stood there?
The sad thing is, she probably gets away with that sort of behavior all the time.[/quote]
Apparently you both are on the same cowardly wave length.
I use this thing called Context when I read and reply to posts. Please go back and explain to me where I should have ever imagined a situation like the one just described? As a matter of fact explain to me where any of the people that I was addressing prior to you two indicated that a woman punched them? I read slap. That�??s a big difference. That being said, I will entertain your new scenario and explain why you are both still cowards and wrong.
I believe this is a cowardly attempt to weasel out of my having exposed you as such.
First if a complete stranger be them female or male is drunk in a bar and they punch you, it has nothing to do with them trying to disrespect you. You base your claim for violent retaliation on RESPECT. This can only stem from inadequacy issues that you suffer from especially if the attacker is a female. The correct manly response to a drunk woman punching you and breaking your nose is likely the exact one that your friend choose. The only other possibilities that I can think of are an knee jerk response were you punched back, but then immediately feel bad and fled because you hit a woman. Two, you shove her away to avoid further blows. Three restrain her until someone can get her under control and call the police or just leave.
If you take a strange drunken woman�??s random act of aggression as a sign of disrespect it is likely because you have some repressed homosexual jealousy of her ability to take dicks and not face as harsh a social stigma as you would have to being a man and doing so. Since however it is your secret desire to be a woman and take dicks you feel justified in beating the shit out of a drunk, weaker woman. This seems especially true in the case of Steel Nation who went to find the girl who hurt his beloved boy friend, to avenge this injustice that he suffered from these out of control women. God knows that women in bars all across the world are randomly assaulting innocent helpless men and going un-check! Because as Makavali wrote:
Your mothers must be so proud that you would stand up against all of these crazy man assaulting females in the name of justice.
The internet is truly out of control. There is no social setting other than this where I believe any Man would voice his willingness and actual violence against women with no self-humiliation. Go around you work place and tell your co workers that you think that its okay to slap a woman. This type of posting is cowardly, if you truly believe you are right own your actions. Steel Nation would have beaten that girl�??s ass that hurt his friend and triumphantly told everyone about it. What a HERO!
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Go around you work place and tell your co workers that you think that its okay to slap a woman. This type of posting is cowardly, if you truly believe you are right own your actions. Steel Nation would have beaten that girl�??s ass that hurt his friend and triumphantly told everyone about it. What a HERO!
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So women should be immune from being hit by men? What if a gang of them surrounds you with baseball-bats and knives? Do you just stand there and say “mommy said I’m not allowed to raise a hand to a woman, so just go ahead the beat the fuck out of me because I won’t retaliate”?
I just went around the office now asking people, and they agree with me on the most part - that is:
I was raised to treat woman with respect; I do, and honeslty in the situation I would probably either just shove her away from me or ignore it.
But when you look at it from the outside, if a sober girl was to punch you over a drink being spilt or whatever, she is most definitely not acting like a woman - and in turn should be responded to in the way she acts. Woman want equality, no? Then why play the “but I’m a girl” card?
Agree that woman are not a weak as you may think, but is it also wrong to allow a 120lb guy smack you in the face and you hit him back? Isn’t that wrong becuase he’s smaller and weaker than you?
Blake I can respect you standing to not hit women ever but I just cant agree with it totally. I think I have a unique experience as it comes to this subject.
When I was young I watch my mom get beat up by her husband and swore to never hit a woman and havent to this day. But by the time I was 12 or 13 she had broken her hand on my face b/c of a D in English when I was 18 I told her if she ever touched me again I would kill her. Now I wouldnt have really killed her but I came real close to breaking her face. So in hind site my mom more than likely brought her earlier beatings on herself.
As far as the man being able to “always walk away” that is not always possible. I was a bouncer myself for 4 or 5 yrs and have seen men walk away form women and then the women go after him to the point of waiting in/going out to the parking lot. I even saw a women go get a Bat and start going to town on a guy in the parking lot. He punched her once in the face, dropped her and grabbed the bat. By the time any of us got there or the cops and got the story from the ppl that saw what was going on she went to jail for assault and she wasnt even drunk.
Point being you cant always “walk away” and some time you have to do what you have to do weather you want to or not.
[quote]rsg wrote:
Agree that woman are not a weak as you may think, but is it also wrong to allow a 120lb guy smack you in the face and you hit him back? Isn’t that wrong becuase he’s smaller and weaker than you?[/quote]
Yes, it is just as wrong.
Don’t hit women. I don’t care if they hit you first. Society has some good rules sometimes and this is one of those rules.
When the fuck would a women want to hit you anyway? Obviously the real problem in this situation would be the man’s judgement at being anywhere near such a bitch.
He still must follow the rules and not hit her.
I just can’t see a man ever being in any real danger from a women attacker. The man can probably run faster than the women and flee. He wouldn’t be a coward. He’d be a fucking hero for not hitting a stupid bitch.
Oh and for fucks sake. This equality argument pops up everywhere.
Equality (i.e. worth) does not mean Sameness (i.e. equal in abilities).
I have this argument with girls I know. Men have greater abilites in some respects and women have greater abilities in others.
E.g. I can think in 3D better and she is more aware of non-verbal communication.
And therefore we don’t hit women. Pretty fucking simple.
[quote]Spry wrote:
rsg wrote:
Agree that woman are not a weak as you may think, but is it also wrong to allow a 120lb guy smack you in the face and you hit him back? Isn’t that wrong becuase he’s smaller and weaker than you?
Yes, it is just as wrong.
Don’t hit women. I don’t care if they hit you first. Society has some good rules sometimes and this is one of those rules.
When the fuck would a women want to hit you anyway? Obviously the real problem in this situation would be the man’s judgement at being anywhere near such a bitch.
He still must follow the rules and not hit her.
I just can’t see a man ever being in any real danger from a women attacker. The man can probably run faster than the women and flee. He wouldn’t be a coward. He’d be a fucking hero for not hitting a stupid bitch.[/quote]
Ok I’ve taken some points to extreme’s purely becuase the other poster did too, chances are I’ll never have a situation where a woman will hit me for no reason.
I don’t and never have hit a woman, but if I was ever attacked by a girl(s), unprovoked, you’d be a retard to think that I’m going to run away. A woman has no right to hit a man. Simple! A man has no right to hit a woman…one deviates from there rights, for the other to not do the same is cowardly…literally taking it like a bitch. No, A woman may not hit me and I will no thit her.
If she takes liberty in the fact that she has more rights than myself and attacks me physically, I will show her her mistake! Maybe not by hitting her back, but it will be made clear.
Now, as for allowing someone smaller than you to hit you and you turn the other cheek - WHAT?!?!? Are you kidding me? You would think it wrong to hit back someone who have physically attacked you because you are bigger? They obviously think it’s ok to hit you, I don’t understand your logic.
Yep. That was the “unwriten” rule when I was a kid, and it still stands today. NEVER HIT A WOMAN.
I think the whole stupid gansta and rap mentality of “smack my bitch up” has opened the door for a lot of young males.
If you want to be a real man, act like it. If you’re really big and strong, then hold/restrain her if the punches fly. Otherwise, walk away.
And keep on making up those stupid “what if she…” scenarios. All you’re looking for is a reason to justify your deep seated desire to smack down a woman. Like Blake said, don’t be a pussy.
Once when I was in college, I dated an older woman for a while. One day she saw me talking with a female friend. Later she confronted me about it and not believing my intentions she ended up assaulting me with a barrage of punches as well as grabbing my collar and pushing me up against a door, all the while screaming at me. I just stayed cool, smiled and laughed through my nose. She was so pissed off at this she stormed out of my apartment. Case closed. I never felt threatened enough to hit her.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
I’m thinking of a buddy of mine that was walking to a bar to get a drink when he accidentally bumped into a girl, causing her to spill her drink. She responded by punching him in the face, causing him to have a broken nose. He didn’t do anything but bleed, because his mommy taught him that you’re not supposed to hit girls.
That’s the sort of thing I’m talking about. Was that punch really warranted? Should he have just stood there?
The sad thing is, she probably gets away with that sort of behavior all the time.
Apparently you both are on the same cowardly wave length.
I use this thing called Context when I read and reply to posts. Please go back and explain to me where I should have ever imagined a situation like the one just described? As a matter of fact explain to me where any of the people that I was addressing prior to you two indicated that a woman punched them? I read slap. That�??s a big difference. That being said, I will entertain your new scenario and explain why you are both still cowards and wrong.
I believe this is a cowardly attempt to weasel out of my having exposed you as such.
First if a complete stranger be them female or male is drunk in a bar and they punch you, it has nothing to do with them trying to disrespect you. You base your claim for violent retaliation on RESPECT. This can only stem from inadequacy issues that you suffer from especially if the attacker is a female. The correct manly response to a drunk woman punching you and breaking your nose is likely the exact one that your friend choose. The only other possibilities that I can think of are an knee jerk response were you punched back, but then immediately feel bad and fled because you hit a woman. Two, you shove her away to avoid further blows. Three restrain her until someone can get her under control and call the police or just leave.
If you take a strange drunken woman�??s random act of aggression as a sign of disrespect it is likely because you have some repressed homosexual jealousy of her ability to take dicks and not face as harsh a social stigma as you would have to being a man and doing so. Since however it is your secret desire to be a woman and take dicks you feel justified in beating the shit out of a drunk, weaker woman. This seems especially true in the case of Steel Nation who went to find the girl who hurt his beloved boy friend, to avenge this injustice that he suffered from these out of control women. God knows that women in bars all across the world are randomly assaulting innocent helpless men and going un-check! Because as Makavali wrote:
The sad thing is, she probably gets away with that sort of behavior all the time.
Your mothers must be so proud that you would stand up against all of these crazy man assaulting females in the name of justice.
The internet is truly out of control. There is no social setting other than this where I believe any Man would voice his willingness and actual violence against women with no self-humiliation. Go around you work place and tell your co workers that you think that its okay to slap a woman. This type of posting is cowardly, if you truly believe you are right own your actions. Steel Nation would have beaten that girl�??s ass that hurt his friend and triumphantly told everyone about it. What a HERO!
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Oh, so you’re a troll then. Good to know.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Once when I was in college, I dated an older woman for a while. One day she saw me talking with a female friend. Later she confronted me about it and not believing my intentions she ended up assaulting me with a barrage of punches as well as grabbing my collar and pushing me up against a door, all the while screaming at me. I just stayed cool, smiled and laughed through my nose. She was so pissed off at this she stormed out of my apartment. Case closed. I never felt threatened enough to hit her. [/quote]
Neither should any man. But if she pulled out a knife and was stronger than you? That is my point.
I’m talking about life-threatening situations, where it doesn’t matter if it’s a man/woman/transexsual or whatever.