^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.
So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.
In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get.
On the flip side, without the incentive of a tip, how would your service be?
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.
So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.
In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get. [/quote]
Do you have In N Out Burger where you are? In San Diego it starts at $11.00 an hour with full benefits. No tipping.
Damn good burger. This is a double double animal style. They also have low carb where they trade out the bun for lettuce.
Is it a true democracy? You don’t pay your tip until the end.
Read the article. The manager is brilliant. I continue to stand by what I said.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.
So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.
In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get. [/quote]
Do you have In N Out Burger where you are? In San Diego it starts at $11.00 an hour with full benefits. No tipping.
Damn good burger. This is a double double animal style. They also have low carb where they trade out the bun for lettuce.
Is it a true democracy? You don’t pay your tip until the end.
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I really dont know if we have one, I have only been in Houston for 18 months. I know we didnt in South Texas. And there is no way in hell that could compete here in Texas, but again that is fast food.
Could the local guy who moved from Italy open a resturant to make and serve his traditional Italian meal and truthfully make a profit enough to survive with that set wage?
Edit: How much is that burger?
2nd Edit: sorry missed the last point. Yes true competition is the basis of any democracy. The better tips and success a waitress has the better hours of operation she works. You are putting your better staf at peak hours. So you tip better at the end because you received better service etc etc.
[quote]biglifter wrote:
On the flip side, without the incentive of a tip, how would your service be?[/quote]
That is a good question. If there was a change how long would the settlement period be for it to be acceptable?
But they do this in Europe. Why do we have tipping here?
I am ignorant of tipping history.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.
So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.
In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get. [/quote]
Do you have In N Out Burger where you are? In San Diego it starts at $11.00 an hour with full benefits. No tipping.
Damn good burger. This is a double double animal style. They also have low carb where they trade out the bun for lettuce.
Is it a true democracy? You don’t pay your tip until the end.
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Servers should make a third of their current income because unemployment is 14%? That is insulting logic. How about you be the first to take this pay cut?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also what’s the deal with the tip jar for coat check girls? Why do they even have a tip jar out? I walked up to you, handed you my coat and gave you the money. Should I tip you just to make sure you don’t lose my coat?[/quote]
Absolutely! It’s a good a reason as any.
Wait, what is this? Tijuana?
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.
So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.
In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get. [/quote]
Do you have In N Out Burger where you are? In San Diego it starts at $11.00 an hour with full benefits. No tipping.
Damn good burger. This is a double double animal style. They also have low carb where they trade out the bun for lettuce.
Is it a true democracy? You don’t pay your tip until the end.
[/quote]
Servers should make a third of their current income because unemployment is 14%? That is insulting logic. How about you be the first to take this pay cut?[/quote]
How about you explain that. And why would I take a pay cut? I don’t make extra with tips.
If you are saying you make $33.00 an hour, … damn buddy, you are making buck.
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also what’s the deal with the tip jar for coat check girls? Why do they even have a tip jar out? I walked up to you, handed you my coat and gave you the money. Should I tip you just to make sure you don’t lose my coat?[/quote]
Absolutely! It’s a good a reason as any.
Wait, what is this? Tijuana?[/quote]
I used to tip in TJ just to make it out alive. Mike’s Bar down the stairs. aaaahhh the good old days.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ You are right I did not read the article I am trying to fix the kids dinner and wind down after work. I enjoy adult discussions on issues. And like I said before being on the other end of the spectrum has made me look at things from a different perspective.
So a start up company would have to set a wage that would allow them to grow, most business fail in the first 5 years.
In my mind this set up is like a true democracy you pay for what you get. [/quote]
Do you have In N Out Burger where you are? In San Diego it starts at $11.00 an hour with full benefits. No tipping.
Damn good burger. This is a double double animal style. They also have low carb where they trade out the bun for lettuce.
Is it a true democracy? You don’t pay your tip until the end.
[/quote]
Servers should make a third of their current income because unemployment is 14%? That is insulting logic. How about you be the first to take this pay cut?[/quote]
How about you explain that. And why would I take a pay cut? I don’t make extra with tips.
If you are saying you make $33.00 an hour, … damn buddy, you are making buck.
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My meaning is that regardless of how it happens: the average servers wage is around 25-30 dollars an hour. Just because there is some place that makes way less and there is unemployment doesn’t mean that server doesn’t deserve their money.
That logical applies no more to a server who just so happens to reserve tips than it does to you.
As for my making of buck. On a saturday night I make maybe 38 per hour. But I put in alot of work while the bar is closed to make that possible so the average is closer to 25.
What a person makes though is irrelevant to how much they helped you. I tip because my bartender/server/barber did me a long personal service, one for which their salary does NOT reward them.
One thing I think you need to keep in mind is the minimum wage for servers depending on the state varies and is typically lower than say a job at Mcdonalds. The minimum wage in AZ for servers is I think $3.75. At least that is what it was a year ago. The minimum wage is low for them because they expect the servers to make up the other $4 an hour in tips. Again it is state specific usually.
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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
you seem like you give amazing blowjobs OG[/quote]
Drinking tonight, are we, Count?
lol
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
you seem like you give amazing blowjobs OG[/quote]
Drinking tonight, are we, Count?
lol
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Ask yourself
“When is Count Rockula ever sober?”
IRON DWARF, THIS IS THE FIRST GUY YOUVE DRAWN THAT LOOKS LIKE HE TRAINS HIS LEGS.
I tip, double the bill move one decimal to the left. $20 bill, $4 tip. Easy and simple.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
IRON DWARF, THIS IS THE FIRST GUY YOUVE DRAWN THAT LOOKS LIKE HE TRAINS HIS LEGS.[/quote]
Haha… You should look at some of the feature spreads I draw in MuscleMag. All my dudes have big (but short) legs.
It’s not fiscal blackmail, in the article OR in the states.
The article I read that you posted said that the gratuity is added in red, explained, and that the customer doesn’t have to pay if they don’t want to.
Seems to be a decent explanation of a custom for people who would otherwise be ignorant of the situation.
and they STILL have an out. they DONT have to tip.
Neither do you.
Either at a restaurant or McDonalds.
I beg you to keep going to the same sitdown restaurant on the same night of the week, and keep NOT tipping. Tell us what the service is like after 2 months. And stop tipping at your coffee place, let us know how that goes as well.
It’s just as illogical to raise the price of a meal to compensate for a standard waitstaff wage as for you to move to another country to solve the problem.
would you pay $70 for a meal at a sportsbar restaurant (Applebees, TGI Fridays, etc) for 2 people with no drinks, because all of the waitstaff now makes $17 an hour?
Or would you rather give the waiter/waitress $5 tip on a $30 bill?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
IRON DWARF, THIS IS THE FIRST GUY YOUVE DRAWN THAT LOOKS LIKE HE TRAINS HIS LEGS.[/quote]
Haha… You should look at some of the feature spreads I draw in MuscleMag. All my dudes have big (but short) legs.
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What did the legs for my avatar look like?