[quote]Ericka wrote:
Travis Mash "
Mash vs. Coan is set. The numbers at the Mountaineer Cup will settle all the bs about gear and true top lifts.
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Does anyone know if ESPN will be covering this?
I love all the people that doubt me! This is what drives me. This is a cool site. You guys need to buy your tickets now for the Mountaineer Cup. 2500 at 242 is done.
I am very excited to prove just what I am capable of. Do you think that 2500 at 242 will be acceptable? I am just playing with you guys a little. Cool site!
I am excited to see what I can do single ply and head to head with the greatest. I predict 2500 at 242. Cool site!
Travis, I hear you are gonna compete in olympic weightlifting soon. geez, what is next? Will you try out for the 49ers? lol they could probably use you.
One thing I have found is, since I have started wearing gear, my raw lifts have gone up too.
[quote]mattwray wrote:
One thing I have found is, since I have started wearing gear, my raw lifts have gone up too.[/quote]
Yup me too. Lifting while wearing gear is like a different lift and therefore a different stimulus which will carry back over to your raw.
Coan vs. Mash is kinda silly. Ed is comming back from a horrific injury that he suffered a couple of years ago. He has hasn’t been able to pull sumo for years due to a leg injury. When he set that 2400lbs record it was way back in 1991, over 14 years ago. I think ed is a true competitor to agree to do this, but to compare the two nowadays is like having barry bonds and hank aaron have a home run derby. Funny thing is that ed still stands a chance of beating him. That’s how great coan is.
As far as non powerlifters not being allowed to have an opinion on gear, I offer the exact opposite. Back when I wrestled, we had all these stupid practices of cutting weight and it wasn’t until three guys died doing it that outside parties came in and forced the sport to change. I think powerlifting is too clouded by the massive improvements gear has made in people’s totals and has absolutely no objective opinion on the subject.
Of course you don’t want to see gear go, you spent all that time learning it and look at how much more weight you can lift in it. You might as well try to take food from a starving man, than try to take away pounds from a powerlifter. It is what they live and die by. No matter how ridiculus the suits and shirts get, you will never hear a powerlifter say stop. What does it matter to them how ridiculus their sport looks now with these bench suits where their arms are fixed out like frankenstein and they look like turtles on their backs when they lie down on a bench.
Or what does it matter that they can’t even bend over under the monolift because their suits are too stiff. I am not saying that powerlifters don’t have some valid opinions when it comes to gear but they are so clouded by it’s effects, the arguement that gear doesn’t lift weights by itself is getting pretty tired.
Anyone who follows powerlifing would already know that gear is different when comparing Coan’s and Marsh’s lifts, or when comparing lifts between different federations allowing different gear and rules.
Apples to oranges in some cases. In others maybe a Granny Smith to a Fuji apple. The difference is not so great.
Do they really need an asterisk next to every lift in order to describe the gear when a PL magazine writes about it? If you followed it you would know the difference already. For those who don’t, their oppinions don’t really matter.
Probably the only way to know for sure would be to have everyone lift completely raw, no belt, suits, wraps, or anything. That will not happen.
So just compare yourself to other apples of the same variety.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
As far as non powerlifters not being allowed to have an opinion on gear, I offer the exact opposite. Back when I wrestled, we had all these stupid practices of cutting weight and it wasn’t until three guys died doing it that outside parties came in and forced the sport to change. I think powerlifting is too clouded by the massive improvements gear has made in people’s totals and has absolutely no objective opinion on the subject.
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I agree. Sometimes an outside perspective is more objective.
The bottom line with gear is it helps you lift more, whether it be 5lbs or 100lbs, if it didn’t help you lift more, then no one would wear it.
I don’t see anything wrong with this, because a lifter can choose to compete raw or with gear. Lifters have a choice.
I think it is a bad idea to have lists that include the lifts of both raw lifters and lifters with gear.
If lists aren’t going to differentiate how the lifts were acheived, then there might as well be OPEN meets that allow raw lifters to compete agains lifters with gear. Of course the raw lifters would lose.
Lifters should compete how ever they want to, but please don’t overshadow the accomplishments of past raw lifters by not differentiating their lifts from lifts with gear.
I hope that I am figuring out this forum. Anyway, I think it is so funny that when I was doing the WPO only people always were saying that I would get killed if I did single ply and went against ED. Now that I am they are saying that it is not fair because it is late in his career, injuries, bla, bla. Let me tell you, Ed will be in the best shape of his life. I know the guy, and this is going to be the toughest battle that either one of us has had.
Not to mention, if I total 2500 single ply, everyone needs to shut the f#$k up anyway. I mean come on. Anyway thanks for the props from the rest of you. I appreciate that a lot.
Travis
Travis, if you total 2500 hundred in a single ply, I will personally shut the fuck up about you wearing lifting gear forever. Good luck.
What date is the the Mountaineer Cup?
Did the Moutaineer cup take place last month? Did Coan win?
“To all the Gear Haters”
Thats calling people out and thats not cool. You like gear and PL thats great. So is talking about the fun you have doing it.
Whats not cool is calling people out and trying to invalidate their point when its not a matter of fact but of taste really.
Some of us dont like gear, so what? You sound worried. Like you need to prove us “wrong” to validate what your experiencing.
Enjoy the gear.
[quote]Jersey5150 wrote:
“To all the Gear Haters”
Thats calling people out and thats not cool. You like gear and PL thats great. So is talking about the fun you have doing it.
Whats not cool is calling people out and trying to invalidate their point when its not a matter of fact but of taste really.
Some of us dont like gear, so what? You sound worried. Like you need to prove us “wrong” to validate what your experiencing.
Enjoy the gear.[/quote]
While I agree with you to a certain extent, there are probably 10 threads on here accusing gear users of cheating, Kennelly couldn’t bench 500lbs raw, etc and so forth.
I think this is just tit for tat.
[quote]Jersey5150 wrote:
“To all the Gear Haters”
Thats calling people out and thats not cool. You like gear and PL thats great. So is talking about the fun you have doing it.
Whats not cool is calling people out and trying to invalidate their point when its not a matter of fact but of taste really.
Some of us dont like gear, so what? You sound worried. Like you need to prove us “wrong” to validate what your experiencing.
Enjoy the gear.[/quote]
What’s next? Is your mother going to call us and tell us to apologize? hahaha.
Don’t be such a girl. There is obviously a contingent here that has their panties in a wad about a niche sport using equipment for that sport, and this was just an attempt to reach out to them and let them know that gear isn’t a giant evil that we need to rid the world of. Next time, read the post, then put the title into context.
PS I’m sorry if we made you cry.
[quote]offroadbiker wrote:
by the way, I tried a little experiment this morning - I took my squat suit down to the basement gym, and put it under the bar. I didn’t use any plates at first so I could get a good baseline. I helped it out of the rack so that it got a good walkout, and when I let go, the bar crashed to the ground and it got pancaked… I was expecting that it would’ve at least been able to do 45 lbs…[/quote]
im not against gear at all but that is the stupidest argument for gear ive ever read.
I took my car to the races and wanted to see how fast it would go without a driver… guess what it didnt go anywhere…
I lifted my plane up in a crane to see how far it would fly without me driving it? it didnt fly
My bike has been sitting in the garage for 6 months and hasnt gone anywhere by itself
Seriously… your analogy equates a equipment to a car a plane and a bike which ALL DO REALLY HELP PERFORMANCE!!! Youll never see anyone claiming that they can run 100m in 3 seconds (because they did it in their car)
There must be a billion better arguments than that…
Whatever happened in the showdown between Coan and Travis Mash?
I just did a search from what i can see Coan beat mash
Coan = 2281
Mash = 2204
Not Coans best hence he was not in his best form ever…
Also not 2500 infact nearly 300 off