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I’ll say it again, there is no way a server is worth $30 an hour. Period.
If you’d actually care to show me otherwise, go ahead and do so.
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What you’re saying is the DEFINITION of being on a “high horse” - you’re saying that people shouldn’t get $x per hour for a profession based on how YOU feel about it, and that’s bull shit.
It’s rarely a consistent $30/hr and even then they still have to tip out. Again, get off your high fucking horse (maybe both you and the horse are high).
Here, I did some quick math for you idiots:
Avg server wage (consistent) per 5.5 HOUR SHIFT (normal shift), from a collection of server-friends I’ve spoken to – $23/hr
Avg server works 6 days a week if they’re experienced and been there a while, because they want to make as much tip as possible
Avg of 51 weeks a year worked
23 x 5.5 x 6 x 51 = $38,709
If working only 5 days a week…
23 x 5.5 x 5 x 51 - $32,257
Now…is that seriously so much money to you some of you that you are simply APPALLED such that you want to make sure the server doesn’t come close to that?
That’s what this argument is boiling down to: “I don’t think FEEL they should be making that much…”
Well, they’re not making that much to begin with. What people make per year is none of your goddamn business. Why that has an impact on whether or not you TIP (which is the basis of a lot of servers’ incomes) is absurd and frankly disgusting.
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Also, everyone arguing to let the market work has it right, and the current status quo is what the market has dictated. If less and less people decide to tip, the # of servers will drop and restaurant owners will be forced to pay a higher wage and food prices go up. At the end of the day, equilibrium is reached one way or another. [/quote]
But the thing is there is information asymmetry in the market. If the average person knew how much these people made with their tips, I would argue people would tip them less. Much less.
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…And then less people would be willing to be servers (see above for what happens after that). Some people are only servers BECAUSE they make that much. [/quote]
The market has reached an equilibrium but there is market inefficiency.
Currently, they get paid a wage well above the average going rate for a non-skilled labourer. Even If tipping was reduced I would argue non-skill labourers from other markets would move in to make up for people who do not want to work at the new wage. Even if their wage dropped to say $25/hour I’m sure people pumping gas for $12/hour would have no problem making up for the loss of employees.
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So why don’t the $12/hour gas pumping employees flock to serving as waiters right now when the pay is (supposedly) $30/hour? And will those converted gas pumpers be good enough as servers to still make $30/hour?
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I explained this earlier with the term information asymmetry - the average person has no idea a server makes $30+/hour. If this were common knowledge I think the supply in this market would increase and people would tip less. I don’t know about you but before this thread I would’ve guessed with tips their wages worked out to no more than $20/hour MAX.
And yeah not everyone could cut it as a server but by and large unskilled labour in pretty darn interchangeable.
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ARRRRRRRRRGH! They make 30 dollars an hour Saturday night between 6 and 9 you miser!!!
Then Tuesday afternoon they spend THREE hours sitting in a booth paying for food and drinks out of boredome, wasting their day until they’ve heard they are cut and have to go home down 15 dollars plus gas!
They average less than 20 dollars an hour if it were a 40 hour a week schedule!
Why are you tipping to determine someone’s annual income?! You tip because they SERVED you.
I’m tired of repeating this point, but one more time.
SERVERS/BARTENDERS DO NOT MAKE 30 DOLLARS AN HOUR ACROSS A WORK WEEK! And if they come close it is because they work in the busiest spot in their city and are of the HIGHEST seniority and are lucky fucks! (I’ll admit I’m fortunate enough to be one such person)[/quote]
Wow there are places in Ottawa that get that busy? What are the best places to go in your city?
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PM if you like. I’ve gone into alot of detail about how I feel about this, along with pay structure, to be naming my place of work on this thread. Are you from Ottawa?[/quote]
Nope, from Toronto I go out a LOT here. At least twice a week during the winter and at least 3 times a week during the summer.
But the reason I’m asking is I do visit friends in Ottawa a bunch. [/quote]
Do you tip alot? Are you friends with the staff at these night clubs? And do you get perks like guest list, free drinks etc?
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I only have 1-2 drinks every time I go out and normally tip a loonie per drink. I will occasionally tip the bathroom guy never the person collecting cover. There are a couple spots I know promoters and get in for free or at least bypass line. But Normally the expensive night (Saturday) I end up paying full price to go in since I don’t usually go to the same place on Saturdays.
Tuesday and Thursdays I have “in’s” with the promoter.
