Tipping - Good Idea or Bad Idea

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Tipping is not necessary. I see how much fuckers make on tips. How about we pay a legal wage and no
tips?

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Did you create this thread because you were annoyed or what? Most of how people feel was said in the previous thread I’m sure and has been said many times across the internet.

Sum it up. Most people feel tipping has gotten outrageous now but they continue because we’re scared servers will end up poor bums. The rest are split into two groups, either those that don’t tip at all aka Cheap Bastards, or those that over tip (usually ex waiters and bartenders) who feel mistreated by the world.

As much as tipping annoys me, I really wonder what is the point of a thread on it?[/quote]

dickhead

so you probably didn’t read the aricle?

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You’re the only one who did

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Tipping is not necessary. I see how much fuckers make on tips. How about we pay a legal wage and no
tips?

[/quote]

Did you create this thread because you were annoyed or what? Most of how people feel was said in the previous thread I’m sure and has been said many times across the internet.

Sum it up. Most people feel tipping has gotten outrageous now but they continue because we’re scared servers will end up poor bums. The rest are split into two groups, either those that don’t tip at all aka Cheap Bastards, or those that over tip (usually ex waiters and bartenders) who feel mistreated by the world.

As much as tipping annoys me, I really wonder what is the point of a thread on it?[/quote]

dickhead

so you probably didn’t read the aricle?

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You’re the only one who did
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Yah,… I am getting that.

work as a waitress for a week, then come back and tell us what you think about tipping.

One group we haven’t talked about… tipping cab drivers.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
One group we haven’t talked about… tipping cab drivers. [/quote]

I have never used a taxi cab.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
so stupid.

Tipping is not necessary. I see how much fuckers make on tips. How about we pay a legal wage and no
tips?

[/quote]

That would be a great solution to a problem that seems to cause endless amounts of frustration for those poor waiters and waitresses.

It takes way too long to gain compliance through out an entire industry though. I say we just quit tipping to force restaurateurs hand a little.

They’ll do the right thing.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
One group we haven’t talked about… tipping cab drivers. [/quote]

I have never used a taxi cab.[/quote]

Wow.

Do you not travel much?

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Tipping is not necessary. I see how much fuckers make on tips. How about we pay a legal wage and no
tips?

[/quote]

Did you create this thread because you were annoyed or what? Most of how people feel was said in the previous thread I’m sure and has been said many times across the internet.

Sum it up. Most people feel tipping has gotten outrageous now but they continue because we’re scared servers will end up poor bums. The rest are split into two groups, either those that don’t tip at all aka Cheap Bastards, or those that over tip (usually ex waiters and bartenders) who feel mistreated by the world.

As much as tipping annoys me, I really wonder what is the point of a thread on it?[/quote]

dickhead

so you probably didn’t read the aricle?

[/quote]

Doesn’t matter, really, to you if we did or not. If we disagree with you, we’re idiots or stupid.

So, have a nice meal the next time you go out to eat.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
so stupid.

Tipping is not necessary. I see how much fuckers make on tips. How about we pay a legal wage and no
tips?

[/quote]

Skyzyks

That would be a great solution to a problem that seems to cause endless amounts of frustration for those poor waiters and waitresses.

It takes way too long to gain compliance through out an entire industry though. I say we just quit tipping to force restaurateurs hand a little.

They’ll do the right thing.
[/quote]

SkyzykS

As I think you know, I am a fan of yours. The thing of what you suggest is that the wait staff are gamblers. I audit restaurants at casinos and there is no way in heck that wait staff are going to take a minimum wage. Did you see the post of the one guy who posted that $11.00 dollars an hour was ONE THIRD WHAT HE MADE AS A WAITER. Holey fucking moley if you are making $33.00 an hour to bring me a salad.

fucking unbelievable.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
One group we haven’t talked about… tipping cab drivers. [/quote]

I have never used a taxi cab.[/quote]

Wow.

Do you not travel much? [/quote]

Well… when I travel we rent a car. Is that odd?

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
One group we haven’t talked about… tipping cab drivers. [/quote]

I have never used a taxi cab.[/quote]

Wow.

Do you not travel much? [/quote]

Well… when I travel we rent a car. Is that odd?

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Renting a car no, but NEVER being in a taxi cab ever yes. I almost think you’re lying.

Have you never gone out, been really drunk and taken a taxi cab home?

[quote]CBear84 wrote:
work as a waitress for a week, then come back and tell us what you think about tipping. [/quote]

That is such a stupid remark. The hardest that I have EVER worked was as a retail clerk for Toys R Us during Christmas so fuck any of you that think you had to work hard. UNTIL you have worked for Toys R Us for Christmas, really, just shut up.

CBear… you don’t know my work history, I really have done it all, including picking vegetables in the San Joaquin Valley at 25cents a bushel in 105 degree weather. How about you tell me how hard you have worked? Love my state. California is the fruit and vegetable basket of the nation.

Also, California was known as King Cotton because California used to produce more cotton than the Southern states. Also, Rice King, California produced more rice although I think Arkansas produces more rice now.

in any case,… I know how to work hard, and I DIDN’T GET A TIP FOR PICKING YOUR FRUIT.

[quote]CBear84 wrote:

food and beauty service staff are entitled to a tip because you COULD do that shit yourself, and are actively choosing not to. in the case of waiters, and most chain beauticians, their hourly wage is enough to scoff at BECAUSE THEY’RE COUNTING ON TIPS.

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So when my wife was working as a sales consultant for straight commission are people obligated to buy due to the fact that SHES COUNTING ON THAT COMMISSION? That had no hourly wage at all.

I mean, people can write and file a patent themselves, they just choose not to.

[quote]CBear84 wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Tipping is not necessary. I see how much fuckers make on tips. How about we pay a legal wage and no
tips?

[/quote]

Did you create this thread because you were annoyed or what? Most of how people feel was said in the previous thread I’m sure and has been said many times across the internet.

Sum it up. Most people feel tipping has gotten outrageous now but they continue because we’re scared servers will end up poor bums. The rest are split into two groups, either those that don’t tip at all aka Cheap Bastards, or those that over tip (usually ex waiters and bartenders) who feel mistreated by the world.

As much as tipping annoys me, I really wonder what is the point of a thread on it?[/quote]

dickhead

so you probably didn’t read the aricle?

[/quote]

Doesn’t matter, really, to you if we did or not. If we disagree with you, we’re idiots or stupid.

So, have a nice meal the next time you go out to eat. [/quote]

Well no, not everyone.

Just those that have proven themselves as such.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]CBear84 wrote:

food and beauty service staff are entitled to a tip because you COULD do that shit yourself, and are actively choosing not to. in the case of waiters, and most chain beauticians, their hourly wage is enough to scoff at BECAUSE THEY’RE COUNTING ON TIPS.

[/quote]

So when my wife was working as a sales consultant for straight commission are people obligated to buy due to the fact that SHES COUNTING ON THAT COMMISSION? That had no hourly wage at all.

I mean, people can write and file a patent themselves, they just choose not to.

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I gotta say I am ignorant in regards to your wife’s career.

I was only posting in regards to the food industry.

This is getting dumb, for whatever people in the food service industry think they work harder than people in any other profession.

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
so stupid.

Tipping is not necessary. I see how much fuckers make on tips. How about we pay a legal wage and no
tips?

[/quote]

That would be a great solution to a problem that seems to cause endless amounts of frustration for those poor waiters and waitresses.

It takes way too long to gain compliance through out an entire industry though. I say we just quit tipping to force restaurateurs hand a little.

They’ll do the right thing.
[/quote]

See this is just another example of why I am a fan of your posts.

[quote]CBear84 wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]krayon wrote:
How much are you suppose to tip at a buffet?[/quote]

fuck me running according to the whining wait staff give until you bleed. Apparently they deserve more than anyone else.

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ah no. other jobs have hourly wages at or above the state/federal minimum, with outlined requirements.

Service based jobs, in this case, waitstaff- agree to an hourly wage sometimes as low as $3 an hour with the understanding that because their job is service based and their hourly wage so low, they can, if they try hard enough, make up for (at least) having an hourly wage below the state/federal minimum.

it IS a situation to which they all agree when they show up to work on the first day.

when you pay for your food at a restaurant where it is served to you, you pay for just that. for the food.

at the end, if the service portion was to your satisfaction, it’s the custom to pay for that, in addition to and as a percentage of the bill, and the socially acceptable amount is %15 percent.

if the service wasn’t up to your standards, you don’t have to tip AT ALL, and restaurants who automatically add a gratuity for parties of a certain number or more state so in writing, before you order.

it’s not a fucking communist plot to screw fireman, policeman, nurses, and teachers. those CIVIL SERVICE professions accept the duties for the pay from day one, because you as a person cannot be a productive member of society AND do all of those jobs at the same time.

food and beauty service staff are entitled to a tip because you COULD do that shit yourself, and are actively choosing not to. in the case of waiters, and most chain beauticians, their hourly wage is enough to scoff at BECAUSE THEY’RE COUNTING ON TIPS.

you have solutions for your, “I hate tipping” dilemma.

-in your preferred scenario, the price of your meal at a restaurant would likely triple, at least. unless the food quality went to that of McDonalds.

-don’t tip. be that asshole.

-don’t go out to eat. then you avoid the problem all together, brush up on your culinary skillz, and probably save some $$ in the process. win-win.

move to europe, where things make sense. [/quote]

If only you made sense =)

CBear… you don’t make sense, you just illustrate the stupidity of the system.

It’s okay so may people are like you, just lemmings jumping off the cliff.
If you would have read the actual first posts and the the article you would understood the article but I get that you wanted to just shoot off on what you wanted to say.

You are ignorant about the cost for a restaurant, I know because I am an auditor, obviously you are not.

This is a thread about an article about foreigners and tipping. You obviously just shot off without actually reading what the thread was about. Take a step back next time. See what the actual thing is before you submit a remark that even then wasn’t a good solution.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
so stupid.

Tipping is not necessary. I see how much fuckers make on tips. How about we pay a legal wage and no
tips?

[/quote]

Skyzyks

That would be a great solution to a problem that seems to cause endless amounts of frustration for those poor waiters and waitresses.

It takes way too long to gain compliance through out an entire industry though. I say we just quit tipping to force restaurateurs hand a little.

They’ll do the right thing.
[/quote]

SkyzykS

As I think you know, I am a fan of yours. The thing of what you suggest is that the wait staff are gamblers. I audit restaurants at casinos and there is no way in heck that wait staff are going to take a minimum wage. Did you see the post of the one guy who posted that $11.00 dollars an hour was ONE THIRD WHAT HE MADE AS A WAITER. Holey fucking moley if you are making $33.00 an hour to bring me a salad.

fucking unbelievable.
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Well, they can sort out the terms of their employment with managers and owners just like the rest of the world does, can’t they?

Sure, it’s a risk. What isn’t?

Top servers at good restaurants would be able to command a decent wage, couldn’t they?

It would be just like any other business where you sell your time and abilities for an agreed upon amount.

Can’t be nearly as much of a gamble as relying on something as persnickety as another persons perception of your ability, looks, or any of the other various intangibles that go into determining a tip.