To Intervene or Not to Intervene?

Treat a woman like a lady if she acts like one. I’ve seen numerous trashy, drunk women physically attack men, and I think it fine in such a case to hit back - purely becuase it is human vs. human in such a situation.

Furthermore, I’m not saying I would punch a drunk girl because she slapped me, but if i was repeatedly being punched by a crazed woman, you bet your ass she gonna get punched back.

Parents, you gotta beat your kids. A smacked bottom with a belt or hand is what kept us in line when we were younger - now look at how little respect minors have for adults.

As for interevening, not unless it’s an extremely unfair situation.

I tend to look at encounters with a lady (an innocent lady mind you) or an elderly person that is being verbaly or on the verge of a physical assault.

Me and my wife was at the Old country Buffet one day, and this wannabe"Thug" was in this old mans face yelling at him and all only because he asked him to move as he was blocking the isle. (yes I heard what was going on). And acting like he was about to jump this guy.

I just could not sit there and let that happen, I got up and stepped between the “thug” and the elderly man, and just stared down this idiot, not a word or anything. He backed down and went on his way. And the old guy was happily on his way.

Glad it did not escalate mind you, but just had to be done. Luckily my wife was there to watch my six as I ate :).

Just dont understand somebody thinking they are “badasses” threatening a lady or the elderly…Redhead here with a slowburning fuse just dont ignite it :wink:

[quote]Himora22 wrote:

I fail to see how that is a “Dumb-ass redneck mentality” just b/c he is in GA. Hell for all you know he could he from NJ. I could call you a 'dumb ass Greaseball",“Spaghetti Bender” or “Wop” if you like that one better, seeing as sense you are from NJ its plane as day you are of Italian descent. Men all over the world beet their SO/kids, and just b/c someone from the south says something you dont like dose not make them a “redneck”.

As a side note I have lived in the south my hole life and never seen a banjos or heard one.

(edit) sry AL not GA[/quote]

While agree that you shouldn’t categorize people based on their geographical region, you’re not really helping your case much by continually writing “whole” without the “w”…

[quote]Himora22 wrote:
I fail to see how that is a “Dumb-ass redneck mentality” just b/c he is in GA. Hell for all you know he could he from NJ. I could call you a 'dumb ass Greaseball",“Spaghetti Bender” or “Wop” if you like that one better, seeing as sense you are from NJ its plane as day you are of Italian descent.[/quote]

You’d be better off calling me a “Kraut”, or “Nazi” since I’m mostly German (and don’t have a single drop of Italian blood in me). lol

I’ve never hit my son and he’s a model child at 15. And besides, it’s BEAT, not BEET as you continually spell it, further perpetuating the stereotype that southerners are dumb.

[quote]As a side note I have lived in the south my hole life and never seen a banjos or heard one.
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That’s a shame. Bluegrass music is quite entertaining.
Oh, and that would be your WHOLE life, not HOLE life. lol

I’ve got nothing against you, Himora. I come here to have fun like everyone else.

It’s not suppose to be Alabama, it’s suppose to be Arizona. I didn’t realize I switched it.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Do folks remember Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker? He was caught after a woman recognized him and a mob pursued him and captured him. Well they also beat him a bit, but they did catch him.

Ir not intervention, a willingness to stand up and do something caught him.[/quote]

Yes, I remember. They caught him in East L.A. not the most ideal place you want an angry mob to catch you for some pay back if you’re a serial killer.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

When did it become so wrong to hit a woman? They aren’t defenseless.

If someone deserves an ass whooping’ they should get an ass whooping, plain and simple.

Now a days, some woman do not have any respect, they think they can get away with anything, just like little kids. Why? Because no one humbles their ass no more.[/quote]

“There is nothing worse than a woman who knows that you ain’t gonna hit her”. - Chris Rock

I would never hit a woman. However, there seems to be a growing number of woman who act like total cunts because they know that very, very few men will give them the ass whipping they deserve.

Sadly, respect for our fellow man is fading fast from this society.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

You’d be better off calling me a “Kraut”, or “Nazi” since I’m mostly German (and don’t have a single drop of Italian blood in me). lol

I’ve never hit my son and he’s a model child at 15. And besides, it’s BEAT, not BEET as you continually spell it, further perpetuating the stereotype that southerners are dumb.

That’s a shame. Bluegrass music is quite entertaining.
Oh, and that would be your WHOLE life, not HOLE life. lol

I’ve got nothing against you, Himora. I come here to have fun like everyone else.

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I dont have anything against either and am sry if I came across that way. But the point I was trying to make is just b/c you are from NJ doesnt mean your of Italian decent.

The fact that you have never hit your son is great but not what I said. There are ppl, men and women, who abuse their SO/kids every day and that is wrong. But there are some people (men, women and children) who deserve to get hit. Thats all I was saying. As for my poor spelling, well there is not much I can do about that and Im not ashamed of, I do the best I can so if I leave out a ‘w’ or chance an ‘a’ to ‘e’ bear with me =) …you can call them joshisms if you want, my dad does

[quote]Himora22 wrote:
But to rap it up she is one girl who needs the shit beet out of her once to bring her down a peg or two [/quote]

I’d never hit a woman. But I’d shake the shit out of her.

[quote]Himora22 wrote:
I dont have anything against either and am sry if I came across that way. But the point I was trying to make is just b/c you are from NJ doesnt mean your of Italian decent.

The fact that you have never hit your son is great but not what I said. There are ppl, men and women, who abuse their SO/kids every day and that is wrong. But there are some people (men, women and children) who deserve to get hit. Thats all I was saying. As for my poor spelling, well there is not much I can do about that and Im not ashamed of, I do the best I can so if I leave out a ‘w’ or chance an ‘a’ to ‘e’ bear with me =) …you can call them joshisms if you want, my dad does[/quote]

Understood, Josh.
Additionally, my original (and admittedly harsh) statement which included name calling (redneck) had to do with his abusive mindset, not his location (Hell, we have a ton of rednecks right here in Jersey). I’m just intolerant of violence against women and children. A lower-class mentality of men often feel that women should constantly be put “in their place”, and that’s more redneck to me than anything.

The south hasn’t exactly fully evolved yet, surely we must agree on that.

Look no further than that imbecile Sally Kern.

[quote]justrob wrote:
Spend enough time in bars, pubs or clubs, or even just in the real world, and odds are you’re going to witness a violent confrontation. Not directly be the victim of one yourself hopefully, but see one at least.

The question is, do you get involved or not.

I’ve seen a few physical assaults - and sometimes I’ve stepped in, sometimes not. The times I’ve intervened, it was always the case of a girl being set upon a guy or bunch of guys. That’s not something I can let happen without doing something, or trying to. Guys being beaten, or guys or girls being verbally abused, I’ve generally stayed away from.

I’m not trying to be a tough guy here - I’ll openly admit I was absolutely shitting myself when I approached each and every one of those confrontations. Then for days after each event, I had to deal with the intense emotional and adrenal aftermath that’s hard to describe if you haven’t felt it. And on one occasion, intervening nearly cost me my life.

But I haven’t regretted any of my decisions to get involved to date. I can still see the faces of other male bystanders who turned towards the scene of the girl being attacked, watched nervously for a while and then turned away. I guess every man has to make up their own mind about what they should do - but they’re cowards in my book. (Actually what really got me angry - and still does when I think back to it - is how some of them came up to me/us when it was all over and asked if I/we needed any help. Yeah five minutes ago, you wanker.)

The reaction from my family and friends when hearing about each incident afterwards has been mixed. My girlfriend, understandably, has pleaded with me to walk away. More pathetically, both her father and mine separately told me never to get involved. (How the fuck could I NOT get involved! If that had been my girlfriend or my sister I sure as hell hope that someone else would have stepped in.) My mother and my closest friends understood.

I’m writing all this not to seem like a hero. Every bit of self-preservatory natural instinct within me was screaming for me to walk away from every violence I ever witnessed. And sometimes I did. Heck, even right now I don’t even know what I’d do if I saw something like that on the street tomorrow - in my experience, all preconceived notions of how brave you’d be and what you’d do, go right out the window the second you realise you’re in the middle of the real thing.

Perhaps I can’t be too harsh (though I am!) on those I call cowards. Perhaps I was also a coward for walking away at times when I should have stepped in. I don’t know and never will.

The point of this long-winded post is to hopefully kick off a discussion of how you guys who’ve been in similar situations have handled them. What you’ve learned, what you’d do differently, what you’d probably walk away from. Or anything related you’d care to share.

Regards, Rob

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I agree with everything that you have included as parameters to intervene. I always do the same; I would only add that if I see a child being hurt or abused I will always say/do something. I recently had a situation where I was traveling from Dallas back to Galveston and saw a guy kicking and punching a girl on the feeder road to I-45 about half way between Waco and Houston. BFE, for anyone who is not familiar with that stretch of road. I thought she is being kidnapped or car jacked. I always carry my gun on trips so I slammed on the breaks and got off to the side of the road.

My wife did not want me to go and help, but that is why I lift weights and own a gun, so that I am not afraid should I have to face confrontation. So I put the gun in my back pocket, took out my cell phone and began to run across the 150 yards of grass to the feeder road and the couple. When I approached it appeared that no harm was done to the woman, she had no visible marks and was not crying. The Guy told me that he was “Just playing around”. I told him that it was not funny and that he could shut the fuck up until I was done making sure that the woman did not need help. She assured me that she was fine and I let him know that since she did not need my help and was not visibly harmed that I would leave, but that I not only had a phone to call the police but that I had a gun on me.

I wanted to drive home the seriousness of such ignorant behavior and the potential danger that he brought to himself and others by imitating such an act in such a public area. I have no doubt that this woman is abused at home, but if she is not asking for my help, or in immediate need of my help it is not my place to do anything.

[quote]boatguy wrote:
Only time I’ve had to intervene is when one of my boys(who was beyond hammered) was trying to start shit with some dude who “was looking at my girl.” When I saw the reality of the situation, I threatened to beat his ass myself. Stopped hanging with him shortly after that.

I got into a similar conversation with some of my guys from work. When we are on trips for training, of course we sample the local nightlife. The statement was made that if one of your boys was in a fight, you had to jump in. I disagreed.

If my boy Dumbass runs his mouth and starts a fight, then I’ll watch, and only jump in to keep it fair(ie, multiple attackers). Other than that, he’s on his own. Dumbass gets jumped for no reason and is taking the worse of it, I’ll help stop it. Outside of those criteria, I’ll be at the bar getting another beer.

Those criteria obviously extend to other patrons as well. If a group of guys jumps a chick or other guy and is beating them just because they can, then hell yes I’m in that shit. Otherwise, look for me at the bar. When we do go out, I’m usually one of the most sober guys(I am not a heavy drinker by any means, and rarely get beyond a slight buzz). I have had to intervene when a bouncer was going after one of my guys, in order to avoid a fight and get the idiot out of the bar.[/quote]

This is how I feel also about friends getting in to fights.

At my wedding one of my friends from high school told another one of my friends that I had a philosophy that if you were getting your ass kicked you probably did something to deserve it so I would not help you beyond stopping the fight. I did not remember ever saying that in high school, but I guess that it was understood.

The only time I had an opportunity to intervene a guy was being extremely verbally abusive to a woman in the blockbuster parking lot. It looked like things were gonna escalate, so I told the guy to chill out (this was 9 years ago). The woman then started yelling at me and my friends so we left. Moral of the story.

Don’t assume your always helping. Don’t assume that once you beat the jerks head in that the girl won’t scream that you started the assault. Some girls are drawn (or unwilling to leave) to abusive relationships.

[quote]yasser wrote:
Some girls are drawn (or unwilling to leave) to abusive relationships.[/quote]

And that’ why I’d only interfere if:

a) I know her (and she isn’t batshit crazy)
b) I don’t know her, but she’s getting a sound beating AND there are witnesses.

Otherwise, chances are that she’ll turn on you.

[quote]yasser wrote:
The only time I had an opportunity to intervene a guy was being extremely verbally abusive to a woman in the blockbuster parking lot. It looked like things were gonna escalate, so I told the guy to chill out (this was 9 years ago). The woman then started yelling at me and my friends so we left. Moral of the story.

Don’t assume your always helping. Don’t assume that once you beat the jerks head in that the girl won’t scream that you started the assault. Some girls are drawn (or unwilling to leave) to abusive relationships.[/quote]

With domestic disputes that is definitely true. Arguments are not worth putting yourself in harms way over.

That being said, I once had a Drunkard/Hobo, which was yelling at a gas station clerk because she told him he had been ban from the store. He started calling her a bitch and all so I politely open the door and said hey buddy this door is open for you now leave. He was very pissed but said nothing and left. After that I felt like maybe I took an unnecessary risk being that this guy looked like he was crazy, but I was having a bad day and would have loved to punch someone so I, maybe foolishly, overlooked the risk to myself.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
I dont have anything against either and am sry if I came across that way. But the point I was trying to make is just b/c you are from NJ doesnt mean your of Italian decent.

Understood, Josh.
Additionally, my original (and admittedly harsh) statement which included name calling (redneck) had to do with his abusive mindset, not his location (Hell, we have a ton of rednecks right here in Jersey). I’m just intolerant of violence against women and children. A lower-class mentality of men often feel that women should constantly be put “in their place”, and that’s more redneck to me than anything.
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point

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
A lower-class mentality of men often feel that women should constantly be put “in their place”[/quote]

Constantly? No. But there are some (not many) out there that do need a good slap. You can’t really deny that.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’m just intolerant of violence against women and children[/quote]

Actual violence right? Especially when it comes to kids. I know I’d be a right mess if I didn’t get the occasional whack across the knuckles when I was a kid. Because that would be classed as ‘discipline’.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
A lower-class mentality of men often feel that women should constantly be put “in their place”

Constantly? No. But there are some (not many) out there that do need a good slap. You can’t really deny that.

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hhmmmmm not a fan