Tipping - Good Idea or Bad Idea

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Alright first of all. I dont make 38 dollars an hour. Second I’m not a server. I am a barback. This means nothing to you October Girl so I didnt specifiy. What it means is I give the rest of the staff what they need to ensure the club is run appropriately. This means I open and close the club night its open and go back when its closed. The bartenders give me a portion of their wage for servicing them.

I serve approximately 14 bartenders a night, and make sure what they do is possible. How many bartenders I serve is irrelevant to how many bread sticks you eat.

I don’t serve or bartend. I make sure the bar can serve people at any moment and in exchange the batenders (by force) give me 20% of what they make.

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I didn’t read all of the replies so I hope this isn’t redundant.

I should probably preface this with the fact that I was a server at one time.

I think tipping is definitely needed. We shouldn’t just raise everyone’s wage. There are always those people that will do the bare minimum, just enough to not get fired. There are also those people that go above and beyond and ensure their customer’s experience is a pleasant one. There is no way in hell they should both be compensated the same.

Also, as far as those BS tip cups at Starbucks and whoever the fuck else thinks they deserve a tip those are bullshit. I tip at places where when you get a job you aren’t getting it for the hourly wage (Starbucks, etc), you are getting it for the tips. And if you are a good server (even if you aren’t good and just learning) that really puts EFFORT into the service then you are getting at least 20%. If I am thirsty and put down a couple of sodas and you refill them promptly, you might be getting 25%. I notice that shit.

Also, I have noticed that I always get much better service if somehow in the first conversation with the server I mention that I used to be a server. It’s kinda like saying look, I tip well if you perform well, so kick ass and I’ll take care of you - without actually saying it.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.

So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.

In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get. [/quote]

Do you have In N Out Burger where you are? In San Diego it starts at $11.00 an hour with full benefits. No tipping.

Damn good burger. This is a double double animal style. They also have low carb where they trade out the bun for lettuce.

Is it a true democracy? You don’t pay your tip until the end.

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Servers should make a third of their current income because unemployment is 14%? That is insulting logic. How about you be the first to take this pay cut?[/quote]

Fella… are you stupid?

can you just explain yourself?

I think you need to re=read your post.

Idiot.

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You quoted that single post 2 or 3 times and asked me to explain it without reading my reply. Don’t call me a retard if you are incapable of reading a reply. Cheapskate.

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Unless the service was poor, I tip everyone.

I tip the chambermaid at hotels
I tip waiters/waitresses
I tip bartenders
I tip cab drivers
I tip appliance delivery men
I tip my trash men (I run out front before Christmas and hand each dude a $10 bill).
I tip the dude in the Caribbean who found us a spot on the beach
I tip the chick at Starbucks
I tip home repairmen (when on service contract through a company)
I tip mens’ room attendants
I tip the parking valet

I tip.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Unless the service was poor, I tip everyone.

I tip the chambermaid at hotels
I tip waiters/waitresses
I tip bartenders
I tip cab drivers
I tip appliance delivery men
I tip my trash men (I run out front before Christmas and hand each dude a $10 bill).
I tip the dude in the Caribbean who found us a spot on the beach
I tip the chick at Starbucks
I tip home repairmen (when on service contract through a company)
I tip mens’ room attendants
I tip the parking valet

I tip.
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You’re way past starving artist status. I’m tempted to agree 100% with OG, but if strippers were fully compensated by management I would probably cry. It just wouldn’t be the same to see them hanging off a pole with a pay stub already tucked in their thong.

Has anyone ever tipped a spotter?

Keeping you from getting crushed > bringing your moons over my hammy

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[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.

So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.

In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get. [/quote]

Do you have In N Out Burger where you are? In San Diego it starts at $11.00 an hour with full benefits. No tipping.

Damn good burger. This is a double double animal style. They also have low carb where they trade out the bun for lettuce.

Is it a true democracy? You don’t pay your tip until the end.

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Servers should make a third of their current income because unemployment is 14%? That is insulting logic. How about you be the first to take this pay cut?[/quote]

Fella… are you stupid?

can you just explain yourself?

I think you need to re=read your post.

Idiot.

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You quoted that single post 2 or 3 times and asked me to explain it without reading my reply. Don’t call me a retard if you are incapable of reading a reply. Cheapskate.
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haha! yep, I missed your reply so I did deserve that.

and thanks for explaining.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.

So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.

In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get. [/quote]

Do you have In N Out Burger where you are? In San Diego it starts at $11.00 an hour with full benefits. No tipping.

Damn good burger. This is a double double animal style. They also have low carb where they trade out the bun for lettuce.

Is it a true democracy? You don’t pay your tip until the end.

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I really dont know if we have one, I have only been in Houston for 18 months. I know we didnt in South Texas. And there is no way in hell that could compete here in Texas, but again that is fast food.

Could the local guy who moved from Italy open a resturant to make and serve his traditional Italian meal and truthfully make a profit enough to survive with that set wage?

Edit: How much is that burger?

2nd Edit: sorry missed the last point. Yes true competition is the basis of any democracy. The better tips and success a waitress has the better hours of operation she works. You are putting your better staf at peak hours. So you tip better at the end because you received better service etc etc.[/quote]

Okay OG did you purposely skip this or just miss it? You dont have to answer of course but I still believe that the system is set up to keep cost down for employers.

Like Push said above as an employer he understands the point I was trying to make.

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Look at OG go! It’s always nice to see a bit of logic and common sense once in a while.

I have a question for the wait staff out there: Why did you agree to work for $2.something an hour?

It sounds to me like the issue here is with ‘cheap customers’ when in fact it should be with management/ownership. Of course the issue is only a facade, as the wait staff knows they are getting a pretty good deal out of this, hence the reason to agree to work for such a low wage to begin with.

The whole thing really is a farce. There are enough sheeple out there to keep waitstaff overpaid and subsidize the payroll of employers that no change is going to happen. You can’t change the laws of economics. People are going to continue to wait tables so long as the compensation meets the work put in, which it clearly does as there never seems to be a shortage of waitstaff.

If by some miracle customers in mass did stop tipping, supply and demand would again prevail, in regards to both meal pricing and wages.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
IRON DWARF, THIS IS THE FIRST GUY YOUVE DRAWN THAT LOOKS LIKE HE TRAINS HIS LEGS.[/quote]

Haha… You should look at some of the feature spreads I draw in MuscleMag. All my dudes have big (but short) legs.
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What did the legs for my avatar look like?[/quote]

LOL!!
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You tiny bastard.

Answer meh![/quote]

That drawing was never in MuscleMag, so there were no legs to begin with.

But hey, can’t vampires turn into bats and fly everywhere?[/quote]

I’m a vampire Bear though. We all have a different amimal inside of us.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]CBear84 wrote:
work as a waitress for a week, then come back and tell us what you think about tipping. [/quote]

That is such a stupid remark. The hardest that I have EVER worked was as a retail clerk for Toys R Us during Christmas so fuck any of you that think you had to work hard. UNTIL you have worked for Toys R Us for Christmas, really, just shut up.

CBear… you don’t know my work history, I really have done it all, including picking vegetables in the San Joaquin Valley at 25cents a bushel in 105 degree weather. How about you tell me how hard you have worked? Love my state. California is the fruit and vegetable basket of the nation.

Also, California was known as King Cotton because California used to produce more cotton than the Southern states. Also, Rice King, California produced more rice although I think Arkansas produces more rice now.

in any case,… I know how to work hard, and I DIDN’T GET A TIP FOR PICKING YOUR FRUIT.
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Lol, ok, I get it your just about mindless post.

She said work as a waitress. We really don’t care about your vegatable picking, or playing Ms. Clause for some midgets. How did you feel working as a waitress for a month, and making your money from tips? That’s what CBear is asking since you can’t read between the lines.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
As much as tipping annoys me, I really wonder what is the point of a thread on it?[/quote]
dickhead
so you probably didn’t read the aricle?
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My question is about YOU, what is YOUR point of this THREAD?
oh that’s right you said your answer is in the article. Let me read it . . . . , I still don’t see YOUR point. Did you create this because agree with the 15%?

Personally it would be great if there was either a set standard or wages built in to the price, but you would still need some form of law stating NOT to tip. This is why we have increasingly higher tips in the first place. Staff originally got used to 10% then you had people that want special treatment sliding in extra 20’s and soon waiters would treat the 10% people like cheapskates, cycle kept happening until we got to the point we are at now.

It’s basically legal bribery so unless you put a law prohibiting people from leaving a tip, or put a cap on how much we are allowed to tip, building the cost into the food will do nothing. We even have tip jars at to go places now, and customers who leave tips get much better treatment.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
IRON DWARF, THIS IS THE FIRST GUY YOUVE DRAWN THAT LOOKS LIKE HE TRAINS HIS LEGS.[/quote]

Haha… You should look at some of the feature spreads I draw in MuscleMag. All my dudes have big (but short) legs.
[/quote]

What did the legs for my avatar look like?[/quote]

LOL!!
[/quote]

You tiny bastard.

Answer meh![/quote]

That drawing was never in MuscleMag, so there were no legs to begin with.

But hey, can’t vampires turn into bats and fly everywhere?[/quote]

Sweetness???

This is about meals and wait staff. And the fact that I audit how much they actually make in tips.

[/quote]

I got syrup for you if you want.

=)

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I would like to contribute more to this thread but I’m TOO BUSY RUNNING MY RESTAURANT!

Our servers make $2.65 an hour. Really good servers, on a busy shift sometimes make close to $300 in tips. The great tippers, who leave 20-25% or even more, make up for the ASSHOLES, like a party of four that blows $70 or $80 on food and leaves $2 for the server that they ran like mad.

My good servers NEVER complain about the cheap assholes. And I know they’re assholes because when my GOOD servers get shafted on a tip I know it’s not their fault - just cheap customers - seen it over and over.

Thanks to those that do tip WHEN YOU GET GOOD SERVICE. Otherwise, if there weren’t tips your $8 burger will become a $10 burger in the menu.

And FUCK YOU to the cheapskates out there. Don’t go out to eat because in America you tip your server. If the service was poor you show it in the gratuity.

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[quote]saveski wrote:

And FUCK YOU to the cheapskates out there. Don’t go out to eat because in America you tip your server. If the service was poor you show it in the gratuity.[/quote]

Why should I leave a tip at all if I receive bad service?

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[quote]saveski wrote:
I would like to contribute more to this thread but I’m TOO BUSY RUNNING MY RESTAURANT!

Our servers make $2.65 an hour. Really good servers, on a busy shift sometimes make close to $300 in tips. The great tippers, who leave 20-25% or even more, make up for the ASSHOLES, like a party of four that blows $70 or $80 on food and leaves $2 for the server that they ran like mad.

My good servers NEVER complain about the cheap assholes. And I know they’re assholes because when my GOOD servers get shafted on a tip I know it’s not their fault - just cheap customers - seen it over and over.

Thanks to those that do tip WHEN YOU GET GOOD SERVICE. Otherwise, if there weren’t tips your $8 burger will become a $10 burger in the menu.

And FUCK YOU to the cheapskates out there. Don’t go out to eat because in America you tip your server. If the service was poor you show it in the gratuity.[/quote]

Good post.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

And FUCK YOU to the cheapskates out there. Don’t go out to eat because in America you tip your server. If the service was poor you show it in the gratuity.[/quote]

Why should I leave a tip at all if I receive bad service?[/quote]

Read my third sentence that you quoted.

You don’t have to tip if service was absolute complete shit. But of the hundreds of times I’ve been out to eat, it’s never been so bad that I’ve not tipped. When I get some shlep half-ass jack-off server taking their sweet time, talking to the cooks and not filling up my empty Mountain Dew then they’re only gonna get 10% if they’re lucky.

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[quote]saveski wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

And FUCK YOU to the cheapskates out there. Don’t go out to eat because in America you tip your server. If the service was poor you show it in the gratuity.[/quote]

Why should I leave a tip at all if I receive bad service?[/quote]

Read my second sentence that you quoted.

You don’t have to tip if service was absolute complete shit. But of the hundreds of times I’ve been out to eat, it’s never been so bad that I’ve not tipped. When I get some shlep half-ass jack-off server taking their sweet time, talking to the cooks and not filling up my empty Mountain Dew then they’re only gonna get 10% if they’re lucky.
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I read the second line in your quote, that’s why I quoted it. My question is why does bad service deserve a tip? Shouldn’t 10% be given for average service and higher for anything better? The system gives waiters/waitresses incentive to provide supbar service on small tables (getting 10% regardless of quality) and focusing their attention on big tables to maximize their tips. For example a waiter will receive a 10% tip instead of the full 15% on a couple spending $50 because he/she neglected them, but make up the loss by receiving a 2-3% higher tip on a table of 6 spending $300.

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I know I don’t have to tip at all technically- but why do most people leave at least 10% even when service was subpar?