Tlaib and Omar Barred from Israel

Thats an unarguably true statement. It would take the flexibility of a mountain yogi to deny it.

Good examples.

And that last one was one of Trump’s “double-down’s” so you didn’t have to even speculate.

He not only wasn’t worried about the debt…he wasn’t worried about it because “…he would be gone, and it would be somebody else’s problem…”

Alas, he shares that opinion with, conservatively, 60% of the US population/Legislature.

Fair enough. @Legalsteel

One can list their favorite or all-time-great President…and that would be true.

My issue is as many have pointed out in the past much better than me…

Don’t totally lose your shit over something one person (in this case, one President) does or says…then become a Lap-dog when another person does similar, (if not worse things, in Trump’s case)…

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Remember Obama’s preacher saying god damn America?

Remember Trump saying America has done some bad things too while defending Putin, I believe?

They didn’t get the same reaction.

Totally agree. I think the current tribalism is borderline idolatrous.

‘Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.’

Agree.

Every once and a while I like to make it clear, @Legalsteel, that I am neither a fan of, nor a supporter of, the current direction of the Democratic Party either…

I don’t think I am alone in this, either. It is truly a frustrating position to be in.

I want to support something or someone in the Political arena now…but not at the expense of literally “losing my Soul…”

I have said more than once that I may be sitting out this upcoming Presidential election…something I have never done my entire voting Life.

To each his own.

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I think it’s either a case of us overanalyzing every word a president or candidate utters just hoping we can catch some slip up or perceived slip up or, presidents and candidates need to choose their words more carefully in which case they might end up talking less. I don’t think they’ll learn to just shut up sometimes.

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I think this is entirely correct. I also think it lowers the quality of the candidates. The candidates who rise now aren’t doing so because of merit, they are rising because of their capacity to either avoid or absorb gaffes.

Honestly, who would run for office now given the microscopic scrutiny you’d be under if you did? The practiced or the deranged.

Absolutely. I never thought he behaved much like the far lefty he was painted as.

However Dems were awful quick to be ok when he continued some of the Bush policies they hated. This is why both parties suck ass. They have these principles and things that are super important for America when the other teams in power. The moment one of them gets it all that goes out the window.

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Carter sent his daughter to public school in DC I believe, Obama sent his kids to private school.

Because Obama wasn’t the communist Fox news told us, imagine what could have gotten done had the GOP not insisted on being anti Obama on everything he brought up.

This is not uncommon. You can find dozens of labour MP’s who rail against grammar and private schools whose kids end up in them.

I will never trust a politician who rails against private or selective schools who doesn’t send their kids to a public school.

Edit: Peter Hitchens talks about a committed Russian communist whose one act that was inconsistent was to pull levers to get his granddaughter into the best Moscow school.

I’m sure @loppar can provide more than a few examples of that too.

Now, to be clear, I don’t think Obama was a communist, I do think it is incorrect to assume his politics from where he sent his kids to school.

Seamus Milne cough cough. There is this particular type of Western communist sympathizers who for some peculiar reason choose to live under the yoke of plutocratic capitalism instead of moving to a freedom loving country such as Venezuela or Cuba. I guess matcha lattes are more important than world revolution.

Oh, don’t get me started. Here’s one example, each Warsaw pact country had its chain of foreign goods stores (Beryozka in the USSR) where you could buy goods imported from the West - food, clothing, consumer electronics, you name it, tax free and much cheaper that in the West.

The catch is that you had to pay in foreign currency (imperialist dollars, francs and pounds) or with special vouchers issued by the government for Soviet citizens earning foreign currency, namely diplomats and Party elites. So while the regular Soviet citizens patiently waited for hours in lines for rationed goods, Party elites could fill their shopping carts with items from the West hassle free in Beryozka stores.

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As this quote from an 1977 NYT article, this is how equality looked like:

The catch is that it is a criminal offense for Soviet citizens to possess Western ‘currency. Some of the elite, like those allowed to work abroad, receive special ruble certificates that can be spent for imported and other sought‐after goods in their own special shops. With Soviet consumer goods still lacking in quantity and quality, the privilege is a considerable one.

The average Russian never gets the chance to learn what is for sale in the Beryozka shops. A discreet sign outside the curtained windows declares that only valyuta is accepted; at Larger stores a doorman sits inside the entrance to shoo away unqualified shoppers. Some who wander in have found the refusal traumatic. “They do not want us to have nice things‐they keep them for themselves,” declared an emotional middle‐aged woman who was turned down.

Even the money of the Soviet Union’s fraternal allies, whether Polish zlotys or Mongolian tugriks, is not accepted. What is valid is any hard currency, from Finnmarks to Japanese yen, though dollars seem to be preferred. The goods are priced in rubles and a show is made of converting to hard currency at the prevailing artificial rate of $1.30 to the ruble. Change is returned in whatever is at hand, the reasoning being that all hard currencies are just about the same. A customer who declined to take Dutch guilders as change for dollars at a shop in Moscow was denounced as a capitalist by the angry cashier.

This hypocrisy has only become worse under Putin - pretty much all of Putin’s cronies have an EU passport of convenience and keep their money and their families safely away in Europe or the US, while loudly denouncing their imminent collapse.

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There are few more sickening people than a British liberal.

Abbot - child at private school.
Chakrabarti - child at private school.

To name just two of the most disgusting hypocrites on the Left, both permanently raging against “inequality.”

Yeah like British white supremacists.

God, you really acting like a lily livered creep.

Please stop following my posts around.

Go and grab a blanket and have a little cry wank that I am posting again and it is upsetting you.

I just pointed out something worse and you start crying? I wasn’t even talking about you.

I truly don’t want to spoil this thread, or the other one, filling it with posts to you.

You are a little creep, either post something about the topic or keep to yourself.

Go and have a little cry under the blankets about racism if you want.

Either way, just stfu.