[quote]Headhunter wrote:
thorax wrote:
If you think your’re ready to cut, do it by cutting calories and doing low intensity cardio. You will not ‘convince’ your body to keep the muscles if you do not lift heavy and switch to high volume. Keep your sessions short, ramp to your max set and see what happens.
The Plebes at the United States Naval Academy do an hour and a half of running, pushups, sit ups, stuff like that 6 days/week (before breakfast) and most of them looked a helluva lot better than most everyone here. My son put on 7 pounds since July 1st and is leaner. I’m beginning to think that most people would be better off doing what they do. Who wants to be HYYYUUUGGGEEEEE but huff and puff after running up a flight of stairs? Fuck that.
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My friend went into the Naval Academy at a lean and jacked 235 at 6’5. After all that conditioning work they did that you’re hyping up, he weighed 175…at 6’5.
[quote]donovanbrambila wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
thorax wrote:
If you think your’re ready to cut, do it by cutting calories and doing low intensity cardio. You will not ‘convince’ your body to keep the muscles if you do not lift heavy and switch to high volume. Keep your sessions short, ramp to your max set and see what happens.
The Plebes at the United States Naval Academy do an hour and a half of running, pushups, sit ups, stuff like that 6 days/week (before breakfast) and most of them looked a helluva lot better than most everyone here. My son put on 7 pounds since July 1st and is leaner. I’m beginning to think that most people would be better off doing what they do. Who wants to be HYYYUUUGGGEEEEE but huff and puff after running up a flight of stairs? Fuck that.
My friend went into the Naval Academy at a lean and jacked 235 at 6’5. After all that conditioning work they did that you’re hyping up, he weighed 175…at 6’5.
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Plebe summer lasts 6 weeks. So he lost 60 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks, around 10 lbs per week?
I suspect he couldn’t get D-Bombs on ‘the Yard’, if what you say is true.
[quote]donovanbrambila wrote:
My friend went into the Naval Academy at a lean and jacked 235 at 6’5. After all that conditioning work they did that you’re hyping up, he weighed 175…at 6’5.
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That must have been due to a personal choice of his because there are enough jacked guys here to prove that’s possible… if you try.
[quote]forlife wrote:
How long are your workouts? I would continue lifting heavy, but in the 8-10 rep range. [/quote]
Thanks man!
If I go for TUT (i’ve tried it a couple of times) they can last anywhere up to 1hr and 30 - 2hrs
If I go for just beating my reps/weight from the last session usually i’m done just shy of an hour.
Keep in mind I do LIT cardio on the tread mill or a complex straight after.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
RicciR- Put up any questions you’ve got bro. I get a low of PMs, and certainly don’t mind given my opinions.
Headhunter- Training to be a bodybuilder should not be compared to getting in shape for the military. One of my current training partners as well as a very close friend both put in YEARS in the service and then started training in a hypertrophy based manner afterward. BOTH of them will admit to being in better ‘condition’ while in the service, but as far as looking bigger, or even more muscular?
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Also your comment about being out of breath from going up stairs? Anyone who weighs over 250 lbs will obviously have a harder time completing such a task with their own bodyweight than someone who weighs under 150 lbs (that’s regardless if they’re a hyoooge bodybuilder, or just some fat ass coach sloth).
Besides, when a drill sergeant is telling you what to do every day,… isn’t that a bit like having a qualified trainer guide you day in and day out? How can you compare that to newbs on here who still don’t know what they’re doing in the gym? And gaining 7 lbs in 1 month? I know you’re proud of your son, but he must have been training and eating horribly to be able to make that sort of progress -lol.
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Cheers Stu.
And I totally agree on the tangent this thread has taken. Comparing apples with oranges…
The intents/outcomes of the two types of training are very different mentally and physically.
I don’t see any point in trying to compare the performances of the two different athletes but I think there’s important things I can learn from both methods.
As another posted stated, I’m experienced enough that body weight stuff is only useful for me when i’m using it for “Circuit” style training rather than “hypertrophy”.
Does that sound right?
Or am I full of cr*p??
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
donovanbrambila wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
thorax wrote:
If you think your’re ready to cut, do it by cutting calories and doing low intensity cardio. You will not ‘convince’ your body to keep the muscles if you do not lift heavy and switch to high volume. Keep your sessions short, ramp to your max set and see what happens.
The Plebes at the United States Naval Academy do an hour and a half of running, pushups, sit ups, stuff like that 6 days/week (before breakfast) and most of them looked a helluva lot better than most everyone here. My son put on 7 pounds since July 1st and is leaner. I’m beginning to think that most people would be better off doing what they do. Who wants to be HYYYUUUGGGEEEEE but huff and puff after running up a flight of stairs? Fuck that.
My friend went into the Naval Academy at a lean and jacked 235 at 6’5. After all that conditioning work they did that you’re hyping up, he weighed 175…at 6’5.
Plebe summer lasts 6 weeks. So he lost 60 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks, around 10 lbs per week?
I suspect he couldn’t get D-Bombs on ‘the Yard’, if what you say is true.
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I have no reason to lie. And he totally did L-Bombs on ‘the Lawn’. Got another secret languages you wanna speak in?
[quote]belligerent wrote:
“Time under tension” does not = length of time spent in the gym. It means the length of a given set.
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Thanks mate,
Wasn’t sure if that was directed at me? If so, sorry if I didn’t explain myself properly…
I totally agree, and also agree though with the poster below you.
For me TUT means me lifting a lighter weight so that my sets take longer, my muscles stay under constant tension for more like 40 seconds…whereas when I lift as heavy as I can my sets generally last around 15-20seconds, because i’m only getting around 4-5-6 reps max.
I’ve read bits an pieces promoting the “longer duration” under tension sets VS the shorter heavier, and it got me wondering because I noticed I was spending less and less time in the gym because I was beating my reps or weight.
Re “rest”, I don’t really rest much between sets, I either get up and stay moving for around 15-20seconds then hit it again, or I jump into a plank position for 30-40 secs, then hit it again.
I’ve actually tried it both ways…
Heavy with short rest and heavy with long rest…it makes no difference to my strength or ability to go hard and meet my reps/weight, the only difference is I feel much more taxed at the end, close to vomitting actually.
It’s a good thing… I think.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
thorax wrote:
If you think your’re ready to cut, do it by cutting calories and doing low intensity cardio. You will not ‘convince’ your body to keep the muscles if you do not lift heavy and switch to high volume. Keep your sessions short, ramp to your max set and see what happens.
The Plebes at the United States Naval Academy do an hour and a half of running, pushups, sit ups, stuff like that 6 days/week (before breakfast) and most of them looked a helluva lot better than most everyone here. My son put on 7 pounds since July 1st and is leaner. I’m beginning to think that most people would be better off doing what they do. Who wants to be HYYYUUUGGGEEEEE but huff and puff after running up a flight of stairs? Fuck that.
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The kids there are probably smaller than 80% of the people that have been on this site (and actually working out) for a few months. I had to do all of that calisthenic stuff also, and got a little bit of muscle. Body weight exercises will only get you so far, and then you hit a wall in strength and size gain.
For me TUT means me lifting a lighter weight so that my sets take longer, my muscles stay under constant tension for more like 40 seconds…whereas when I lift as heavy as I can my sets generally last around 15-20seconds, because i’m only getting around 4-5-6 reps max.
I’ve read bits an pieces promoting the “longer duration” under tension sets VS the shorter heavier, and it got me wondering because I noticed I was spending less and less time in the gym because I was beating my reps or weight.
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Hey bro,
You could also try something guys like Poliquin especially off the top of my head are big on with lower rep sets. Back your weight up a little bit, stay with, say, 4-6 reps, but do them SLOOOW on the eccentric/lowering/negative portion. It’s not something I use a ton, but when I want a longer TUT I’d rather do that than add in a bunch more reps, personally.
I have had very good success in the past, by doing sets of 6 with say, 6 second negative and then an explosive concentric. Comes right out to about your 40 seconds, and you should be able to go heavier than you would upping your reps to like 12 or so, even if you have to lower a little at first. As you get used to it the weights will shoot right back up to where you are with a 1 or 2 second negative.
And most importantly, as many stated in this thread and can’t be said enough, you will still be hitting HEAVY weights, which is whats going to hold onto all that muscle you’ve already built. Just my opnion, if TUT is what you’re shooting for anyway.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
The adage I’ve heard countless times is “what built the muscle will allow you to keep the muscle”, meaning that if you used heavy weights for 90% of your training that allowed you to bulk up in the first place, then even though you’re going to be on some sort of cal restriction, keep hitting it heavy and hard.
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^^^^^THIS^^^^^
Some other things to consider though. Dont do as much stuff to failure. In a calorie restriction this is going to burn you out. Also, take less rest between sets, and between exercises. So you could do supersets, or tri-sets, and finish the same workout in less time. And after these progressions, you can start adding volume or intensity and build some muscle.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
The adage I’ve heard countless times is “what built the muscle will allow you to keep the muscle”, meaning that if you used heavy weights for 90% of your training that allowed you to bulk up in the first place, then even though you’re going to be on some sort of cal restriction, keep hitting it heavy and hard.
S
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^^^^^THIS^^^^^
Some other things to consider though. Dont do as much stuff to failure. In a calorie restriction this is going to burn you out. Also, take less rest between sets, and between exercises. So you could do supersets, or tri-sets, and finish the same workout in less time. And after these progressions, you can start adding volume or intensity and build some muscle.
