Tipping - Good Idea or Bad Idea

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[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I hate having to tip washroom attendants in nightclubs. If you wash your hands after you do your business you really have no choice.

After you’ve finished expelling urine/faeces they’ll turn on the faucet for you, squirt some soap into your hands, then hand you a towel. It’s gotten to the point where I just bring a mini bottle of hand sanitizer with me whenever I go out.

Also what’s the deal with the tip jar for coat check girls? Why do they even have a tip jar out? I walked up to you, handed you my coat and gave you the money. Should I tip you just to make sure you don’t lose my coat?[/quote]

Wow guys. Coat again is HARD. 800 people come to a night club drunk off their asses and want their coats NOW. The coat check room is too small, in order to raise capacity, and this girl is harassed all night. She ALSO has to tip out the security who kept her from being assaulted or berated. Half the people lose their tickets, through no fault of hers. And she has to deal with EVERYONE at once at 11:45. and again at 1:55!

If she makes any small mistake it will be seen at screamed at. And they all cost over 200 dollars

Give her a fucking dollar bro![/quote]

Dude, I understand her job can be hard but it comes with the territory. Especially since a lot of these clubs have a mandatory coat check policy. Look at all the places tipping occurs in a club. It would be ludicrous to tip in every situation.

you pay $20 cover to get in (Tip jar)

you pay to have your coat checked $2-$4 (tip jar)

you have to tip to wash your hands after you’ve used the washroom. $1-$4 ~ basically no choice

You have the opportunity to tip when you buy a drink.

Also I thought the whole point of tipping the bartender was because of the skill that went into making the drink? I normally order a bottle of water (which normally costs $4) that they simply pull out of the fridge. This fact make makes me want not to tip either but I do.

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Look all I’m saying with the matter of tipping out is this. A server makes 8 dollars an hour. They tip out based on what is sold and who they serve.So if you don’t tip they still have to give money to their support staff.

Someone who does not tip on a 50 dollar meal creates the following

  1. is taking 1 hour hour away from a table that could hypothetically tip. (-7.5 dollars)
  2. are asking for a service that requires a reward for the management, bus boy, bouncer and cook -20% tip out of sales (-10 dollars)

So if you go and spend an hour and don’t tip on a 50 dollar meal you have cost that server 17.5 dollars for that hour in lost tips and mandatory tip out, BUT they still get their wage(8 dollars)! Effectively that hour made that server -9.50. They paid to serve you!

This is the reality of their job.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

If tipping is optional, and it is, what do you do if you have really bad service? Do you still leave a tip? At least the 8%?

[/quote]

Hell no.

It took a waitress FOREVER to wait on us, refill our drinks (when she finally got around to taking our order) bring the food (it was luke warm) and the check.

It was not busy and she didn’t apologize once for the shitty service.

I left her a penny.[/quote]

Oooohhhh My dad did that once when I was a kid and the waitress was bad. She called him Honey and spilled on my mom. He left her a penny so she would know he hadn’t forgot to leave her a tip.

[/quote]
It was the first and only time i’ve done that. Normally, I give what I get when it comes to being served.

If the food isn’t cooked the way I wanted, then that’s the cooks fault, not the server. I’m not gonna lie, I hate to return food, because I know what happens at a lot of resturants…

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Can I just point out that one of the points for tipping was that “you didn’t get beat up”…

man… can we please have Death Race for real?

[/quote]

The BARTENDER tips the BOUNCER with YOUR money.[/quote]

Again… living wage. I don’t tip a cop, or a fireman, or a lifeguard.

EDIT: and hopefully they do a good job as lives are on the line. Would they save more lives if they were tipped?

[/quote]

Their livelihood isn’t dependant on tipping. They make 80 000, 60 000, 50 000 and 30 000 dollars a year. A server makes 10 000 unless you tip.

This is the reality they’ve been given, why punish? It will cost you the same either way.[/quote]

I agree with you. If it costs the same either way, just pay them a living wage.

But see… I am an auditor at a casino. I see how much can be made in tips. I know why they will take less than a living wage. So stop the whining about working so hard and making so little. If that were the case there would not be a wage contingent upon tipping.

Instead, wait staff takes the gamble. They gamble they will make more than a standard wage with tips. That is your gamble and I should not have to play in it.

Wait staff should have a living wage no tipping.

But I know too many folks that make buck on a good night that won’t take a living wage, they want the gamble then whine if they make less.

[/quote]

Okay OG here is serious question if they were paid flat wage, how much care, effort ect. would they put into taking care of you as a customer? The resturant company/owner would set a low price to keep their costs down which in turn keeps the cost of the food down. So you would get some pissed off servants that could give two shits if your food is burned, spit on etc.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I hate having to tip washroom attendants in nightclubs. If you wash your hands after you do your business you really have no choice.

After you’ve finished expelling urine/faeces they’ll turn on the faucet for you, squirt some soap into your hands, then hand you a towel. It’s gotten to the point where I just bring a mini bottle of hand sanitizer with me whenever I go out.

Also what’s the deal with the tip jar for coat check girls? Why do they even have a tip jar out? I walked up to you, handed you my coat and gave you the money. Should I tip you just to make sure you don’t lose my coat?[/quote]

Wow guys. Coat again is HARD. 800 people come to a night club drunk off their asses and want their coats NOW. The coat check room is too small, in order to raise capacity, and this girl is harassed all night. She ALSO has to tip out the security who kept her from being assaulted or berated. Half the people lose their tickets, through no fault of hers. And she has to deal with EVERYONE at once at 11:45. and again at 1:55!

If she makes any small mistake it will be seen at screamed at. And they all cost over 200 dollars

Give her a fucking dollar bro![/quote]

Dude, I understand her job can be hard but it comes with the territory. Especially since a lot of these clubs have a mandatory coat check policy. Look at all the places tipping occurs in a club. It would be ludicrous to tip in every situation.

you pay $20 cover to get in (Tip jar)

you pay to have your coat checked $2-$4 (tip jar)

you have to tip to wash your hands after you’ve used the washroom. $1-$4 ~ basically no choice

You have the opportunity to tip when you buy a drink.

Also I thought the whole point of tipping the bartender was because of the skill that went into making the drink? I normally order a bottle of water (which normally costs $4) that they simply pull out of the fridge. This fact make makes me want not to tip either but I do.

[/quote]

3 dollars man! 1 buck each. Bathroom guy just ignore him if you really don’t want to tip him. 2 bucks…

Cover is also a hectic job.

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I don’t have issue with tipping waiters/waitresses… It’s all the other stupid places tip jars pop up.

I’ve seen tip jars at barbershops… WTF?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I do service other people.[/quote]

That’s always good to know!

On a more serious note, tipping is pretty tricky. Unfortunately I think it has gotten to the point in the US where it is expected, where originally it was meant to be a tiny bonus for a job well done.

If someone does a mediocre or poor job, I’ll tip 10-12%. If someone does a great job, I’ll tip 20%. At the very least your giving someone a little extra money whose probably in a pretty tight financial situation, and at the very most your rewarding someone for doing a great job while giving them an incentive to keep doing so.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Can I just point out that one of the points for tipping was that “you didn’t get beat up”…

man… can we please have Death Race for real?

[/quote]

The BARTENDER tips the BOUNCER with YOUR money.[/quote]

Again… living wage. I don’t tip a cop, or a fireman, or a lifeguard.

EDIT: and hopefully they do a good job as lives are on the line. Would they save more lives if they were tipped?

[/quote]

Their livelihood isn’t dependant on tipping. They make 80 000, 60 000, 50 000 and 30 000 dollars a year. A server makes 10 000 unless you tip.

This is the reality they’ve been given, why punish? It will cost you the same either way.[/quote]

I agree with you. If it costs the same either way, just pay them a living wage.

But see… I am an auditor at a casino. I see how much can be made in tips. I know why they will take less than a living wage. So stop the whining about working so hard and making so little. If that were the case there would not be a wage contingent upon tipping.

Instead, wait staff takes the gamble. They gamble they will make more than a standard wage with tips. That is your gamble and I should not have to play in it.

Wait staff should have a living wage no tipping.

But I know too many folks that make buck on a good night that won’t take a living wage, they want the gamble then whine if they make less.

[/quote]

Okay OG here is serious question if they were paid flat wage, how much care, effort ect. would they put into taking care of you as a customer? The resturant company/owner would set a low price to keep their costs down which in turn keeps the cost of the food down. So you would get some pissed off servants that could give two shits if your food is burned, spit on etc. [/quote]

First, … I don’t eat out that often, I do buy coffee often hence my hate of the tip jar.

Second, do a good job. Get fired if you burn or spit on food. At 14% unemployment you can be replaced.

Third, why ever would I go somewhere contingent upon fiscal blackmail? If you are a restaurant with a crappy staff you won’t be in business for long.

Fella,… you don’t get tipped with your job but I bet you do a good job.

I don’t get tipped but I do a good job.

Why does wait staff get a pass? AGAIN I see the buck they make on tips. If they didn’t they would work harder to change the system.

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So… is it discriminatory to force a tip on foreigners?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
I don’t have issue with tipping waiters/waitresses… It’s all the other stupid places tip jars pop up.

I’ve seen tip jars at barbershops… WTF?[/quote]

You don’t tip your barber either?!

Face palm

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So… is it discriminatory to force a tip on foreigners?

[/quote]

No. If you’re from England you figure out pretty damn quick you will die if you drive on the left of the road… but none of them bother to figure out our custom with tipping because it’s cheaper not to.

That being said you technically cannot auto grat unless the group is larger than 8 people generally.

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I’ve always wondered if you tip at Delta Sonic after they clean your car interior. I do everytime because I’ll err on the side of courtesy when it’s in question. Anyone know?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Can I just point out that one of the points for tipping was that “you didn’t get beat up”…

man… can we please have Death Race for real?

[/quote]

The BARTENDER tips the BOUNCER with YOUR money.[/quote]

Again… living wage. I don’t tip a cop, or a fireman, or a lifeguard.

EDIT: and hopefully they do a good job as lives are on the line. Would they save more lives if they were tipped?

[/quote]

Their livelihood isn’t dependant on tipping. They make 80 000, 60 000, 50 000 and 30 000 dollars a year. A server makes 10 000 unless you tip.

This is the reality they’ve been given, why punish? It will cost you the same either way.[/quote]

I agree with you. If it costs the same either way, just pay them a living wage.

But see… I am an auditor at a casino. I see how much can be made in tips. I know why they will take less than a living wage. So stop the whining about working so hard and making so little. If that were the case there would not be a wage contingent upon tipping.

Instead, wait staff takes the gamble. They gamble they will make more than a standard wage with tips. That is your gamble and I should not have to play in it.

Wait staff should have a living wage no tipping.

But I know too many folks that make buck on a good night that won’t take a living wage, they want the gamble then whine if they make less.

[/quote]

Okay OG here is serious question if they were paid flat wage, how much care, effort ect. would they put into taking care of you as a customer? The resturant company/owner would set a low price to keep their costs down which in turn keeps the cost of the food down. So you would get some pissed off servants that could give two shits if your food is burned, spit on etc. [/quote]

First, … I don’t eat out that often, I do buy coffee often hence my hate of the tip jar.

Second, do a good job. Get fired if you burn or spit on food. At 14% unemployment you can be replaced.

Third, why ever would I go somewhere contingent upon fiscal blackmail? If you are a restaurant with a crappy staff you won’t be in business for long.

Fella,… you don’t get tipped with your job but I bet you do a good job.

I don’t get tipped but I do a good job.

Why does wait staff get a pass? AGAIN I see the buck they make on tips. If they didn’t they would work harder to change the system.

[/quote]

OG are you a business owner or ever owned a business? Recent changes in life have educated me on this topic with real world experience. You are speaking of creating a environment like McDonalds, is that what you are saying you want a sit down nice resturant to have as a business model? There is no education level or formal training for waitress, there is no basis for determining a set wage.

The system is set up so that you “Tip” for the services rendered that is why you tip post your meal etc. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to determine how much that is. Again this keeps the Owner of said business overhead lower and by the natural selection of the process weeds out imperfect staff.

Have you ever fired anybody? Do you know it is not an easy thing to do in real life, termination issues are what makes the human resources department a reality in most businesses.

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[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So… is it discriminatory to force a tip on foreigners?

[/quote]

No. If you’re from England you figure out pretty damn quick you will die if you drive on the left of the road… but none of them bother to figure out our custom with tipping because it’s cheaper not to.

That being said you technically cannot auto grat unless the group is larger than 8 people generally.[/quote]

sooooo you didn’t read the article that started this thread.

gotcha

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Can I just point out that one of the points for tipping was that “you didn’t get beat up”…

man… can we please have Death Race for real?

[/quote]

The BARTENDER tips the BOUNCER with YOUR money.[/quote]

Again… living wage. I don’t tip a cop, or a fireman, or a lifeguard.

EDIT: and hopefully they do a good job as lives are on the line. Would they save more lives if they were tipped?

[/quote]

Their livelihood isn’t dependant on tipping. They make 80 000, 60 000, 50 000 and 30 000 dollars a year. A server makes 10 000 unless you tip.

This is the reality they’ve been given, why punish? It will cost you the same either way.[/quote]

I agree with you. If it costs the same either way, just pay them a living wage.

But see… I am an auditor at a casino. I see how much can be made in tips. I know why they will take less than a living wage. So stop the whining about working so hard and making so little. If that were the case there would not be a wage contingent upon tipping.

Instead, wait staff takes the gamble. They gamble they will make more than a standard wage with tips. That is your gamble and I should not have to play in it.

Wait staff should have a living wage no tipping.

But I know too many folks that make buck on a good night that won’t take a living wage, they want the gamble then whine if they make less.

[/quote]

Okay OG here is serious question if they were paid flat wage, how much care, effort ect. would they put into taking care of you as a customer? The resturant company/owner would set a low price to keep their costs down which in turn keeps the cost of the food down. So you would get some pissed off servants that could give two shits if your food is burned, spit on etc. [/quote]

First, … I don’t eat out that often, I do buy coffee often hence my hate of the tip jar.

Second, do a good job. Get fired if you burn or spit on food. At 14% unemployment you can be replaced.

Third, why ever would I go somewhere contingent upon fiscal blackmail? If you are a restaurant with a crappy staff you won’t be in business for long.

Fella,… you don’t get tipped with your job but I bet you do a good job.

I don’t get tipped but I do a good job.

Why does wait staff get a pass? AGAIN I see the buck they make on tips. If they didn’t they would work harder to change the system.

[/quote]

OG are you a business owner or ever owned a business? Recent changes in life have educated me on this topic with real world experience. You are speaking of creating a environment like McDonalds, is that what you are saying you want a sit down nice resturant to have as a business model? There is not education level or formal training for waitress, there is no basis for determining a set wage.

The system is set up so that you “Tip” for the services rendered that is why you tip post your meal etc. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to determine how much that is. Again this keeps the Owner of said business overhead lower and by the natural selection of the process weeds out imperfect staff.

Have you ever fired anybody? Do you know it is not an easy thing to do in real life, termination issues are what makes the human resources department a reality in most businesses. [/quote]

I have been an independent contractor. I know I had to do a good job to KEEP a job.

But regardless, I see you dismissed my very valid points.

If you can’t see how MILLIONS of people who are not wait staff, do their jobs without tipping, then what is the point? Some folks are mired in tradition.

Again, fiscal blackmail is not a good reason to continue tipping.

EDIT: You probably weighed in without reading the article also.

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[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I hate having to tip washroom attendants in nightclubs. If you wash your hands after you do your business you really have no choice.

After you’ve finished expelling urine/faeces they’ll turn on the faucet for you, squirt some soap into your hands, then hand you a towel. It’s gotten to the point where I just bring a mini bottle of hand sanitizer with me whenever I go out.

Also what’s the deal with the tip jar for coat check girls? Why do they even have a tip jar out? I walked up to you, handed you my coat and gave you the money. Should I tip you just to make sure you don’t lose my coat?[/quote]

Wow guys. Coat again is HARD. 800 people come to a night club drunk off their asses and want their coats NOW. The coat check room is too small, in order to raise capacity, and this girl is harassed all night. She ALSO has to tip out the security who kept her from being assaulted or berated. Half the people lose their tickets, through no fault of hers. And she has to deal with EVERYONE at once at 11:45. and again at 1:55!

If she makes any small mistake it will be seen at screamed at. And they all cost over 200 dollars

Give her a fucking dollar bro![/quote]

Dude, I understand her job can be hard but it comes with the territory. Especially since a lot of these clubs have a mandatory coat check policy. Look at all the places tipping occurs in a club. It would be ludicrous to tip in every situation.

you pay $20 cover to get in (Tip jar)

you pay to have your coat checked $2-$4 (tip jar)

you have to tip to wash your hands after you’ve used the washroom. $1-$4 ~ basically no choice

You have the opportunity to tip when you buy a drink.

Also I thought the whole point of tipping the bartender was because of the skill that went into making the drink? I normally order a bottle of water (which normally costs $4) that they simply pull out of the fridge. This fact make makes me want not to tip either but I do.

[/quote]

3 dollars man! 1 buck each. Bathroom guy just ignore him if you really don’t want to tip him. 2 bucks…

Cover is also a hectic job. [/quote]

Why you are okay with ignoring the bathroom guy?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Can I just point out that one of the points for tipping was that “you didn’t get beat up”…

man… can we please have Death Race for real?

[/quote]

The BARTENDER tips the BOUNCER with YOUR money.[/quote]

Again… living wage. I don’t tip a cop, or a fireman, or a lifeguard.

EDIT: and hopefully they do a good job as lives are on the line. Would they save more lives if they were tipped?

[/quote]

Their livelihood isn’t dependant on tipping. They make 80 000, 60 000, 50 000 and 30 000 dollars a year. A server makes 10 000 unless you tip.

This is the reality they’ve been given, why punish? It will cost you the same either way.[/quote]

I agree with you. If it costs the same either way, just pay them a living wage.

But see… I am an auditor at a casino. I see how much can be made in tips. I know why they will take less than a living wage. So stop the whining about working so hard and making so little. If that were the case there would not be a wage contingent upon tipping.

Instead, wait staff takes the gamble. They gamble they will make more than a standard wage with tips. That is your gamble and I should not have to play in it.

Wait staff should have a living wage no tipping.

But I know too many folks that make buck on a good night that won’t take a living wage, they want the gamble then whine if they make less.

[/quote]

Okay OG here is serious question if they were paid flat wage, how much care, effort ect. would they put into taking care of you as a customer? The resturant company/owner would set a low price to keep their costs down which in turn keeps the cost of the food down. So you would get some pissed off servants that could give two shits if your food is burned, spit on etc. [/quote]

First, … I don’t eat out that often, I do buy coffee often hence my hate of the tip jar.

Second, do a good job. Get fired if you burn or spit on food. At 14% unemployment you can be replaced.

Third, why ever would I go somewhere contingent upon fiscal blackmail? If you are a restaurant with a crappy staff you won’t be in business for long.

Fella,… you don’t get tipped with your job but I bet you do a good job.

I don’t get tipped but I do a good job.

Why does wait staff get a pass? AGAIN I see the buck they make on tips. If they didn’t they would work harder to change the system.

[/quote]

OG are you a business owner or ever owned a business? Recent changes in life have educated me on this topic with real world experience. You are speaking of creating a environment like McDonalds, is that what you are saying you want a sit down nice resturant to have as a business model? There is not education level or formal training for waitress, there is no basis for determining a set wage.

The system is set up so that you “Tip” for the services rendered that is why you tip post your meal etc. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to determine how much that is. Again this keeps the Owner of said business overhead lower and by the natural selection of the process weeds out imperfect staff.

Have you ever fired anybody? Do you know it is not an easy thing to do in real life, termination issues are what makes the human resources department a reality in most businesses. [/quote]

I have been an independent contractor. I know I had to do a good job to KEEP a job.

But regardless, I see you dismissed my very valid points.

If you can’t see how MILLIONS of people who are not wait staff, do their jobs without tipping, then what is the point? Some folks are mired in tradition.

Again, fiscal blackmail is not a good reason to continue tipping.

[/quote]

I didnt dismiss them, you do have valid points. My point is from a different perspective, the one who owns the business.

I have a masters level in Nursing and now the Regional manager for an occupational staffing company.

After 20 years of medicine if I make a mistake people die and one step further now if I make a mistake many, many people will lose there jobs. If the waitress messes up my order different story. Again education level, services provided and business owner are what are driving this.

So what do you set the minimum wage to be? And could small resturant owners afford to stay open to pay this wage? We would be left with only chain resturants just like McDonalds.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

I didnt dismiss them, you do have valid points. My point is from a different perspective, the one who owns the business.

I have a masters level in Nursing and now the Regional manager for an occupational staffing company.

After 20 years of medicine if I make a mistake people die and one step further now if I make a mistake many, many people will lose there jobs. If the waitress messes up my order different story. Again education level, services provided and business owner are what are driving this.

So what do you set the minimum wage to be? And could small resturant owners afford to stay open to pay this wage? We would be left with only chain resturants just like McDonalds.[/quote]

I do appreciate what you are saying even though you didn’t read the article.

nope… don’t see your reasoning as you intend though. I don’t go to Mr. A’s here in San Diego because I cannot afford it. BUT… others can.

Nothing exists in a vacuum. Restaurants and bars would have a rough time in the beginning, but holey freaking moley, Americans love to eat out. They will PAY. They will NOT STOP EATING OUT.

And as a result, wait staff will make reliable money. No more predicted taxes.

We know the bill. Not saying you can’t tip if you want to, but no fiscal blackmail.

Anyways, I am aware of the system as it is currently. I am a party to that system in that I accept my role if I do go out to eat. I will not stiff wait staff because I know they get taxed on a portion of my bill. But I have also audited restaurants and am aware of why wait staff will not make the change. It really is up to them. It benefits them so they do not change the system. They are not victims.

Just to bump my point.

Restaurants would survive

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Can I just point out that one of the points for tipping was that “you didn’t get beat up”…

man… can we please have Death Race for real?

[/quote]

The BARTENDER tips the BOUNCER with YOUR money.[/quote]

Again… living wage. I don’t tip a cop, or a fireman, or a lifeguard.

EDIT: and hopefully they do a good job as lives are on the line. Would they save more lives if they were tipped?

[/quote]

Their livelihood isn’t dependant on tipping. They make 80 000, 60 000, 50 000 and 30 000 dollars a year. A server makes 10 000 unless you tip.

This is the reality they’ve been given, why punish? It will cost you the same either way.[/quote]

I agree with you. If it costs the same either way, just pay them a living wage.

But see… I am an auditor at a casino. I see how much can be made in tips. I know why they will take less than a living wage. So stop the whining about working so hard and making so little. If that were the case there would not be a wage contingent upon tipping.

Instead, wait staff takes the gamble. They gamble they will make more than a standard wage with tips. That is your gamble and I should not have to play in it.

Wait staff should have a living wage no tipping.

But I know too many folks that make buck on a good night that won’t take a living wage, they want the gamble then whine if they make less.

[/quote]

Okay OG here is serious question if they were paid flat wage, how much care, effort ect. would they put into taking care of you as a customer? The resturant company/owner would set a low price to keep their costs down which in turn keeps the cost of the food down. So you would get some pissed off servants that could give two shits if your food is burned, spit on etc. [/quote]

First, … I don’t eat out that often, I do buy coffee often hence my hate of the tip jar.

Second, do a good job. Get fired if you burn or spit on food. At 14% unemployment you can be replaced.

Third, why ever would I go somewhere contingent upon fiscal blackmail? If you are a restaurant with a crappy staff you won’t be in business for long.

Fella,… you don’t get tipped with your job but I bet you do a good job.

I don’t get tipped but I do a good job.

Why does wait staff get a pass? AGAIN I see the buck they make on tips. If they didn’t they would work harder to change the system.

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OG are you a business owner or ever owned a business? Recent changes in life have educated me on this topic with real world experience. You are speaking of creating a environment like McDonalds, is that what you are saying you want a sit down nice resturant to have as a business model? There is not education level or formal training for waitress, there is no basis for determining a set wage.

The system is set up so that you “Tip” for the services rendered that is why you tip post your meal etc. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to determine how much that is. Again this keeps the Owner of said business overhead lower and by the natural selection of the process weeds out imperfect staff.

Have you ever fired anybody? Do you know it is not an easy thing to do in real life, termination issues are what makes the human resources department a reality in most businesses. [/quote]

I have been an independent contractor. I know I had to do a good job to KEEP a job.

But regardless, I see you dismissed my very valid points.

If you can’t see how MILLIONS of people who are not wait staff, do their jobs without tipping, then what is the point? Some folks are mired in tradition.

Again, fiscal blackmail is not a good reason to continue tipping.

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I didnt dismiss them, you do have valid points. My point is from a different perspective, the one who owns the business.

I have a masters level in Nursing and now the Regional manager for an occupational staffing company.

After 20 years of medicine if I make a mistake people die and one step further now if I make a mistake many, many people will lose there jobs. If the waitress messes up my order different story. Again education level, services provided and business owner are what are driving this.

So what do you set the minimum wage to be? And could small resturant owners afford to stay open to pay this wage? We would be left with only chain resturants just like McDonalds.[/quote]

Sorry! I overlooked what I would set as a minimum wage. Wouldn’t it be at least the Federal Minimum wage? I thought California’s minimum wage was above Federal but I haven’t looked at it recently.

Start at a Federal mandate and work from there.

Can you not see that with 14% unemployment you better damn well be doing a good job?

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I hate having to tip washroom attendants in nightclubs. If you wash your hands after you do your business you really have no choice.

After you’ve finished expelling urine/faeces they’ll turn on the faucet for you, squirt some soap into your hands, then hand you a towel. It’s gotten to the point where I just bring a mini bottle of hand sanitizer with me whenever I go out.

Also what’s the deal with the tip jar for coat check girls? Why do they even have a tip jar out? I walked up to you, handed you my coat and gave you the money. Should I tip you just to make sure you don’t lose my coat?[/quote]

Wow guys. Coat again is HARD. 800 people come to a night club drunk off their asses and want their coats NOW. The coat check room is too small, in order to raise capacity, and this girl is harassed all night. She ALSO has to tip out the security who kept her from being assaulted or berated. Half the people lose their tickets, through no fault of hers. And she has to deal with EVERYONE at once at 11:45. and again at 1:55!

If she makes any small mistake it will be seen at screamed at. And they all cost over 200 dollars

Give her a fucking dollar bro![/quote]

Dude, I understand her job can be hard but it comes with the territory. Especially since a lot of these clubs have a mandatory coat check policy. Look at all the places tipping occurs in a club. It would be ludicrous to tip in every situation.

you pay $20 cover to get in (Tip jar)

you pay to have your coat checked $2-$4 (tip jar)

you have to tip to wash your hands after you’ve used the washroom. $1-$4 ~ basically no choice

You have the opportunity to tip when you buy a drink.

Also I thought the whole point of tipping the bartender was because of the skill that went into making the drink? I normally order a bottle of water (which normally costs $4) that they simply pull out of the fridge. This fact make makes me want not to tip either but I do.

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3 dollars man! 1 buck each. Bathroom guy just ignore him if you really don’t want to tip him. 2 bucks…

Cover is also a hectic job. [/quote]

Why you are okay with ignoring the bathroom guy?
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Cover, coatcheck, drinks mandatory. Soap is not. I say this even though I had to fill in as bathroom attendant once or twice.