Let’s say you take two six week periods off per year. That’s 9 of 12 months on. I’m just saying that’s a long time to be blasting.
Are you on cycle currently? What’s your next cycle going to be? and yeet 9 months on is a lot however every individual has the right to chose what they decide to do with regards to how long they stay on, it’s not our place to determine what said individual should do. Some people can get away with blasting their entire life, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Frank Zane etc, while others can do one or two cycles and die from cardiotoxic complications related to AAS, especially if they have undiagnosed heart conditions.
I’m with you boss. I dont think it’s a good idea to stay juiced up that long. It’s just for sake of argument. You make a good point. Heart health is the end all say all. You make a good point about Arnold and Stallone. What about Ronnie Coleman??? When Coleman retired I believe he openly stated that he would be running 600 mgs a week just to maintain some body weight. 600 F’ING MGS A WEEK TO MAINTAIN. WOW. To each his own. Be smart. Keep learning. Live healthy. Watch your bloodwork and read your body and what its telling you. Just cause you read it on the internet doesn’t mean it’s TRUE.
Ronnie Coleman was regularly lifting like 900+ lbs, that’s why his joints are so screwed up now lol. My joints are messed up and I don’t even lift heavy!
Not all bodybuilders get off so easy, while Albert Beckles is now 88 and healthy, you’ve got some who drop dead in their 30s 40s and 50s. Typically this is related to genetic factors and/or poor lifestyle (compounding drug abuse like coke, meth, AAS, HGH, slin, many of which have cardiotoxic effects) other times individuals are just unlucky. Personally I think there’s a genetic component as to why some will die from drug abuse and some don’t, look at Ozzy Ozbourne, there’s gotta be some genetic abnormality for anyone to be able to survive such drug abuse and not be dead and/ or brain damaged. Question is, are you willing to take the risk? I’m personally not willing to take such a risk with regards to very high doses or permablasting unless I knew I had a shot at being one of the best in the world.
Dallas Mcarver has a total testosterone level of 55,000ng/dl in his autospy, he was likely on 10 grams+ of gear weekly to achieve such levels. A “death cycle” circulated supposedly detailing his pre contest cycle, however I took a look at it and decided it was likely BS as he wouldn’t be able to afford all the GH that was specified. Rich Piana also abused the SHIT out of everything, he died at like 48 or something. Some others come to mind but one cannot deny there is a higher prevelance of heart attacks in the bodybuilding community than the general populace, whether the overall mortality rate is higher, possibly not, tbe general populace has lots of health issues related to bad diets and sedentary lifestyles. however the prevelance of death from myocardial infarction or SCD is likely higher, as to how much higher I’m not sure
I would’ve guessed he cruised on more like a gram. 600 is not that high for a guy who competed at his level. I’ve seen higher, in various iron sports.
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I wish that more guys would post torso shots regarding their cruise lengths. It would be interesting to see what someone who cruises for 4 weeks looks like. Do your receptors reset properly in that time? Doesn’t seem long enough for me, but I hate being off longer.
No… four weeks isn’t even enough for many long acting compounds to even fully exit your system
Four weeks is not enough time to reset receptors. There is very little science available on the concept of androgen receptor downregulation (and whether receptors can be fully saturated and/or at what dose that would occur as it would infer a ceiling effect exists in response to dose escalations)
The zeitgiest is time on + pct (or time on + time for compounds to clear system) = time off. That’s the conservative approach…
For competitive bodybuilders, strength athletes etc obviously this doesn’t apply.
If you make money from your physique, you tend to take more risks…
Unfortunately this has carried over into the recreational bodybuilding world and now gymrats are running tren year round… grams upon grams of gear without really needing to etc.
It’s ideal to be using the minimum amount of something harmful that still allows you to achieve your goals
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Yea, media has fucked us up by showing us something professionals do, and now we major in the minors by doing the weird things professionals do, forgetting that we are not professionals.
Also, the drug use is high because we are being fed that if we work hard enough we can achieve anything which is a lie. Without the genetics, there is no program and no drug protocol that will make someone with crap genetics to look like he is bodybuilding at any level.
We really need a lot of truth being spread out about how actually 99% of people look while doing different sports, and then maybe we will not pump ourselves full of drugs and surgeries to look like those 1000 people on IG.
My GF was a good example when we started dating, she had the idea of fighters looking like they do in movies, but when she saw a real MMA class she was shocked about how the average fighter looks like any other average guy on the street. I had to explain that what she has seen are actors with perfect genetics on drugs, acting to fight, haha. She was thinking that MMA classes are full of Ivan Dragos and shit, lol.
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probably not enough time to create any meaningful change in my labs.
just enough time to give me acne from level fluctuations.
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