hey ct,
i’ve read alot here lately about the muscle being under tension or time under tension.and if this post or idea has been mentioned before, i apologize for having you to repeat the answer. so in that note, instead of counting reps- could you just count the time under tension and make the muscles grow more effectively? and if you are always counting time instead of reps, would it be over training even adding weight each week?
I don’t see how this can be practical at all, do you hire someone to time your sets with a stopwatch? It’s also irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, instead focus on:
no i don’t hire anybody. sometimes you have to think outside of the box in order to grow, instead of following the 3 sets of 6-8 reps for strength/size. i lift heavy on the big lifts whenever that day comes around, but when i was asking about the t.u.t., it was mainly geared towards the assistance lifts. i should of put that in the question.
and i wouldn’t use a stopwatch, i would just count seconds until my muscle fatigued, give it rest and do it again for a couple more sets. and if this idea is somewhat reasonable, i would only use it once for every muscle group.
Thinking outside the box, I dig it. Its the only way to progress.
You can count the TUT and train that way. You would add weight because at a given load and TUT you would stagnate. So you could increase the load and keep TUT the same. TUT is sort of a poor man’s way of expressing the more measured concept of Time Tension Integral (TTI). If you want the latest update on how TTI is associated with hypertrophy surf over to hypertophy-specific.com, join, and contact Dan Moore. He is slow to answer but a good guy and always up for discussing research.
In 1999 I used to do all sets for exactly 1 minute using a 2 second positive and a 4 second negative. I would increment the weight once I could perform the lift for just over a minute. Usually when going to the next weight I would be around 50 seconds. Experience with this method showed me that if I couldn’t continue the lift for at least 50 seconds I was lifting too heavy to make consistent progress. So measuring TUT gave me useful feedback about how I was progressing and whether I was ready to go up in weight. It wasn’t useless.
Notice that if someone is talking about sets and reps they are still talking about TUT. So for instance “use a weight that you can perform for 5 reps and do this for 5 sets.” Unless the subject’s lifting speed varies greatly, there is a consistent TUT from set to set that does not vary by more than a few seconds. Charles Poliquin has stated more than once that “hypertophy is load times TUT” which is roughly the Time Tension Integral.
I measured TUT with a $10 digital watch that counted seconds. I would just set the watch on my lap or the ground or wherever I could see it and keep and eye on it while doing my reps. It wasn’t hard.
Muscle growth is all about mechanical loading. Loading has:
Focusing on TUT is basically meant to increase the quantity of mechanical loading. But by using this approach you often sacrifice magnitude because you decrease the amount of force produced (Force = mass x acceleration… increasing TUT often decreases both the mass lifted and the acceleration).
I much prefer to increase quantity of loading by doing more sets or adding sets of eccentric-less training rather than lengthening the TUT for a set.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Muscle growth is all about mechanical loading. Loading has:
Focusing on TUT is basically meant to increase the quantity of mechanical loading. But by using this approach you often sacrifice magnitude because you decrease the amount of force produced (Force = mass x acceleration… increasing TUT often decreases both the mass lifted and the acceleration).
I much prefer to increase quantity of loading by doing more sets or adding sets of eccentric-less training rather than lengthening the TUT for a set.[/quote]
the only thing i really don’t understand is the magnitude and eccentric-less training?
everything else i understand
[quote]beltman1 wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Muscle growth is all about mechanical loading. Loading has:
Focusing on TUT is basically meant to increase the quantity of mechanical loading. But by using this approach you often sacrifice magnitude because you decrease the amount of force produced (Force = mass x acceleration… increasing TUT often decreases both the mass lifted and the acceleration).
I much prefer to increase quantity of loading by doing more sets or adding sets of eccentric-less training rather than lengthening the TUT for a set.[/quote]
Eccentric-less is just a way to add volume without making it much harder for the bod to recover. Eccentric-less work creates very little muscle damage and are less neurally draining than regular training. So you can add eccentric-less work to a regular workout, increasing the amount of mechanical loading placed on the body.
Eccentric-less training is NOT superior to regular training; but its addition can help you progress faster.
the only thing i really don’t understand is the magnitude and eccentric-less training?
everything else i understand
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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]beltman1 wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Muscle growth is all about mechanical loading. Loading has:
Focusing on TUT is basically meant to increase the quantity of mechanical loading. But by using this approach you often sacrifice magnitude because you decrease the amount of force produced (Force = mass x acceleration… increasing TUT often decreases both the mass lifted and the acceleration).
I much prefer to increase quantity of loading by doing more sets or adding sets of eccentric-less training rather than lengthening the TUT for a set.[/quote]
Eccentric-less is just a way to add volume without making it much harder for the bod to recover. Eccentric-less work creates very little muscle damage and are less neurally draining than regular training. So you can add eccentric-less work to a regular workout, increasing the amount of mechanical loading placed on the body.
Eccentric-less training is NOT superior to regular training; but its addition can help you progress faster.
the only thing i really don’t understand is the magnitude and eccentric-less training?
everything else i understand
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so in essence, eccentric-less is like I,Bodybuilder with the extra sets?
i’m just trying to understand all of this because i fitness is my career.
Let’s backtrack for a moment. When we say “eccentric-less sets” are you familiar with what we mean by “eccentric-less?”
BTW CT thank you for the eccentric-less idea. I’ve read the research on adaptations to eccentric vs. concentric loading but it never occurred to me going eccentric-less could be used to add stimulus with little need for extra recovery. It makes perfect sense now that you’ve pointed it out. I will try this with my shoulder programming.
[quote]MilosTrophy wrote:
Let’s backtrack for a moment. When we say “eccentric-less sets” are you familiar with what we mean by “eccentric-less?”[/quote]
nope, not at all. i’ve never heard that term before, that’s why i’m in this forum asking about it
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]beltman1 wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Muscle growth is all about mechanical loading. Loading has:
Focusing on TUT is basically meant to increase the quantity of mechanical loading. But by using this approach you often sacrifice magnitude because you decrease the amount of force produced (Force = mass x acceleration… increasing TUT often decreases both the mass lifted and the acceleration).
I much prefer to increase quantity of loading by doing more sets or adding sets of eccentric-less training rather than lengthening the TUT for a set.[/quote]
Eccentric-less is just a way to add volume without making it much harder for the bod to recover. Eccentric-less work creates very little muscle damage and are less neurally draining than regular training. So you can add eccentric-less work to a regular workout, increasing the amount of mechanical loading placed on the body.
Eccentric-less training is NOT superior to regular training; but its addition can help you progress faster.
the only thing i really don’t understand is the magnitude and eccentric-less training?
everything else i understand
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Thibs,
going back to the start of this thread, i now understand alot better about eccentric-less training. i’ve watched the videos and that’s how i’ve come to understand what you were trying to explain to me only because i’m a visual learner. but thanks for the videos and the help as well.