Tipping - Good Idea or Bad Idea

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

And FUCK YOU to the cheapskates out there. Don’t go out to eat because in America you tip your server. If the service was poor you show it in the gratuity.[/quote]

Why should I leave a tip at all if I receive bad service?[/quote]

Read my second sentence that you quoted.

You don’t have to tip if service was absolute complete shit. But of the hundreds of times I’ve been out to eat, it’s never been so bad that I’ve not tipped. When I get some shlep half-ass jack-off server taking their sweet time, talking to the cooks and not filling up my empty Mountain Dew then they’re only gonna get 10% if they’re lucky.
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I read the second line in your quote, that’s why I quoted it. My question is why does bad service deserve a tip? Shouldn’t 10% be given for average service and higher for anything better? The system gives waiters/waitresses incentive to provide supbar service on small tables (getting 10% regardless of quality) and focusing their attention on big tables to maximize their tips. For example a waiter will receive a 10% tip instead of the full 15% on a couple spending $50 because he/she neglected them, but make up the loss by receiving a 2-3% higher tip on a table of 6 spending $300.

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I will just interject that my wife and I when we receive bad service and go back the same place in the future. If we get the same waitress we request to move to another table to get another waitress or we ask for the manager to move us. If we receive bad service again we do not go back to that resturant, this is how it should be and people who own resturants know this.

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Any thoughts on tipping gas station attendants? I’ve been wondering about this.

I always tip the people who deliver my food, wait my table, cut my hair, etc., but I recently moved to a town where full-service stations are mandatory so I find myself going to these places more often than not. I know they receive at least minimum wage, and the job is by no stretch of the imagination difficult (perhaps busy in the early mornings)… you gotta figure if they get minimum wage and a dollar per pump they can be cleaning up for a job that requires very minimal effort and absolutely no skill.

I know a couple people who do and a few who don’t.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

I will just interject that my wife and I when we receive bad service and go back the same place in the future. If we get the same waitress we request to move to another table to get another waitress or we ask for the manager to move us. If we receive bad service again we do not go back to that resturant, this is how it should be and people who own resturants know this. [/quote]

Completely understandable and you’re going back because the food is good. There are just some servers that shouldn’t be servers.

Now, on the other hand my manager will come up to me during a shift and say “That table doesn’t want Billy as their server - they said he was rude.” And I go - “Are they fucking nuts? Billy’s the best, most courteous server, we’ve got.” It’s usually something really stupid that might set a cusomter off, like - OH - he set the menus down too fast.

It’s sometimes really hard to please SOME customers.

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[quote]saveski wrote:
I would like to contribute more to this thread but I’m TOO BUSY RUNNING MY RESTAURANT!

Our servers make $2.65 an hour. Really good servers, on a busy shift sometimes make close to $300 in tips. The great tippers, who leave 20-25% or even more, make up for the ASSHOLES, like a party of four that blows $70 or $80 on food and leaves $2 for the server that they ran like mad.

My good servers NEVER complain about the cheap assholes. And I know they’re assholes because when my GOOD servers get shafted on a tip I know it’s not their fault - just cheap customers - seen it over and over.

Thanks to those that do tip WHEN YOU GET GOOD SERVICE. Otherwise, if there weren’t tips your $8 burger will become a $10 burger in the menu.

And FUCK YOU to the cheapskates out there. Don’t go out to eat because in America you tip your server. If the service was poor you show it in the gratuity.[/quote]

What’s the name of your restaurant? I want to make sure I never go there. I don’t know that I’ve ever heard a business owner disparage a customer that just provided you with $80 in revenue.

If your good servers aren’t getting paid what the job they are doing is worth, then you have only yourself to blame. Your customer’s, in this case at least (I’m not talking returned checks or what not), are paying what they agreed to pay when they ordered an item off the menu, and you are now belittling them for not paying more than the previously agreed upon price. So, who exactly is the cheap asshole?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
I know I don’t have to tip at all technically- but why do most people leave at least 10% even when service was subpar? [/quote]

If service was par, just par, I leave 15% - that’s if they at least made some effort to bring the food out and do the necessary stuff. But if they SUCKED, then by all means don’t leave them squat. Maybe they’ll learn and get a different job.

I just don’t like the pricks that fuck over a server JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.

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[quote]saveski wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

I will just interject that my wife and I when we receive bad service and go back the same place in the future. If we get the same waitress we request to move to another table to get another waitress or we ask for the manager to move us. If we receive bad service again we do not go back to that resturant, this is how it should be and people who own resturants know this. [/quote]

Completely understandable and you’re going back because the food is good. There are just some servers that shouldn’t be servers.

Now, on the other hand my manager will come up to me during a shift and say “That table doesn’t want Billy as their server - they said he was rude.” And I go - “Are they fucking nuts? Billy’s the best, most courteous server, we’ve got.” It’s usually something really stupid that might set a cusomter off, like - OH - he set the menus down too fast.

It’s sometimes really hard to please SOME customers.
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Agreed, both the wife and I while going to school worked as servers. Our complaints are merited in more food was cold due to sitting and waiting AND the place is not busy, or we get forgot about and waiting for 30 minutes after they took drink order, etc. We are reasonable, but you are correct some people are just assholes themselves.

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[quote]saveski wrote:

I just don’t like the pricks that fuck over a server JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.

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You mean like the guy that only pays them $2.65 an hour?

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[quote]tedro wrote:

What’s the name of your restaurant? I want to make sure I never go there. I don’t know that I’ve ever heard a business owner disparage a customer that just provided you with $80 in revenue.

If your good servers aren’t getting paid what the job they are doing is worth, then you have only yourself to blame. Your customer’s, in this case at least (I’m not talking returned checks or what not), are paying what they agreed to pay when they ordered an item off the menu, and you are now belittling them for not paying more than the previously agreed upon price. So, who exactly is the cheap asshole?[/quote]

The name of my restaurant is NO-TIPPING JACKOFFS NOT WELCOME. Yeah, it’s kinda long but it describes the ambience. We have really good food and awesome servers but don’t want no-tippers because they are generally cheap assholes and ruin everyone’s fun.

You’re missing the concept that SERVERS RELY ON TIPS. I’m not aware of any TIPLESS servers so if you want your burger to be $8 and not $10 - read it again, slowly - SERVERS RELY ON TIPS.

If the food was good AND the service was good and the customer didn’t leave shit or just a handful of change THEN I DON’T WANT THEM AT MY FUCKING PLACE - PERIOD - BYE-BYE. GO TO SUBWAY OR TACO BELL or as my servers sometimes tell a cheapskate that’s been rude and ran them senseless - “Keep the $2 - you need it more than I do.”

Would love it if all the cheapskates NEVER walked in to my place. My life and that of all the servers and patrons would bee easier.

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[quote]OsakaNate wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

I just don’t like the pricks that fuck over a server JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.

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You mean like the guy that only pays them $2.65 an hour?[/quote]

Einstein, how are they getting fucked over when they’re pulling in $100-$300 a night?

Sorry, but that’s the GOING RATE FOR SERVERS. Your silly premise is that I pay them $30 an hour - and then people like you won’t be able to go out to eat BECAUSE YOU CAN’T AFFORD IT.

Econ 101 - will the little kids stay out of this please?

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[quote]saveski wrote:

[quote]OsakaNate wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

I just don’t like the pricks that fuck over a server JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.

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You mean like the guy that only pays them $2.65 an hour?[/quote]

Einstein, how are they getting fucked over when they’re pulling in $100-$300 a night?

Sorry, but that’s the GOING RATE FOR SERVERS. Your silly premise is that I pay them $30 an hour - and then people like you won’t be able to go out to eat BECAUSE YOU CAN’T AFFORD IT.

Econ 101 - will the little kids stay out of this please?
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Well next will be that you lower your profit to cover cost argument. You know you cant win on this right. Just for record I agree with you and continued luck with your resturant.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

Well next will be that you lower your profit to cover cost argument. You know you cant win on this right. Just for record I agree with you and continued luck with your resturant. [/quote]

YES! Thanks dude. Been doing this successfully for 20 years, even with the poor economy of Michigan.

Just another day at work - no-tippers, assholes who belittle the employees just bcause they think they can, food costs going up all the time . . .

Except here, some rude assholes think I or my manager will let them get outta hand - we give it right back when they’ve pushed too far. One old crotchety asshole was giving one of our little carry-out girls grief over NOTHING, really nothing, just taking his misery out on her and I said - GET THE FUCK OUT AND DON’T COME BACK AGAIN.

Then you see the same prick in a week BUT he doesn’t complain any more! This has happened several times.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

And FUCK YOU to the cheapskates out there. Don’t go out to eat because in America you tip your server. If the service was poor you show it in the gratuity.[/quote]

Why should I leave a tip at all if I receive bad service?[/quote]

I Allllreaaaadyyyyyyy told you! A server/bartender is just the liason for the entire business! They face the customer so they collect the tip and redistribute it to everyone else (Bouncer, busboys, managers, cooks and security). If you don’t like the service then tip less but STILL TIP because everyone else did their job!

All this comes down to is people who don’t tip are trying to justify what they know is a cheap and belittling practice.

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[quote]saveski wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

Well next will be that you lower your profit to cover cost argument. You know you cant win on this right. Just for record I agree with you and continued luck with your resturant. [/quote]

YES! Thanks dude. Been doing this successfully for 20 years, even with the poor economy of Michigan.

Just another day at work - no-tippers, assholes who belittle the employees just bcause they think they can, food costs going up all the time . . .

Except here, some rude assholes think I or my manager will let them get outta hand - we give it right back when they’ve pushed too far. One old crotchety asshole was giving one of our little carry-out girls grief over NOTHING, really nothing, just taking his misery out on her and I said - GET THE FUCK OUT AND DON’T COME BACK AGAIN.

Then you see the same prick in a week BUT he doesn’t complain any more! This has happened several times.
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Hey man that is great to hear you been doing this for 20 years.

When I was a ER nurse I would be treated like absolute dog shit, here I am trying to take care of people and I am treated like a garbage man. People take out there own personal demons on service industry employees whatever that is. Its up to management/owners to stand up for their employees, because the “customer” is always right went away numerous years ago.

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[quote]saveski wrote:
You’re missing the concept that SERVERS RELY ON TIPS. I’m not aware of any TIPLESS servers so if you want your burger to be $8 and not $10 - read it again, slowly - SERVERS RELY ON TIPS.
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Wrong. Servers, like any other employee, rely on compensation. You, as the owner, are the one responsible for making sure they are duly compensated for their duties. I, as the customer, am only responsible for paying an agreed upon price for the goods and/or services rendered. It is not my duty to see to it that your employees are properly compensated.

If the burger and service is worth $10, I have no problem paying it, assuming you were forthright in the beginning with how much that particular menu item was going to cost me.

What about all those who only leave tips because of the social stigma attached to not leaving a tip? I promise you they far out number the people that flat out don’t tip.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Do you buy into the idea that the eeeeeeevil restaurateur who fails to “duly compensate” should be forced to do so - at the point of the sword - by the omnipotently benevolent federal government?[/quote]

Of course, don’t you? Who else is going to make sure employees get their fare share. They rely on tips. If they don’t get their tips they won’t be able to buy gas to get to work and if they can’t get to work there will be no other people to do their jobs and if there’s nobody to do their job then we will never have food on our table and we’ll just have kitchens full of cooks and restaurants full of patrons but no way to get the food from the kitchen to the table and we’ll all STARVE!

Care to join me for a free lunch comrade?

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Sorry, it does make you seem cheap, and not in a “dont’ want to part with my money” kind of way. In a bratty kind of way.

YOU providing a service (not serving food/drink) is not the same thing. Please.

The idea of a tip (especially as it comes at the END of the service) is to make the server “work for it,” else they have no incentive. At least, that’s the idea.

And if they were paid a substantially higher wage, I guarantee you would be paying more for your meals – the restaurant would just pass the cost off to you.

Stop being a miser. You don’t have to love everything in this world, but as long as you’re living in it like the rest of us, play by the same rules.

xoxo

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[quote]overstand wrote:
And the kid that was saying he makes $38/hr as a waiter is proof the system is broken. No job that takes 0 education or skill should make that kind of money.

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Shut the fuck up.

Is this financial aid? Is a person’s income based on NEED like financial aid?

What about MANY sales jobs (that seriously require no formal education) ? Some good sales jobs out there can make at least $38/hr (just under $75k/yr)…but let’s be real: do you REALLY think they make $38/hr EVERY FUCKING HOUR OF THE YEAR?

This is like my buddy who worked for AT&T a long time ago. He was bragging about making “like over $150/hr bro.” I asked, “Yeah? How?” He said, “Christmas eve.” Ok, out of 365 days a year, how many of those are Christmas Eve? One? Exactly.

Most of us work Mon-Fri, 8 hours a day. I do not know any servers who pull over $30/hr for all 40 hours a week. Restaurants typically have 5-6 days a week in costs and 3, maybe 4 days a week in profits (their higher traffic days). Most servers I’ve known pull it in Thurs/Fri/Sat, and that’s it, and that’s ONLY if they’re senior enough to be given those juicier shifts.

You guys are really fucking simple minded if you think servers are just laughing on their way to the bank.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.

So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.

In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get. [/quote]

Do you have In N Out Burger where you are? In San Diego it starts at $11.00 an hour with full benefits. No tipping.

Damn good burger. This is a double double animal style. They also have low carb where they trade out the bun for lettuce.

Is it a true democracy? You don’t pay your tip until the end.

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Servers should make a third of their current income because unemployment is 14%? That is insulting logic. How about you be the first to take this pay cut?[/quote]

How about you explain that. And why would I take a pay cut? I don’t make extra with tips.

If you are saying you make $33.00 an hour, … damn buddy, you are making buck.

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My meaning is that regardless of how it happens: the average servers wage is around 25-30 dollars an hour. Just because there is some place that makes way less and there is unemployment doesn’t mean that server doesn’t deserve their money.

That logical applies no more to a server who just so happens to reserve tips than it does to you.

As for my making of buck. On a saturday night I make maybe 38 per hour. But I put in alot of work while the bar is closed to make that possible so the average is closer to 25.

What a person makes though is irrelevant to how much they helped you. I tip because my bartender/server/barber did me a long personal service, one for which their salary does NOT reward them.
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I just want to keep this out there that apparently wait staff makes about $38.00 an hour. No college education required.
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Again, maybe YOUR wait staff (at the casino), but this is NOT typical. Most servers at non-fancy restaurants make about $20-30 an hour and that’s NOT every night. You can have bad nights/weeks, too.

Get off your high horses, people.

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You’d think that the biggest whiners over tipping would seriously consider that the waitstaff are HANDLING YOUR FOOD! Your FOOD! Think about that for a moment.

Now, if that’s still too much for you to shell out, stay home and eat… or bring a bagged lunch wherever you go. You won’t have to pretend you’re not a cranky prick of a customer, and the waitstaff won’t have to pretend they enjoy serving your cheap ass. Problem solved!

lol