Tipping - Good Idea or Bad Idea

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Most of the guest list I’ve seen here is done through the promoters and not so much done though the actual clubs[/quote]

Guestlist is done through bartenders more than anyone else. Had you laid a nice tip once in a while, chatted with them and what not after going out 3 times a week, you could have made some good friends and not paid for a drink or cover more often than not.

It pays off in the end. If you are going to invest that much time being in a building you should get to know the staff who operate it.

EDIT: Which isn’t to say that you need to tip gratuitously to become a bartender’s/bouncer’s/barback’s friend. Treating them as a human being rather than someone who is working specifically for the purpose of later collecting your tip is a start though.

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
people who do not tip are assholes.[/quote]

Fuck you running if you want to be a lazy asshole and not read the thread.

Blessed be! =)

[quote]JackDanials wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I hate tipping. I do not get tipped at my job and I do service other people. [/quote]

And by service you mean???[/quote]

Seriously?

do you think waiters and waitresses are sucking dick?

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]JackDanials wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I hate tipping. I do not get tipped at my job and I do service other people. [/quote]

And by service you mean???[/quote]

Seriously?

do you think waiters and waitresses are sucking dick?

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That might get there pay up to 40 an hour.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
People refer to servers as unskilled labour because there is no education required to perform the tasks in the job. It has NOTHING to do with how hard job is.[/quote]

Exactly… apparently the proletariat think you want to hoist an effigy and burn them.

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]JackDanials wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I hate tipping. I do not get tipped at my job and I do service other people. [/quote]

And by service you mean???[/quote]

Seriously?

do you think waiters and waitresses are sucking dick?

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That might get there pay up to 40 an hour.[/quote]

Well knock out my teeth and let me buy knee pads.

DJHT, I very much respect that you have been a business owner. But, I have seen some sides as an idependent contractor that maybe you have not.

This thread was to question why, and I gotta say for me, the reasons why don’t really hold why beyond tradition. I am also savvy enough to know that I will not change this ingrained system.

but… glad to see some light on it.

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I explained this earlier with the term information asymmetry - the average person has no idea a server makes $30+/hour. If this were common knowledge I think the supply in this market would increase and people would tip less. I don’t know about you but before this thread I would’ve guessed with tips their wages worked out to no more than $20/hour MAX.

And yeah not everyone could cut it as a server but by and large unskilled labour in pretty darn interchangeable.

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Why does everyone keep throwing out $30 an hour? MementoMori isn’t a server, he said that himself. A server in a nice, busy restaurant on a friday or saturday night might break $30 an hour with tips. However, get that same server working on a tuesday afternoon when it’s really slow and with tips they might make a whopping $5.00-6.00 an hour.

I don’t understand how people in this thread can act like they make $30 at all times. It’s not because of “informational asymmetry.” It’s because they don’t. If they did, all the people that served would tell their friends, and soon enough everyone would want to serve food.

I also disagree with the unskilled labor being interchangable. Maybe that could be applied to in the same relative field (factory work to factory work, roofing to construction, serving to dishwashing), but I doubt more than 5% of the people that I’ve worked with in the food industry could do a half servicable job on a roofing crew.[/quote]

Some folks make a lot of buck and would fuck you in the eye to take away them making tips.

I say fine. Gamble away. One day no one will tip.

Just to put it out there

fuck off if you think anyone here is stating they don’t want to tip to be cheap. Fuck your stupid ass already.

As I and others have said, we would pay MORE> more you stupid assholes, to not tip and have your CHEAP employers pay a living wage

so go suck dick before you say stupid stuff about being cheap.

If you can’t understand get your stupid ass to a tutor.

whew… just checking cuz some folks posting are in need of direction.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Just to put it out there

fuck off if you think anyone here is stating they don’t want to tip to be cheap. Fuck your stupid ass already.

As I and others have said, we would pay MORE> more you stupid assholes, to not tip and have your CHEAP employers pay a living wage

so go suck dick before you say stupid stuff about being cheap.

If you can’t understand get your stupid ass to a tutor.

whew… just checking cuz some folks posting are in need of direction.

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Damn, if that wouldn’t have cleaned some Japs out of their holes on Iwo Jima.[/quote]`

I do kinda feel bad,… so sorry to my bestest big brother

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:
I would be happier with the situation if the owners and managers of restaurants were responsible for paying the full wage of their employees.[/quote]

And let’s face it…your happiness is paramount.[quote]

Alternatively, I think it’d be cool if I could engage in financial blackmail with the parents of my students, for example, giving the students inaccurate or badly mangled tutelage if their parents didn’t tip me enough to educate the youngsters properly.[/quote]

Then again, if you’re foolish enough to view tipping as nothing more than financial blackmail I have a feeling you’re already predisposed to giving your students inaccurate or badly mangled tutelage.[/quote]

I can see why you wouldn’t place a high value on my happiness… but I can’t see why you’d think I do the same.

I do think of tipping as financial blackmail. For me, tipping is not a value-adding service. When I go out to eat, I go out TO EAT. Not to be waited on. Let me buy a drink, I’ll get my own refills, my own chips and salsa, and if you let me know when my order is ready, I’ll get it myself. No problem. I don’t see a reason to pay an extra two to six dollars to someone else so I can avoid some GPP. I know some people like to feel pampered, and that’s okay. That’s not me.

As a result, I tend to go to places where there aren’t servers. When I order pizza, I pick it up. I eat at Chachos a good bit. I’m not wasting waiters’ time, they’re not wasting my money, everyones happy.

But some places serve really good food that, for some reason, I can’t seem to purchase without the waiter getting in the way. And if I consume the food at this place on a regular basis, if I do not tip in a manner sufficient with the wait-staff’s ego, they have within their power the ability to do horrible things to my food. It’d be nice to know the requisite surcharge to insure the kitchen staff’s good work gets to my table unmolested. But its not listed anywhere on the menu. I have to infer it based on the wait-staff’s mood, temperament, and how much they seem to think they’re worth. I see this as an inefficient system.

I’m in favor of increasing the transparency of the transaction I’m making with the business owner. I think a simple thing to do that would be if they raised their prices (probably to what the meals usually cost including tip) and paid the servers their wages, rather than the responsibility lying with me as a consumer to possibly misjudge the value of some unskilled labor and end up with the whole enchilada tits up.

Really Push, I’m surprised you hate transparent, efficient markets. I bet you kick puppies, too, while reading Dreams from My Father.

[quote]saveski wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:
I would be happier with the situation if the owners and managers of restaurants were responsible for paying the full wage of their employees.

Alternatively, I think it’d be cool if I could engage in financial blackmail with the parents of my students, for example, giving the students inaccurate or badly mangled tutelage if their parents didn’t tip me enough to educate the youngsters properly.[/quote]

I checked out of this thread long ago - but had to comment here.

You’re a teacher? I hope you’re being sarcastic but if not then you’re just a douchebag.

Last time I checked teachers were salaried and not tipped.

I’ve chimed in to this discussion as the owner of a large 250-seat restaurant and my facts just seem to have fallen on deaf ears. Just makes me realize how stupid people are in defending their own beliefs CONTRARY TO THE FACTS AND REALITY.

Don’t listen to me though - I’ve only got 60 employees and 25 servers on staff and deal with this shit every minute of every day.

You college kids are WAY smarter than me.

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Wait, so you’re okay with tipping wait-staff, bartenders, barbers, taxi-cab drivers, the guy who hands out towels in the restroom, bussers, doormen, floormen, janitors, salesmen, computer repair technicians, personal trainers, impersonal trainers, and the guy that clips your movie tickets in the theater, but balk at tipping teachers?

Woah. What gives?

I mean, if all the above professions can expect a tip in addition to what their miserly employer is paying them, why not teachers? Don’t you expect good service from your child’s teacher? How are we to know which students merit the most of our time and energy if we don’t regularly receive tips from customers that value our services?

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Welcome home, my good friend.

Metallica- Welcome home (Sanitarium) music video - YouTube [/quote]

:slight_smile:

[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]saveski wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:
I would be happier with the situation if the owners and managers of restaurants were responsible for paying the full wage of their employees.

Alternatively, I think it’d be cool if I could engage in financial blackmail with the parents of my students, for example, giving the students inaccurate or badly mangled tutelage if their parents didn’t tip me enough to educate the youngsters properly.[/quote]

I checked out of this thread long ago - but had to comment here.

You’re a teacher? I hope you’re being sarcastic but if not then you’re just a douchebag.

Last time I checked teachers were salaried and not tipped.

I’ve chimed in to this discussion as the owner of a large 250-seat restaurant and my facts just seem to have fallen on deaf ears. Just makes me realize how stupid people are in defending their own beliefs CONTRARY TO THE FACTS AND REALITY.

Don’t listen to me though - I’ve only got 60 employees and 25 servers on staff and deal with this shit every minute of every day.

You college kids are WAY smarter than me.

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Wait, so you’re okay with tipping wait-staff, bartenders, barbers, taxi-cab drivers, the guy who hands out towels in the restroom, bussers, doormen, floormen, janitors, salesmen, computer repair technicians, personal trainers, impersonal trainers, and the guy that clips your movie tickets in the theater, but balk at tipping teachers?

Woah. What gives?

I mean, if all the above professions can expect a tip in addition to what their miserly employer is paying them, why not teachers? Don’t you expect good service from your child’s teacher? How are we to know which students merit the most of our time and energy if we don’t regularly receive tips from customers that value our services?[/quote]+9

smooches

----- oh fella. You just had a bunch of crazy folks decide things for you

Because tipping a teacher gives them a bias… basically thats the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life… even if you aren’t serious. A teacher is supposed to carry themselves with dignity and class… your goal is to shape the future… you are the people that control what happens generation after generation.

A teacher expecting a tip is a person that doesn’t deserve to be a teacher… something that would so obviously create a bias has no place in the profession. If you can’t see that then I fear for the children in your classes.

Also if some of you people can’t grasp the difference between a certain profession/service… then I stand by what I said earlier… and no longer understand the other “side”

I think people that don’t tip are cheap assholes

edit: I should also state… I rather not have them paid more so I don’t have to tip because there is no longer an incentive to perform. And yes you can say in other jobs you don’t get tipped and people work hard… well with my job I worked long and hard to get there… I’m not going to suddenly start slacking… but if I applied for a job that didn’t require any effort and or degree to reach… you better believe I wouldn’t put as much effort into it… I’m gonna make 8-10/h at the end of the day regardless. Is that the case for everyone… probably not… but tips guarantee you won’t get shit service the majority of the time you eat out. When I was a teenager I worked at lowes… for every 30 employees there was 1 that worked hard. The rest either didn’t or found ways to simulate them working hard. I’m sure everyone has a similar experience.

also what kills me is people that can’t even calculate the tip without their phone etc… if you can’t figure out 15% of something then holy shit… math must be really hard O.o

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
people who do not tip are assholes.[/quote]

Fuck you running if you want to be a lazy asshole and not read the thread.

Blessed be! =)[/quote]

I did read your thread honey.
and even had I chosen not to… well shoot that’s my perogative isn’t it?

You’ve always been bizarrely aggressively bitchy towards me.

The first time you quoted me on TNation you reprimanded me for" fixing" a quote. You were extremely rude and condescending about it.

In the ask anything thread I’m pretty sure you called me a retard.

And now you’re blessing me with" fuck yourself" and" lazy asshole"

What exactly is your problem with me OG?
I haven’t noticed these bitch maneuvers directed at anyone else.

For all I know, maybe you ARE a cunt to other people too. Either way, third times a charm so i’ll suggest that perhaps you are the one that needs a good fucking. From yourself or elsewhere your disposition could use some improvement.

Dear.

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
people who do not tip are assholes.[/quote]

Fuck you running if you want to be a lazy asshole and not read the thread.

Blessed be! =)[/quote]

I did read your thread honey.
and even had I chosen not to… well shoot that’s my perogative isn’t it?

Sorry you don’t like being called an asshole.

Sucks for you.

Dear.
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