sorry,don’t want to hijack the 3ead…i would like to have an advice,because of elbow tendonis i can’t do side dbs raises for medial delt (what i did last 2 years,no pressing for shoulders),so i’m doing dbs MP a la Cutler (“minipress”),after this -just for joke- i took a 10lb db and did side raises,well,they looked like 40lb dbs…
my question is;
do MP works medial deltoids?
thanx
Mike
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
think we’ve covered alot here. i’m off to train shoulders now so i will be thinking of not popping the frank and beans between the db’s on laterals.
video for pre-worlout fun. never really noticed how big lee priest’s traps are while relaxed, monster. like as a second back growing out of the top of his back. here is a shoulder’s and calves video.
Did they make the cameraman lie on the floor to shoot that? lol
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
think we’ve covered alot here. i’m off to train shoulders now so i will be thinking of not popping the frank and beans between the db’s on laterals.
video for pre-worlout fun. never really noticed how big lee priest’s traps are while relaxed, monster. like as a second back growing out of the top of his back. here is a shoulder’s and calves video.
Did they make the cameraman lie on the floor to shoot that? lol[/quote]
i never thought about that. lee was/is a short lil’ guy huh. you expect some of these guys to be monsters then you meet them or see them and realize many are just wee lil’ guys. wide like a door but you could just pick em up and put em in your pocket. seeing taller guys 5’11 -6’2" range really fill out their frame is far more overwhelming, intimidating at least, than seeing a 5’7" dude. women are suppose to be 5’7" hahaha not men.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Priest is 5’4".
[quote]buzza wrote:
sorry,don’t want to hijack the 3ead…i would like to have an advice,because of elbow tendonis i can’t do side dbs raises for medial delt (what i did last 2 years,no pressing for shoulders),so i’m doing dbs MP a la Cutler (“minipress”),after this -just for joke- i took a 10lb db and did side raises,well,they looked like 40lb dbs…
my question is;
do MP works medial deltoids?
thanx
Mike[/quote]
all pressing works/taxes the medial delt to an degree. carefully play around w/ hand position supinated, pronated, neutral to see which seems to stimulate your shoulders the best and irritate your elbow the least.
i think of folks who do a MP type move on a smith machine (realize you indicated dbs, end up behind the bar a lot based on how the bench lines up, when this happens it becomes primarily a load handled by the anterior portion of the deltoids.
again, it comes down to experimenting w/ feeling which part of press ROM stimulates the shoulder’s medial head best, and how your position under the bar creates a plane of movement most desired for what your trying to do. Example - by arching my back on my overhead pressing i recognize i’m getting some chest involvement but to me that is fine because i use a shorter ROM, the lower portion of the press, keeps the movement out of my triceps, and makes me feel like i’m better addressing the entire shoulder and not just the front part of my delts.
Q - about the elbow problems? can you do side laterals on a machine w/ the sides of your upper arm fixed against the pads? if you can i’d think you could use straps to hold db’s keep that same bend in the elbow joint as w/ the machine, and do laterals leading w/ the elbows.
maybe i’m being naive about the extent of your tendonitis, i get some pain in the left shoulder and elbows once in a while but pressing taxes the joint far more than laterals in my case. keeping a good bend in the elbow and not really moving the joint during the movement, allowing the delts to pull - forcing the elbow to lead upward - seems as if it would keep all stress out of the elbows. the straight arm side lateral raise is what would kill my elbows, or moving the angle between forearm and upper arm (bending the arm during/or throughout the movement) even w/ the 10’s or 20’s this would create havoc in the joints. i use the 20 - 45’s for side laterals and it doesn’t cause any flare up’s or pain provided i keep that bent elbow fixed and drive upward leading w/ the elbow.
all that said, i’m not you so, what works for me ‘pain free’ might be painful as hell for you. hope you mend soon.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Priest is 5’4".[/quote]
you’re right he’s listed as such, i would be suprised if he’s really 5’2". when i commented about BB being in the 5’7" range i was including his tiny little ass.
I bet after all this short guy bashing Iron Dwarf won’t laugh at my posts anymore. shit i use to say i was 6’1" during my basketball years, now w/ BB i say i’m 5’11" shorter equals fuller. truth is i’m 6’ on the nose.
if your short w/ small quads it probably makes your ding dong look bigger.
ever since my quads have grown i think my package appears to have shrunk.
my ding-o-ling is like Mr. Olympia. standing alone he’s the champ. pull him next to mass monsters and his weakness is exposed.
up close though…he’s 3D with veiny details. exploding!
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
think we’ve covered alot here. i’m off to train shoulders now so i will be thinking of not popping the frank and beans between the db’s on laterals.
video for pre-worlout fun. never really noticed how big lee priest’s traps are while relaxed, monster. like as a second back growing out of the top of his back. here is a shoulder’s and calves video.
[/quote]
Did they make the cameraman lie on the floor to shoot that? lol[/quote]
i never thought about that. lee was/is a short lil’ guy huh. you expect some of these guys to be monsters then you meet them or see them and realize many are just wee lil’ guys. wide like a door but you could just pick em up and put em in your pocket. seeing taller guys 5’11 -6’2" range really fill out their frame is far more overwhelming, intimidating at least, than seeing a 5’7" dude. women are suppose to be 5’7" hahaha not men. [/quote]
What a dick thing to say (both of you).
Lee is 5’4". His proportions are equal to (or larger than) many taller pros. He worked his “wee” ass off to reach his potential, and that’s something to admire. He can’t help his height, so why criticize? Pick on a person’s laziness, or something he has the power to fix… not a physical limitation like height.
Oh, and I’d bet if you stood next to Lee, you would DEFINITELY be intimidated.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
think we’ve covered alot here. i’m off to train shoulders now so i will be thinking of not popping the frank and beans between the db’s on laterals.
video for pre-worlout fun. never really noticed how big lee priest’s traps are while relaxed, monster. like as a second back growing out of the top of his back. here is a shoulder’s and calves video.
[/quote]
Did they make the cameraman lie on the floor to shoot that? lol[/quote]
i never thought about that. lee was/is a short lil’ guy huh. you expect some of these guys to be monsters then you meet them or see them and realize many are just wee lil’ guys. wide like a door but you could just pick em up and put em in your pocket. seeing taller guys 5’11 -6’2" range really fill out their frame is far more overwhelming, intimidating at least, than seeing a 5’7" dude. women are suppose to be 5’7" hahaha not men. [/quote]
What a dick thing to say (both of you).
Lee is 5’4". His proportions are equal to (or larger than) many taller pros. He worked his “wee” ass off to reach his potential, and that’s something to admire. He can’t help his height, so why criticize? Pick on a person’s laziness, or something he has the power to fix… not a physical limitation like height.
Oh, and I’d bet if you stood next to Lee, you would DEFINITELY be intimidated.
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I found it amusing that they shot the entire scene from a low angle. Not that it’s anything new, or even something Priest necessarily had something to do with. I am well aware of Lee Priest’s accomplishments, and have nothing but respect for the guy as far as that goes.
Lee is 5’4 and 320lbs in the offseason, there are dudes out there at 6’4 that can’t even hit that weight, or even dream to match his proportions. And I seriously doubt anyone here could “pick him up and put him in your pocket”.
If you guys wanna pick on someone, at least make sure you can match what that person has achieved, but then again, I don’t see many huge people around here.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Lee is 5’4 and 320lbs in the offseason, there are dudes out there at 6’4 that can’t even hit that weight, or even dream to match his proportions. And I seriously doubt anyone here could “pick him up and put him in your pocket”.
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I’m well aware of that. It’s still funny how they always try to make short guys look taller on film.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
[quote]buzza wrote:
sorry,don’t want to hijack the 3ead…i would like to have an advice,because of elbow tendonis i can’t do side dbs raises for medial delt (what i did last 2 years,no pressing for shoulders),so i’m doing dbs MP a la Cutler (“minipress”),after this -just for joke- i took a 10lb db and did side raises,well,they looked like 40lb dbs…
my question is;
do MP works medial deltoids?
thanx
Mike[/quote]
all pressing works/taxes the medial delt to an degree. carefully play around w/ hand position supinated, pronated, neutral to see which seems to stimulate your shoulders the best and irritate your elbow the least.
i think of folks who do a MP type move on a smith machine (realize you indicated dbs, end up behind the bar a lot based on how the bench lines up, when this happens it becomes primarily a load handled by the anterior portion of the deltoids.
again, it comes down to experimenting w/ feeling which part of press ROM stimulates the shoulder’s medial head best, and how your position under the bar creates a plane of movement most desired for what your trying to do. Example - by arching my back on my overhead pressing i recognize i’m getting some chest involvement but to me that is fine because i use a shorter ROM, the lower portion of the press, keeps the movement out of my triceps, and makes me feel like i’m better addressing the entire shoulder and not just the front part of my delts.
thanx,your replies make sense to me,my question was also related to what sides of delts were involved in side raises as i have done just this for last two years,and when I do (each 3 months) an all-out set of bb MP i see a costant increase in reps/load,this is -very IMO- an evidence that front/medial delt works togheter
Q - about the elbow problems? can you do side laterals on a machine w/ the sides of your upper arm fixed against the pads? if you can i’d think you could use straps to hold db’s keep that same bend in the elbow joint as w/ the machine, and do laterals leading w/ the elbows.
my elbows (both) are bad; right elbow gets a costant inflammation because my sports (powercasting and before years of snapping the football…),left was good but now i get epicondylitis,painful I would say,switched to dbs with higher reps (10/12) to reduce bb load and stress on joints,unfortunally (or luckily)i train in my warehouse gym during the break from work,old school; incline bench,mini rack,trap bar,bb,dbs,ropes and DISCKS (plates LOL),i will try straps,where i can buy it on line???
maybe i’m being naive about the extent of your tendonitis, i get some pain in the left shoulder and elbows once in a while but pressing taxes the joint far more than laterals in my case. keeping a good bend in the elbow and not really moving the joint during the movement, allowing the delts to pull - forcing the elbow to lead upward - seems as if it would keep all stress out of the elbows. the straight arm side lateral raise is what would kill my elbows, or moving the angle between forearm and upper arm (bending the arm during/or throughout the movement) even w/ the 10’s or 20’s this would create havoc in the joints. i use the 20 - 45’s for side laterals and it doesn’t cause any flare up’s or pain provided i keep that bent elbow fixed and drive upward leading w/ the elbow.
i will try,have to say that i used to do raises with straight elbows and good weights,maybe this is the reason fo0r tendonis…
all that said, i’m not you so, what works for me ‘pain free’ might be painful as hell for you. hope you mend soon.
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thanx
MIke
look man, he’s a monster, i called him a wee lil’ guy because he is short. i don’t mean anything by it, i was JOKING. you’re out of your mind that he is 320 in the off-season.
some people are short. some have crooked teeth. some people have a smelly butt. these are cards we are dealt, we deal with them.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
look man, he’s a monster, i called him a wee lil’ guy because he is short. i don’t mean anything by it, i was JOKING. you’re out of your mind that he is 320 in the off-season.
some people are short. some have crooked teeth. some people have a smelly butt. these are cards we are dealt, we deal with them.[/quote]
Crooked teeth and smelly butt can be resolved. Height cannot.
I think Lee gets up to 285 off-season.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I think Lee gets up to 285 off-season.
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In one of his DVDs he claims 320, with KFC and McDonalds I bet since we all how Lee eats while off, which I still think it’s impressive considering he manages to look mildly fat instead of a becoming a misshaped blob.
from the heart,i cant give a fuck how much he is tall,he is awesome,thick like very few on the planet.
end of story.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I think Lee gets up to 285 off-season.
[/quote]
In one of his DVDs he claims 320, with KFC and McDonalds I bet since we all how Lee eats while off, which I still think it’s impressive considering he manages to look mildly fat instead of a becoming a misshaped blob. [/quote]
LOL! It’s true he holds extra fat quite well. I think he went up to 320 once or twice. I don’t think it’s his normal off-season weight though.
Best thing to do for delts is side laterals with a little body English.
6-8 sets (not including 3-4 warmup sets) works pretty good, and you should focus the exercises to the part of the delt. IE:
Instead of 2 sets of front delts, 2 sets of medial, and 2 sets of rear, do this:
Warmup(2 min rest in between): Set 1, 8-10 reps of 60% of working weight, Set 2, 4-6 reps of 70%, Set 3, 2 reps with 80%
WORKING Sets:
2 sets of seated Barbell Shoulder Press, 4-6 reps, last rep should be a struggle
4 sets of side laterals with a little back movement, 4 - 6 reps , last rep should be a struggle
1 set of rear delt flyes on pec dec, 6 or so reps , as heavy as possible to complete 6 reps.
This way we can still maintain the other parts whilst focusing on the lacking part.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
look man, he’s a monster, i called him a wee lil’ guy because he is short. i don’t mean anything by it, i was JOKING. you’re out of your mind that he is 320 in the off-season.
some people are short. some have crooked teeth. some people have a smelly butt. these are cards we are dealt, we deal with them.[/quote]
Crooked teeth and smelly butt can be resolved. Height cannot.
I think Lee gets up to 285 off-season.
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Lee is a monster i’m not questiong that. As for fixing the smelly butt thing, i’ve been trying for years, it cannot be ammended.
Soap. The yardstick of civilization.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
As for fixing the smelly butt thing, i’ve been trying for years, it cannot be ammended.[/quote]
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Soap. The yardstick of civilization.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
As for fixing the smelly butt thing, i’ve been trying for years, it cannot be ammended.[/quote]
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Alas, i try. Wash the car, and then it rains.