Tiger Woods, Anti-Marriage Posterboy

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^ Nice input.

If you want to be REALLY honest, this is one of the things that cause men hold onto a sexist and chauvinistic ideology. We hear about all the women want to be treated as EQUALS, but then in the back of our minds we know that it JUST ISN’T SO. I think that alimony reform would make a HUGE difference in the way women are perceived in society and would be a MAJOR step in the right direction. You want equality? Put your money where your mouth is…

One a personal note, MY ex wife has a fucking MASTERS degree and I still had to pay alimony even though I don’t have a fucking high school diploma! How fucked up is that?

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
^ Nice input.

If you want to be REALLY honest, this is one of the things that cause men hold onto a sexist and chauvinistic ideology. We hear about all the women want to be treated as EQUALS, but then in the back of our minds we know that it JUST ISN’T SO. I think that alimony reform would make a HUGE difference in the way women are perceived in society and would be a MAJOR step in the right direction. You want equality? Put your money where your mouth is…[/quote]

Seems to me that this sort of thing just moves with the times rather than undergoing total reform. The compensation culture has grown to the point that you don’t even need to get married to get stung for a cut of your earnings (alimony has spawned palimony). Is it ideal? Not even close.

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One a personal note, MY ex wife has a fucking MASTERS degree and I still had to pay alimony even though I don’t have a fucking high school diploma! How fucked up is that? [/quote]

It is fucked up when you consider that it all started because divorce was forbidden and husbands were required to provide for their wives, as they pledged to do when they got married.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

Seems to me that this sort of thing just moves with the times rather than undergoing total reform. The compensation culture has grown to the point that you don’t even need to get married to get stung for a cut of your earnings (alimony has spawned palimony). Is it ideal? Not even close.[/quote]

It can’t move forward when even discussing it brings out all of the self righteous married people who act like everyone not thinking like them has a mental problem. Look at this thread. You had people from the start acting like I needed to be attacked personally based on what was stated.

From that site:

Which means alimony was instigated because women were seen as INFERIOR and needed a man to support them. There is no way in hell in the year 2010 that any woman who can work and has an education (I will cut some slack for “home makers” who for some reason avoided ever entering the work force) should be given this shit unless it is based on something like the wife helping the husband to build a business that makes him a substantial income. If he had funds when she came in, he should keep them on her way out.

However, if you even mention putting a monkey wrench ion that system with a prenupt, all of a sudden you are a materialistic man whore who can’t ever have a relationship because he doesn’t trust his wife…as if the lawyer in a divorce won’t push his client to go for as much as possible especially if they leave on bad terms.

I think this thread is a great example of how ass backwards some people are on the issue that you can’t even mention this without being judged in a negative light.

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I already told my wife if we ever get divorced, she gets half of all the debt and I change careers to ‘roadside bottle collector’ until she gets remarried.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I already told my wife if we ever get divorced, she gets half of all the debt and I change careers to ‘roadside bottle collector’ until she gets remarried.[/quote]

Well, it would seem like issues of debt or credit are things that shouldn’t be discussed when getting married…because it is all about the LOVE.

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I was talking to my lawyer friend who practises family law…

He was saying how any assets you had before getting married are untouchable. So if you own a house before getting married, she can’t touch it.

And prenups do generally hold up in court.

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Only the delusional are outraged motherfuckers for Tiger. Pull the tampon out, he is not bankrupt, he is not destitute.

The fuckhead knew he was a cheating mother fucker and did it anyways and he signed the fucking prenup.

Marriage is not a dead or dying idea, if you are a Tiger type person, tell your girlfriend before you get married.

Poor Little Tiger will be fine. He signed his prenup as an adult. He agreed to the stipulations. What a fucking idiot.

if you are going to fuck around, do not get married.

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[quote]on edge wrote:
I’d also like to say I don’t see what’s so hard about loving someone. I don’t mean faking it, I mean genuinely loving them. I mentioned I’ve have 7 long term relationships and I’d say I could have been perfectly happy with 5 of them. My wife is the best of them all but that was luck. The main reason I’m with her is timing. If the order had been shuffled I’d be with whoever i met after about the age of 25-26.

Everybody has flaws as well as good qualities. If you dwell on the flaws you end up hating them. If you focus more on their good qualities you keep loving them. All i need is someone who is smart, affectionate, good looking, generally a good person and respects me, and I will be happy. I don’t think it’s very hard to find those qualities in a woman.

People end up destroying each other over the silliest things that escalate to irreparable rifts. Very sad.[/quote]

Really, you consider them interchangeable? Wow. I had two long term relationships before meeting my husband, at which point I ended the other two, which were still somehow bubbling along as they had been off and on since I was 15 and 17 (one of them lived in my father’s state and one of them in my mother’s).

I would be long divorced if I’d married either of them, though I liked them both very well for different reasons.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
However, if you even mention putting a monkey wrench ion that system with a prenupt, all of a sudden you are a materialistic man whore who can’t ever have a relationship because he doesn’t trust his wife…as if the lawyer in a divorce won’t push his client to go for as much as possible especially if they leave on bad terms.

I think this thread is a great example of how ass backwards some people are on the issue that you can’t even mention this without being judged in a negative light. [/quote]

X, it is your debate style that people attack, not the idea of prenuptial agreements. You counter every attempt to respond to your questions or arguments with what comes across as screeching that people obviously can’t read or haven’t paid attention or didn’t understand. Meanwhile your own focus continually shifts. You might look back and notice that any time anyone has posted with negativity of any sort you have come in behind them to triumphantly crow that THAT is the point. But these posters are not making the SAME points.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I already told my wife if we ever get divorced, she gets half of all the debt and I change careers to ‘roadside bottle collector’ until she gets remarried.[/quote]

Well, it would seem like issues of debt or credit are things that shouldn’t be discussed when getting married…because it is all about the LOVE.[/quote]

PX, you are one cynical guy. The title of this thread says “Anti-Marriage Poster Boy”, not “Pro Pre-Nupt Poster Boy”. You come off as very anti-marriage and of course a lot of people are going to strongly disagree with that. Did anyone really disagree with what you said was you main point, protecting one’s assets before marriage with an appropriate legal document?

There are marriages and divorces that work out just fine, because the people involved in them are reasonable, mature and don’t want to waste their lives being bitter. That includes people with accumulated wealth. Honestly, if I ever have to protect my assets before marriage, I’d hope the person I am getting married to would comprehend the idea that the assets I have going in are mine, and his are his. If not, then I’d be making a huge mistake going forward with the marriage.

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And regarding celebs, just my opinion. Yes I flip thru all those mags, it’s part of my job.

Tiger, well he fucked up. If you like to screw around, why get married to start with? Who really cares, they’ll both have enough money for a few lifetimes anyways and I’m sure he learned his lesson about the costs of infidelity.

As for her blabbing to the news, she’s damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t, being a celeb and all. Look at Jennifer Anniston, she’s never said anything about the break-up of her marriage, and 7 some odd years later the media is still speculating about her divorce. If she makes some stupid ass movie about having kids, the media links it to her divorce. Every interview comes back to her and her ex. Come to think of it, I’d say considering what a poor actress she is, she has profited more from keeping an air of mystery about her. Elin says this interview was a one shot deal, if that is the truth I really can’t blame her. Maybe she is hoping the media will just leave her alone now. Anyways, if she really wanted to profit from her divorce, she’d have a talk show by now.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I already told my wife if we ever get divorced, she gets half of all the debt and I change careers to ‘roadside bottle collector’ until she gets remarried.[/quote]

Well, it would seem like issues of debt or credit are things that shouldn’t be discussed when getting married…because it is all about the LOVE.[/quote]

I tried to pay the mortgage with “love” one time. Guess what happened…

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Really? I’m sorry to hear that Steely. Not long ago I offered the same to my banker and he was all for it…

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I haven’t had time to read this entire thread but I get the jist.
I’m not married, haven’t been and don’t intend to be.
I believe that the laws which are so heavily in the woman’s favor need to be reformed asap, I’ve seen tons of my friends screwed over children.

Time to throw the cat amongst the pigeons LOL

Here’s some facts taken from ‘the professional bachelor’ by Dr Brett Tate (the asset protection chapter)

Fact: the NFL had to give players deception training to stop money grabbing whores getting into their wallets by suing them for rape after sex, for getting 'accidently pregnant after a one night stand etc
Fact: there were 1,182,000 divorces in the US in 2001, approximately 45 billion dollars were transfered from men to women (more than any other industry, and divorce sure is an industry, plenty of women will never have to work after a divorce, nor did they work during their marriage and can continue to remarry and divorce at will.
Fact: women initiated 75% of these divorces

Does ANYONE KNOW a man who has left a divorce with more than he went in with?

Let the flaming begin…

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[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I haven’t had time to read this entire thread but I get the jist.
I’m not married, haven’t been and don’t intend to be.
I believe that the laws which are so heavily in the woman’s favor need to be reformed asap, I’ve seen tons of my friends screwed over children.

Time to throw the cat amongst the pigeons LOL

Here’s some facts taken from ‘the professional bachelor’ by Dr Brett Tate (the asset protection chapter)

Fact: the NFL had to give players deception training to stop money grabbing whores getting into their wallets by suing them for rape after sex, for getting 'accidently pregnant after a one night stand etc
Fact: there were 1,182,000 divorces in the US in 2001, approximately 45 billion dollars were transfered from men to women (more than any other industry, and divorce sure is an industry, plenty of women will never have to work after a divorce, nor did they work during their marriage and can continue to remarry and divorce at will.
Fact: women initiated 75% of these divorces

Does ANYONE KNOW a man who has left a divorce with more than he went in with?

Let the flaming begin… [/quote]

LOL!!

They can’t flame the truth, brother.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Really? I’m sorry to hear that Steely. Not long ago I offered the same to my banker and he was all for it…

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That must be one of the banks that went under because of poor lending practices.

Or, unless you mean when you said ‘love’ you meant ‘blow job’.

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[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I haven’t had time to read this entire thread but I get the jist.
I’m not married, haven’t been and don’t intend to be.
I believe that the laws which are so heavily in the woman’s favor need to be reformed asap, I’ve seen tons of my friends screwed over children.

Time to throw the cat amongst the pigeons LOL

Here’s some facts taken from ‘the professional bachelor’ by Dr Brett Tate (the asset protection chapter)

Fact: the NFL had to give players deception training to stop money grabbing whores getting into their wallets by suing them for rape after sex, for getting 'accidently pregnant after a one night stand etc
Fact: there were 1,182,000 divorces in the US in 2001, approximately 45 billion dollars were transfered from men to women (more than any other industry, and divorce sure is an industry, plenty of women will never have to work after a divorce, nor did they work during their marriage and can continue to remarry and divorce at will.
Fact: women initiated 75% of these divorces

Does ANYONE KNOW a man who has left a divorce with more than he went in with?

Let the flaming begin… [/quote]

I guess no one wants to discuss the topic when pesky facts get in the way.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I haven’t had time to read this entire thread but I get the jist.
I’m not married, haven’t been and don’t intend to be.
I believe that the laws which are so heavily in the woman’s favor need to be reformed asap, I’ve seen tons of my friends screwed over children.

Time to throw the cat amongst the pigeons LOL

Here’s some facts taken from ‘the professional bachelor’ by Dr Brett Tate (the asset protection chapter)

Fact: the NFL had to give players deception training to stop money grabbing whores getting into their wallets by suing them for rape after sex, for getting 'accidently pregnant after a one night stand etc
Fact: there were 1,182,000 divorces in the US in 2001, approximately 45 billion dollars were transfered from men to women (more than any other industry, and divorce sure is an industry, plenty of women will never have to work after a divorce, nor did they work during their marriage and can continue to remarry and divorce at will.
Fact: women initiated 75% of these divorces

Does ANYONE KNOW a man who has left a divorce with more than he went in with?

Let the flaming begin… [/quote]

I guess no one wants to discuss the topic when pesky facts get in the way.
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Was the topic the choice to get a pre-nuptial agreement or to bash marriage?

Most people have stated that an pre-nupt is a WISE choice if they have assets to protect.

Getting married or not is an individual choice PX, it’s not hard to see that you don’t think it’s a good idea. SO don’t ever do it! Someone else’s divorce and misery won’t effect you anyways. What is your goal here, to talk people out of entering into marriage? If so I hope you have a lot of time and patience because regardless of statistics, people will do it. Love is not a rational emotion, the best you can hope for is an honest, genuine person who you can share your life with. The desire to meet and marry that person won’t go away for most of us because of the possibility of getting hurt, emotionally or financially.

And I’m sorry about your Grandmother. I lost my dad a few weeks ago to it, and I agree it is hell.

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[quote]dianab wrote:

Was the topic the choice to get a pre-nuptial agreement or to bash marriage?
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Wait…so even though from the very beginning HIGHER INCOME HUSBANDS GETTING DIVORCED FROM WIVES WITH WAY LESS INCOME was distinguished, you and others still thought this thread was made to bash all marriage?

How does that even make sense to you?

The issue has always been wives taking more from husbands during a divorce especially when the guy is pulling in way more money.

This has now been proven through the history of the law itself, the experiences of several people on this site, and clear knowledge that men pay way more to women nationwide during a divorce.

The point was also that this woman has no problem tarnishing her children’s father’s name even further all while claiming that same publicity caused her HELL.

This was all explained in much detail…so why did you have such a problem following?

Most of the people responding do NOT make that much more than their spouse yet they keep arguing.

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Anybody who expects a very young, handsome, wealthy pro athlete to be faithful on the road is beyond naive.

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[quote]Enray wrote:
Anybody who expects a very young, handsome, wealthy pro athlete to be faithful on the road is beyond naive. [/quote]

They don’t. That is the same reason they cry rape after consensual sex. They are there for the money. They had a plan from the start…much like the topic of this thread.