Tips for Training Hamstrings (No Deads)?

[quote]cyberwar wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]cyberwar wrote:
How are you training deadlifts if you’re fatigued for two days after? Write down your typical sets, reps and weight for a workout.

I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I’m able to train deadlifts hard and progress completely fine without running myself into the ground. I mean, I have no issues doing physical work the day after I train.[/quote]

Once my deadlift work reached 2xBW+ for 4-6 reps, I had to move the deads to leg day in order to recover properly. [/quote]
That’s some strong lifts :slight_smile: Did you pair it with back earlier?

What I really asked the OP was how he trained the deadlift, not necessarily the split or exercise pairing. Working up to one max effort set shouldn’t cause too much “deadlift hangover”. Doing something crazy like 10x10 like in GVT on the other hand…
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Yes, with back before I moved them. I just mentioned that because as I became stronger… depending on the leg day and weight/reps used, squatting and deadlifting heavy in the same routine seemed to accumulate fatigue over time.

I find wide stance squats hit my hams and ass way more than shoulder width or closer stance. I just started squatting twice a week for that reason. Toes out, heels 12 - 13 inches apart 12" box squat and then toes straight feet almost as wide apart as the rack will allow. Soreness is 90% hams/ass and 90% quads respectively.

Walking lunges
But really it shuldnt be that big a deal to do physical work the next couple of days after deadlifting, try doing lower volume while still using heavy weight.
I progress pretty slowly on the leg curl to though, have been one plate short of doing the stack for a while now, I’m not that concerned because I dont consider it a mainexercise for me.

Medium weight, super strict form to focus on hammies without undue stress on lower back. I believe for most people, hammies are one of those “pump groups” where you can get them strong as hell (deadlifting 500+), but they still don’t look impressive until you do a lot of pump and isolation work.

[quote]critietaeta wrote:
why not just deadlift the day before you have off so soreness doesnt affect your job?? assuming you have a consistent work schedule.[/quote]

I don’t have a day off all around the year,i run a supermarket and train 5xweek during lunch break into my wharehouse-gym (SM wh ,I mean),monday and thursday are very hard times at job because of trucks deloading good into sm,other days are simply hard (7AM_8PM)
I had to adjust the splits because of job,so Tuesday I train back(width) and legs (press,ext and curls) so I have about 36h to recover before an hard-long walking-free squatting day at work and sometimes it isn’t enough for a proper recover for work…because of this I placed chest and bis on tuesday because they are not involved in my job.
monday; chest bis abs
tuesday back legs
wednesday delts traps tris neck
thursday chest bis
friday OFF
saturday delts trap tris neck

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]critietaeta wrote:
why not just deadlift the day before you have off so soreness doesnt affect your job?? assuming you have a consistent work schedule.[/quote]

I don’t have a day off all around the year,i run a supermarket and train 5xweek during lunch break into my wharehouse-gym (SM wh ,I mean),monday and thursday are very hard times at job because of trucks deloading good into sm,other days are simply hard (7AM_8PM)
I had to adjust the splits because of job,so Tuesday I train back(width) and legs (press,ext and curls) so I have about 36h to recover before an hard-long walking-free squatting day at work and sometimes it isn’t enough for a proper recover for work…because of this I placed chest and bis on tuesday because they are not involved in my job.
monday; chest bis abs
tuesday back legs
wednesday delts traps tris neck
thursday chest bis
friday OFF
saturday delts trap tris neck[/quote]

Welcome to real life. Try joining the military, and having to go to work sore all over. You’re not gonna get much sympathy from me man…the soreness is temporary, suck it up.

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]critietaeta wrote:
why not just deadlift the day before you have off so soreness doesnt affect your job?? assuming you have a consistent work schedule.[/quote]

I don’t have a day off all around the year,i run a supermarket and train 5xweek during lunch break into my wharehouse-gym (SM wh ,I mean),monday and thursday are very hard times at job because of trucks deloading good into sm,other days are simply hard (7AM_8PM)
I had to adjust the splits because of job,so Tuesday I train back(width) and legs (press,ext and curls) so I have about 36h to recover before an hard-long walking-free squatting day at work and sometimes it isn’t enough for a proper recover for work…because of this I placed chest and bis on tuesday because they are not involved in my job.
monday; chest bis abs
tuesday back legs
wednesday delts traps tris neck
thursday chest bis
friday OFF
saturday delts trap tris neck[/quote]

Welcome to real life.

-Thanx,since college I have studied&worked plus sport,of course).

Try joining the military,

-already done man.

and having to go to work sore all over. You’re not gonna get much sympathy from me man…the soreness is temporary, suck it up. [/quote]

oh yes but it’s all a matter of priorities; if I have to lose (big) money because I’m not 100% fresh to check invoices,cash,emploiers&goods I prefer the thing who send steak on my table,i’m a businessman not an employer man…

ok folks, have added some sets (8/10 reps) of romanian dead lift and cutted leg curls,low back recovery before work is ok,judging from femoral soreness walking uphill RDL are 110% better than curls…
thanx

Mike

Didnt read through whole thread, but if it hasnt been said, Box squats!

You can do the GHR off a seated calf raise machine that is plate loaded. Just make sure to get someone to sit on the lever or load it up with a few 45 or 55lb plates either side.

Heavy, super wide stance box squats, really sit back into the lift.

Builds big/strong glutes and hammies.

Wide belt squats will allow you to work your hamstrings as hard as you can without the lower back being the limiting factor.

Wide squats, and kettle bell swings and sumo deads are great hamstring exercises also.

RDL’s and GHR’s are what I use. I do a lot of manual labor at my job, but if I wanna be big then I gotta push through the sore body day after day. That’s what makes you strong mentally.

tnax guys!