Tim Hardaway Bashes Gays, Apologizes

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Agent Frost wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
He apologised for saying what he said, but not for how he feels.

He probably is sorry for saying it. The apology would be consistent with the act, and technicaly, good.

What people are holding against him is how he feels about gays. You probably whon’t get an apology for that.

It is a lot harder to apologise for how you feel than for what you did.

Again… stand behind your convictions. If you say something ABOUT how you feel in a forum that will garner you attention, either positive OR negative, then don’t turn around and apologize for saying it because you potentially damaged yourself in our PC society.

I could care less if he hates gays. There are times when i hate gays (quiet!), and i certainly wouldn’t attack someone because they hate gays. I will, again, however attack someone who says something then is to full of cowardice to stand behind what they said.

Well, I guess the distinction that I’m seeing him draw in that article is that he apologised for saying what he said, as in “I should not have said that”.

If he is not sorry for how he feels, which he hasn’t apologised for, then his integrity is intact.

A person can be an asshole and exist with their integrity intact, as long as they are consistently an asshole.

Would your opinion of him be any different if his response to public outcry was “I don’t care what people think, that is how I feel.” ?

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Yes, I would have more respect for him.

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Tim Hardaway wasn’t apologizing because he hates gays, he was apologizing because he expressed his opinion through a public media; there’s a difference.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
He said what he thinks (admirable) and he said what I think most hetero men think as well, but can’t because of the PC police.

I don’t like gay people either but don’t care unless they flaunt that shit in front of me or my kids. I don’t like flamers…[/quote]

Agreed. The “shouldn’t be in the world” part is skirting a line, but I can’t fault the guy for how he feels.

Funny how one person can sanctify their actions based on their feelings or preferences and another can be persecuted for speaking (not even acting) on their feelings and preferences, sometimes just for the way they feel.

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[quote]Easy E wrote:
First off, I hate basketball. Give me a sport where you can knock a guys head off if he comes in contact with the ball/puck.[/quote]

I bet you’re just dismissing the game because you’re not athletic enough or skilled enough to play decent basketball. High-level hoops is a lot more physical than you seem to think.

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[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Yeah, Little Penny was awesome, with Chris Rock’s voice.

PENNY!!! STOP THE CAR!! THAT WAS TYRA BANKS FOOL!![/quote]

“HEY TYRA, YOU LEFT YOUR TOOTHBRUSH AT MY HOUSE!”

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
He said what he thinks (admirable) and he said what I think most hetero men think as well, but can’t because of the PC police.[/quote]

I didn’t see a lot of thought going into that statement of his; more accurate to say that he gave voice to his prejudices…

… and that’s cool; but it does completely remove any right he has to get pissy with someone else disrespecting him because he’s black [if we follow that line of logic]

The fear of the other is such a sad thing…

The thing that amused me most, however, was his…“I don’t want them in the locker room with me…”. Yes, that’s right a professional, gay basketball player is going to be spending his pre-game time in the locker room planning ways to ass-rape Hardaway instead of concentrating on his job…

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I don’t like gay people either but don’t care unless they flaunt that shit in front of me or my kids. I don’t like flamers…[/quote]

So what you’re saying that flaunting affection/ love etc is bad, huh? Or maybe, you don’t think gay people should be affectionate…cos, like, it’s different from straight affection…

Oh no…my kids might get some egalitarian attitudes and accept people for being people…run away, run away…

Of course, if you exhibit the same prohibitions with reference to non-gay displays of affection, then at least your consistent…sad…but consistent.

BTW: Why would most hetero men think this; surely they have better things to do with their time?

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Didn’t he get the memo where it’s not ok to hate anything anymore?

Big deal if he hates gay people, who cares what he hates? He can hate whatever he wants. I hate old people who drive, and fat people and anything to do with women except for their vaginas (and boobs).

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[quote]chillain wrote:
Easy E wrote:
First off, I hate basketball. Give me a sport where you can knock a guys head off if he comes in contact with the ball/puck.

I bet you’re just dismissing the game because you’re not athletic enough or skilled enough to play decent basketball. High-level hoops is a lot more physical than you seem to think.

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Yea your right. So instead I picked up a hockey stick and decided to play a sport that requires me to stand on skates, control a puck, and have enough awareness to make a play or avoid a hit in a fraction of a second. Man I suck.

On another topic, one of the examples TC made was about General Wesley Clark. Who was asked by someone how he would respond if President Push or the Democratic party questioned his patriotism or military background. He didnt know he was being recorded and responded with, “I’d beat the shit out of them.”
People demanded an apology so he said he was sorry and that he meant to say, “Id beat the LIVING shit out of them.”

(Atomic Dog, TC pg. 15)<–Didnt want to piss anyone off.

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[quote]chillain wrote:
Easy E wrote:
First off, I hate basketball. Give me a sport where you can knock a guys head off if he comes in contact with the ball/puck.

I bet you’re just dismissing the game because you’re not athletic enough or skilled enough to play decent basketball. High-level hoops is a lot more physical than you seem to think.
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I love when someone comes out and makes a comment like this.

Hell, I dont play in the NFL, nor the NBA, nor the NHL… but that doesnt change the fact that I’d rather hip-check someone into the boards, or run at someone as fast as I can and hit them as hard as I can just because they’re the one holding the ball much, much more than try to toss a ball in a ring.

He never claimed to play better than the guy.

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I enjoy playing and watching basketball since I was a kid. I remember Tim Hardaway and how he always used to be a trash-talker on court. It’s a shame that he’s getting the spot light right now since the NBA allstar is this weekend. The commissioner, David Stern, is trying very hard to keep a clean image of the NBA and has banned Tim Hardaway from representing the NBA.

Anyways, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I think that when you exclude someone or something from your lack of ignorance, I think you limit yourself to grow as a person. I have some gay friends and they are real cool people. I’ve been to gay clubs and I have no problem, my friends introduce me to some of their girl-friends and we all have a good time.

I also agree that he really didn’t mean that he was sorry. I heard that radio interview and he sounded pretty strong about his opinions. I guess he’s trying to do the manly thing and say he is sorry.

jet

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[quote]iscariot wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
He said what he thinks (admirable) and he said what I think most hetero men think as well, but can’t because of the PC police.

I didn’t see a lot of thought going into that statement of his; more accurate to say that he gave voice to his prejudices…

… and that’s cool; but it does completely remove any right he has to get pissy with someone else disrespecting him because he’s black [if we follow that line of logic]

The fear of the other is such a sad thing…

The thing that amused me most, however, was his…“I don’t want them in the locker room with me…”. Yes, that’s right a professional, gay basketball player is going to be spending his pre-game time in the locker room planning ways to ass-rape Hardaway instead of concentrating on his job…

I don’t like gay people either but don’t care unless they flaunt that shit in front of me or my kids. I don’t like flamers…

So what you’re saying that flaunting affection/ love etc is bad, huh? Or maybe, you don’t think gay people should be affectionate…cos, like, it’s different from straight affection…

Oh no…my kids might get some egalitarian attitudes and accept people for being people…run away, run away…

Of course, if you exhibit the same prohibitions with reference to non-gay displays of affection, then at least your consistent…sad…but consistent.

BTW: Why would most hetero men think this; surely they have better things to do with their time?[/quote]

Why is it sad to ask others to keep their antics at home? People should have a little dignity and privacy. We are humans, not animals roaming a forest.

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to hate gay people is his perogative… he shouldn’t have offered his phony apology

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I do not believe he should have apologized. I also believe they shouldn’t have made such a big deal out of his statements. I’m pretty sure that some of the major organized religions are against gay people, yet when some retired basketball player says how he feels about them everyone gets in an uproar about it.

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How do you know you’re at a gay picnic?

All the hot dogs taste like shit.

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How do you know you’re talking to Cthulhu?

When the person you’re talking to claims he knows how to cure cancer and actually believes that Kevin Trudeau is a legitimate health expert.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Why is it sad to ask others to keep their antics at home? People should have a little dignity and privacy. We are humans, not animals roaming a forest.
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OK, this is just getting silly. What kind of “antics” are you talking about? And do they differ somehow from something straight people do???

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I agree with the OP that the apology was a farce. And at that point, he was already screwed: the apology certainly didn’t stop the NBA from cutting all ties with him. So, why apologize? At least have the courage to admit that what you said is how you really feel.

The really sad thing is that there are still a lot of people that feel the same way Tim Hardaway does.

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[quote]belligerent wrote:
How do you know you’re talking to Cthulhu?

When the person you’re talking to claims he knows how to cure cancer and actually believes that Kevin Trudeau is a legitimate health expert.
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Ahh, did I hit a hot spot? I had to help Tim out and bash some gays too. So, I had cancer once and cured it. What’s your point?

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[quote]Easy E wrote:
chillain wrote:
Easy E wrote:
First off, I hate basketball. Give me a sport where you can knock a guys head off if he comes in contact with the ball/puck.

I bet you’re just dismissing the game because you’re not athletic enough or skilled enough to play decent basketball. High-level hoops is a lot more physical than you seem to think.

Yea your right. So instead I picked up a hockey stick and decided to play a sport that requires me to stand on skates, control a puck, and have enough awareness to make a play or avoid a hit in a fraction of a second. Man I suck.
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Heh. Well since you put it that way, I’ll just take back my earlier assumption.

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[quote]Kuz wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why is it sad to ask others to keep their antics at home? People should have a little dignity and privacy. We are humans, not animals roaming a forest.

OK, this is just getting silly. What kind of “antics” are you talking about? And do they differ somehow from something straight people do???[/quote]

AGAIN i want to say that someone hating gay people (even though they say hate is wrong) is fine by me… Someone SAYING they hate gay people… great! Someone saying they hate gay people who really does, and then says sorry… well let me just say "I dont wanna hear.

I dont wanna know… please dont say you’re sorry… I’ve heard it all before." Good lord… grow some balls and stand up for what u believe, what you say, and hold yourself accountable. Hit the man hard enough in the bank acount and he just might just grab his ankles and be a star in the next big Falcon video B-Ball Gang Bang!

NOW as far as keeping our antics at home. Look, when i have a boyfriend i dont hold his hand at the mall, well at least not here in Columbus, Ohio, when i went to Miami it was a different story, and choose to do that out of respect for others.

HOWEVER i will say that i find it reprehensible and disgusting for str8 teens and 20somethings to be performing virtual live sex shows at Bob Evan’s or the movie theater just because its socially acceptable for them to do so!

Eventually your kids and families will be exposed to “our kind”… whether its a teacher, a family friend, a childhood friend, a college room mate, a wrestling or football team mate (I dated the captian of our football and wrestling team in HS openly) or even an episode of some television series, in this day and age its inevitable.

Whether they will have the respect for your family to not be blatantly sexual in front of your family is not something i can predict. But… will YOUR kids have the decency to not be blatantly sexual infront of the rest of the world?