[quote]belligerent wrote:
How do you know you’re talking to Cthulhu?
When the person you’re talking to claims he knows how to cure cancer and actually believes that Kevin Trudeau is a legitimate health expert.
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HEY… i thought the joke was kinda funny, in a sick twisted sort of way.
But then again… i am sure that no one wants ME to find that funny, cause then it takes the effect away, but oh well…
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
“…I see…GAY…people…”[/quote]
Haha try living in DC they own 1/2 the city. That being said my best friend is gay and I must say they do nice work keeping the city clean and having great landscaping.
How can you hate the gays? You would be without 1/2 the great chefs, hair systlists, and artists in the world.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
OK, this is just getting silly. What kind of “antics” are you talking about? And do they differ somehow from something straight people do???[/quote]
How about this, I hate effeminate men (flip the coin for the opposite gender). Sex with men is the de facto effeminate act. The laundry list of other acts that fit the description is long, and my a disdain is a cumulative effect.
A flaming straight guy (metro) irritates me more than closeted guys and I think a vast majority of the members of this forum can grasp, if not wholly agree with that much of it. It’s not an out-and-out hatred of men taking part in homosexual acts but to act like the association is false is an distortion of reality.
Moreover, just because the association is not false does not mean it can’t be falsified, policies like “being in the closet” and “don’t ask, don’t tell” are established to do exactly that.
And like I said before, ask any gay/lesbian man/woman how they “know” they’re gay. You’ll get a general description of how they “feel” or their behavioral “preferences”. That is exactly the same way most “homophobes” “know” they’re right about gay sex.
The only difference is one group (or portion thereof) claims that they should be free to be superfluous and frivolous and that you shouldn’t be able to discriminate against them for it, or even talk about discriminating against them.
[quote]iscariot wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
He said what he thinks (admirable) and he said what I think most hetero men think as well, but can’t because of the PC police.
I didn’t see a lot of thought going into that statement of his; more accurate to say that he gave voice to his prejudices…
… and that’s cool; but it does completely remove any right he has to get pissy with someone else disrespecting him because he’s black [if we follow that line of logic]
The fear of the other is such a sad thing…
The thing that amused me most, however, was his…“I don’t want them in the locker room with me…”. Yes, that’s right a professional, gay basketball player is going to be spending his pre-game time in the locker room planning ways to ass-rape Hardaway instead of concentrating on his job…
I don’t like gay people either but don’t care unless they flaunt that shit in front of me or my kids. I don’t like flamers…
So what you’re saying that flaunting affection/ love etc is bad, huh? Or maybe, you don’t think gay people should be affectionate…cos, like, it’s different from straight affection…
Oh no…my kids might get some egalitarian attitudes and accept people for being people…run away, run away…
Of course, if you exhibit the same prohibitions with reference to non-gay displays of affection, then at least your consistent…sad…but consistent.
BTW: Why would most hetero men think this; surely they have better things to do with their time?[/quote]
Because don’t you know that you catch the gay virus if you are around gay people. It’s just like catching a cold.
That’s why most hetero men think the way they do. They don’t want to catch “the gay.”
[quote]Agent Frost wrote:
Eventually your kids and families will be exposed to “our kind”… whether its a teacher, a family friend, a childhood friend, a college room mate, a wrestling or football team mate (I dated the captian of our football and wrestling team in HS openly) or even an episode of some television series, in this day and age its inevitable.
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BAH! Run fer tha hills, the invasion has begun.
[quote]lucasa wrote:
How about this, I hate effeminate men (flip the coin for the opposite gender). Sex with men is the de facto effeminate act. The laundry list of other acts that fit the description is long, and my a disdain is a cumulative effect.
A flaming straight guy (metro) irritates me more than closeted guys and I think a vast majority of the members of this forum can grasp, if not wholly agree with that much of it. It’s not an out-and-out hatred of men taking part in homosexual acts but to act like the association is false is an distortion of reality.
Moreover, just because the association is not false does not mean it can’t be falsified, policies like “being in the closet” and “don’t ask, don’t tell” are established to do exactly that.
And like I said before, ask any gay/lesbian man/woman how they “know” they’re gay. You’ll get a general description of how they “feel” or their behavioral “preferences”. That is exactly the same way most “homophobes” “know” they’re right about gay sex.
The only difference is one group (or portion thereof) claims that they should be free to be superfluous and frivolous and that you shouldn’t be able to discriminate against them for it, or even talk about discriminating against them.[/quote]
So…what is your point?
[quote]lucasa wrote:
Kuz wrote:
OK, this is just getting silly. What kind of “antics” are you talking about? And do they differ somehow from something straight people do???
How about this, I hate effeminate men (flip the coin for the opposite gender). Sex with men is the de facto effeminate act. The laundry list of other acts that fit the description is long, and my a disdain is a cumulative effect.
A flaming straight guy (metro) irritates me more than closeted guys and I think a vast majority of the members of this forum can grasp, if not wholly agree with that much of it. It’s not an out-and-out hatred of men taking part in homosexual acts but to act like the association is false is an distortion of reality.
Moreover, just because the association is not false does not mean it can’t be falsified, policies like “being in the closet” and “don’t ask, don’t tell” are established to do exactly that.
And like I said before, ask any gay/lesbian man/woman how they “know” they’re gay. You’ll get a general description of how they “feel” or their behavioral “preferences”. That is exactly the same way most “homophobes” “know” they’re right about gay sex.
The only difference is one group (or portion thereof) claims that they should be free to be superfluous and frivolous and that you shouldn’t be able to discriminate against them for it, or even talk about discriminating against them.[/quote]
Actually when heteros ask me how i know i am gay… i ask them to explain to me exactly how they know they are straight.
[quote]Easy E wrote:
chillain wrote:
Easy E wrote:
First off, I hate basketball. Give me a sport where you can knock a guys head off if he comes in contact with the ball/puck.
I bet you’re just dismissing the game because you’re not athletic enough or skilled enough to play decent basketball. High-level hoops is a lot more physical than you seem to think.
Yea your right. So instead I picked up a hockey stick and decided to play a sport that requires me to stand on skates, control a puck, and have enough awareness to make a play or avoid a hit in a fraction of a second. Man I suck.
On another topic, one of the examples TC made was about General Wesley Clark. Who was asked by someone how he would respond if President Push or the Democratic party questioned his patriotism or military background. He didnt know he was being recorded and responded with, “I’d beat the shit out of them.”
People demanded an apology so he said he was sorry and that he meant to say, “Id beat the LIVING shit out of them.”
(Atomic Dog, TC pg. 15)<–Didnt want to piss anyone off.[/quote]
Not a Wesley Clark fan. His crazy eyes scare me but I love that quote.
Also Hardaway is a fucking asshole.
[quote]dre wrote:
Agent Frost wrote:
Eventually your kids and families will be exposed to “our kind”… whether its a teacher, a family friend, a childhood friend, a college room mate, a wrestling or football team mate (I dated the captian of our football and wrestling team in HS openly) or even an episode of some television series, in this day and age its inevitable.
BAH! Run fer tha hills, the invasion has begun.[/quote]
You do realize that i was placed here and in my gym to recruit dont you??? I mean 2 more i get a nifty toaster over and a George Foreman standing grill!
Wanna hear my recruitment pitch.
“Be Gay… You have no rights and everybody hates you! Come live in my personal hell… with Madonna!”
[quote]lucasa wrote:
Kuz wrote:
OK, this is just getting silly. What kind of “antics” are you talking about? And do they differ somehow from something straight people do???
How about this, I hate effeminate men (flip the coin for the opposite gender). Sex with men is the de facto effeminate act. The laundry list of other acts that fit the description is long, and my a disdain is a cumulative effect.
A flaming straight guy (metro) irritates me more than closeted guys and I think a vast majority of the members of this forum can grasp, if not wholly agree with that much of it. It’s not an out-and-out hatred of men taking part in homosexual acts but to act like the association is false is an distortion of reality.
Moreover, just because the association is not false does not mean it can’t be falsified, policies like “being in the closet” and “don’t ask, don’t tell” are established to do exactly that.
And like I said before, ask any gay/lesbian man/woman how they “know” they’re gay. You’ll get a general description of how they “feel” or their behavioral “preferences”. That is exactly the same way most “homophobes” “know” they’re right about gay sex.
The only difference is one group (or portion thereof) claims that they should be free to be superfluous and frivolous and that you shouldn’t be able to discriminate against them for it, or even talk about discriminating against them.[/quote]
Now THAT is just glaringly nelly isnt it. I mean… disco balls, poppers, and all!!!
[quote]Kuz wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why is it sad to ask others to keep their antics at home? People should have a little dignity and privacy. We are humans, not animals roaming a forest.
OK, this is just getting silly. What kind of “antics” are you talking about? And do they differ somehow from something straight people do???[/quote]
I am just as uncomfortable seeing straight people fool around as I am seeing gay people fool around in public.
[quote]Agent Frost wrote:
dre wrote:
Agent Frost wrote:
Eventually your kids and families will be exposed to “our kind”… whether its a teacher, a family friend, a childhood friend, a college room mate, a wrestling or football team mate (I dated the captian of our football and wrestling team in HS openly) or even an episode of some television series, in this day and age its inevitable.
BAH! Run fer tha hills, the invasion has begun.
You do realize that i was placed here and in my gym to recruit dont you??? I mean 2 more i get a nifty toaster over and a George Foreman standing grill!
Wanna hear my recruitment pitch.
“Be Gay… You have no rights and everybody hates you! Come live in my personal hell… with Madonna!”
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LOL. You might want to think about changing that recruiting pitch. It’s a tad depressing.
You should change it to something like, “Be Gay…You’ll have terrific hair and a great fashion sense.”
Oh and maybe you could mention something about free puppies for joining.
[quote]Agent Frost wrote:
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HOWEVER i will say that i find it reprehensible and disgusting for str8 teens and 20somethings to be performing virtual live sex shows at Bob Evan’s or the movie theater just because its socially acceptable for them to do so!
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Exactly. The rest of your post was spot on too but can we please do something about these people sucking face in public! I am trying to eat!
[quote]Agent Frost wrote:
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You do realize that i was placed here and in my gym to recruit dont you??? I mean 2 more i get a nifty toaster over and a George Foreman standing grill!
Wanna hear my recruitment pitch.
“Be Gay… You have no rights and everybody hates you! Come live in my personal hell… with Madonna!”
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Try Rainjack. I think he dresses like the cowboy in te Village People.
Now if you will excuse me I have to get ready to go to the YMCA in an hour…
I also wanna say this in refernce to the comment about locker rooms and being in there with us 'mos.
From the second i walk into the gym and into the locker room i look straight ahead, with a mean ass look on my face too, and go right to a locker. I dont look at any one, i dont check anyone out… in fact, its like what they say about a cobra, its more scared of you then you are of it!
I HATE being in the locker room. Absolutely HATE it. Im ALWAYS figuratively looking over my shoulder because i am worried some ignorant fool is going to think i was checking them out and just attack me (not that i cant handle myself in that situation but still).
I go in put my stuff up, maybe change to swim after i lift, maybe shower… who knows but im more concerned about whether i am walking too much like Syndey Bristow then i am about who’s in the locker room flexing in front of the mirrors. Im CONSTANTLY hoping that my tattoos and scowl and comic book character ripped up t-shirt is enough to detract from the fact that i am queer.
And the funny thing is, unless I talk, theres no was in hell you’d be able to tell i was a big f@g. And i dont talk at the gym… unless it is 100% necessary! Thats not what i am there for.
I had my face blasted in when i was 13 for being gay… that was when i decided that wasnt ever going to happen to me again. So naturally i learned how to handle myself but whatever.
I get it that gay guys check out straight guys all the time… kinda like how u married guys check out other chicks, you know u cant have em (or shouldnt) but u still admire them. Maybe i am different. Im at the gym and i am there for a reason, screw the rest of you and how u look.
Sure i may notice a particular guy and how well he’s built, but admit it str8s you do to. I certainly notice tattoos and how well, or not well, they are done on both men and woman. I may be the exception to the rule of gay guys, but who cares… im still one of them.
At least from MY point of view i assume ALL men are str8 at the gym. I am not gonna risk getting my face blasted in again because someone ELSE is assuming something about me.
I can speak only for myself when i say that a lot of what gay men do annoys me. the little girly boys in their Abercrombie and their emo hair cuts with limp wrists prancing about in MAC make up and things… sure i just wanna shake them, REAL HARD, and say “Thank you… thank you for setting us homo’s back 50 years”. But they are who they are, and they deserve to be that i guess…
::steps down off of his soap box and quietly, with a not so mean ass look on his face, sits back at his desk::
Hardaway’s apology is damn near as convincing as Tyrus Thomas’s was after saying he was only in the slam dunk contest for the 10K.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Agent Frost wrote:
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HOWEVER i will say that i find it reprehensible and disgusting for str8 teens and 20somethings to be performing virtual live sex shows at Bob Evan’s or the movie theater just because its socially acceptable for them to do so!
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Exactly. The rest of your post was spot on too but can we please do something about these people sucking face in public! I am trying to eat![/quote]
Well, maybe you should suck face with whatever it is you are eating?
Make love to it, moan, groan, smack your lips, talk dirty to it, all the while staring at the people who are suckin’ face.
That’ll learn’em.
[quote]dre wrote:
Agent Frost wrote:
dre wrote:
Agent Frost wrote:
Eventually your kids and families will be exposed to “our kind”… whether its a teacher, a family friend, a childhood friend, a college room mate, a wrestling or football team mate (I dated the captian of our football and wrestling team in HS openly) or even an episode of some television series, in this day and age its inevitable.
BAH! Run fer tha hills, the invasion has begun.
You do realize that i was placed here and in my gym to recruit dont you??? I mean 2 more i get a nifty toaster over and a George Foreman standing grill!
Wanna hear my recruitment pitch.
“Be Gay… You have no rights and everybody hates you! Come live in my personal hell… with Madonna!”
LOL. You might want to think about changing that recruiting pitch. It’s a tad depressing.
You should change it to something like, “Be Gay…You’ll have terrific hair and a great fashion sense.”
Oh and maybe you could mention something about free puppies for joining.
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OH MISS THING!!!
You need to come out to the bars with me someday.
It KILLS me when chicks are like “MAN its a shame u are gay… gay guys are always so hot and they dress well and they can dance… blah blah blah”
I look at them like they are utter stupid and wonder what gay bars THEY are going to!
I cant dress to save my life. Jeans (Old Navy to boot) and a t-shirt with some band or comic book character on it, usually with no sleeves, is fine for me… my hair is a wreck, mainly cause i am weird and have a tattoo down the back of my skull which is hard to cut around…
And as far as puppies… i hate dogs. Give me my cali king, my python, and my scorpion any day!
::Snaps his fingers::
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Agent Frost wrote:
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HOWEVER i will say that i find it reprehensible and disgusting for str8 teens and 20somethings to be performing virtual live sex shows at Bob Evan’s or the movie theater just because its socially acceptable for them to do so!
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Exactly. The rest of your post was spot on too but can we please do something about these people sucking face in public! I am trying to eat![/quote]
I was catching the bus to my local YMCA the other morning and as soon as I turned the corner I saw two females with the combined weight over 500+ sucking face at the bus stop. It made me want to puke right then and there.
The worst thing was when I was done working out I crossed the street to Mcdonalds for some breakfast burritos and there was one of them whipping up the food. I turned around and walked out never to return to fast food again.
I’m with Tim. Atleast someone had the balls to say it, wether he backed it up or not.
We are all products of or environment. I was fortunate to grow up with enlightened parents. In another time a place, I probably would’ve grown up to hate black and gay people too. I have friends who do.
I think what it takes is some kind of shattering event to shake you to your core a little for people to overcome such biases. Or meeting one gay person they really like and become friends with to reveal to them that it’s irrational to hate an entire people for an act you really disapprove of that is part of the core or their being and they really can’t help. Hardaway is entitled to his beliefs.
It’s difficult to overcome ignorance when you were raised a certain way. But he’s an idiot for voicing this publically. The world, at large, doesn’t accept such views anymore. Anymore than it would accept someone saying they hate black people. He also deserves to look like a fool and be panned for his disingenuous apology. He should’ve let it stand on its own.