[quote]alit4 wrote:
[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
Complicated? They made videos of the entire thing… what exactly is so complicated about it? Going back and forth between exercises, is that what tripped you up? lol
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agree 100%. just do what the big guy in the video does. hardly rocket science.[/quote]
Should I speak in a French-Canadian accent while yelling “up” to my lifting partner?.. OH you mean the OTHER big guy.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
If anything, his newer concepts put an end to the rigidity and over-calculation of things like warmup sets, timed rest intervals, garbage sets, and continuing to perform an exercise when you’re clearly shot.
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I totally agree. For some reason, I get the impression that a lot of people are missing this. It’s almost like the rigidity of most programs makes them feel safer. I teach high school kids, and let me tell you, I see an enormous number of kids these days who when given an open ended question, or an assignment that requires what we call ‘critical thinking’, they are completely lost. I guess there is a certain security in just regurgitating answers, or operating within a strictly limited series of guidelines. Unfortunately, these are more often than not, the students that fall right within the middle of the pack, never really excelling at much more than being test-takers. They never become the free-thinkers that actually make a noticeable difference. Similarly, I think it’s the I.B.B. program that will allow a smaller percentage of trainers to really exceed their former levels of accomplishments, and while many will progress somewhat, I think there will definitely be people either unable, or unwilling to follow it and achieve the gains they truly are capable of.
This is something that I don’t think I fully got until I had the chance to actually meet Christian. Obviously he loves training, and is ‘one of us’ in the truest sense. I know that the majority of my own training knowledge came from a selfish need to allow for my own progress. I figured that the more I knew, the better my training would be. When I would stumble upon some odd study, or article online (like when I first found testosterone.com almost 10 years ago), I would print it out, highlight it, and couldn’t wait to try out whatever new theory, concept, nutritional approach, you name it, that I had miraculously unearthed. Thibs is one of those guys who has an almost childlike, giddy, need to learn as much as he can. Lucky for us (and hopefully more people will realize this), whatever deal he’s got worked out with Tim, it allows us free access to his writing. Whether you love the Biotest supplements (which I admittedly do), or you think everything on here is one big marketing scam (seriously guys, get over it), you’d have to be an idiot to not realize how much free info you get on this damn site… and yes, Christin is a damn humble guy considering how much the man has achieved, and the following he has earned.
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I agree with all of this. CT seems like a really great guy who just is a complete geek for training, the guy spends all day in his forum answering questions, he writes the best articles, and no one HAS to pay a dime for any of it.
I am sure Biotest pays him very well, which he deserves, and yes, if we take his advice and buy supplements then we are kind of paying him in a roundabout way, but he is not a guy who asks for 200 dollars for online consulting on 40 dollars for an ebook, he puts his information here, where everybody can see.
Second, for Gods sake everyone, STOP BITCHING ABOUT MARKETING, it is a website payed for by supplement sales. They have tons of stuff you don’t have to pay for that don’t have anything to do with selling supplements; very well functioning forums, plenty of articles that have nothing to do with supplements, etc.
the concepts and methodologies, particularly the explosiveness and then controlled portion of the movements. utilizing the rack as rest/recuperation tool seems to help promote explosion.
while i’m not at a point whereby this training is for me yet, focusing on contraction and explosion is a key aspect to help w/ growth. chasing #'s an PR’s is great but flushing sets, pump sets, burnout sets what ever you want to name them, are great closers for me after the heavy work is done. the explosive methods and control aspect of CT’s stuff is what i’m stealing for my cap for now.
everything in BB is likely a recapitulation of a previous concept but CT adds a spin and methods which are very useful, innovative for what they are/represent. for me i need to operate a bit less cerebral to promote intensity, e.g. ipod loud, mouth gasping for air and gulping water between sets, staring out at the invisible ghosts who walk in between the other people co-inhabiting my space at the gym.
like CT and Tim have said numerous times, the program itself is the LEAST important part of the I,Bodybuilder concept. learning how to rep properly, regulate your training, ramp up properly etc. like all the big guys do already.
[quote]alit4 wrote:
like CT and Tim have said numerous times, the program itself is the LEAST important part of the ibodybuilder concept. learning how to rep properly, regulate your training, ramp up properly etc. like all the big guys do already.[/quote]
Not to mention the super-duper supps.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
you’d have to be an idiot to not realize how much free info you get on this damn site…
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Amen. the forums and archives are a goldmine
If CT is so awesome why doesn’t he just snap his fingers and make us all HYOOOOGEEEEE!!!
Take away the name and does that really look like a HYPERTROPHY program?
Yeah, I understand the whole fixation with hypertrophy “only” being the 6-12 rep range is a bit ludicrous…but so is the opposite. Really? I thought only Powerlifters couldn’t count to 10…
That being said. I bet most of the dudes in the gym banging out the program are going to see progress BECAUSE they’ve probably done nothing but reps in the 6-12 range for an eon or two.
Alan
Seems cool and the videos and whole interactive web piece is pretty awesome.
Whether its the second coming or not or just another very good program remains to be seen but with the amount of people creating logs and jumping on board i assume we will have a HUGE selection of before and afters to see.
Looks like a good intensification program to do after a volume approach.
Seems to be just an awesome culmination (with videos) of all the free info that’s in the forums (as promised!). It looks great, and while I’m not currently lifting/training exactly with the same program, the concepts, I am using (perfect rep, auto-regulation, a lot different ramping methods). It’ all instinctual and I’ve yet to have a shitty workout using these methods.
If I blow away my previous level of conditioning, and eventually size (currently cutting, then bulking starting in early April), then I’d have to hand it to the program (and all the other free info and great supps this site puts out that’s helping me along the way). Until that time though, that’s just my $0.02, so take it for what it’s worth.
BT
WWKD
What Would Kaz Do?
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
Take away the name and does that really look like a HYPERTROPHY program?
Yeah, I understand the whole fixation with hypertrophy “only” being the 6-12 rep range is a bit ludicrous…but so is the opposite. Really? I thought only Powerlifters couldn’t count to 10…
That being said. I bet most of the dudes in the gym banging out the program are going to see progress BECAUSE they’ve probably done nothing but reps in the 6-12 range for an eon or two.
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Without the all-out blast set at the end of the ramp where you’d get several reps or so, I’d say no. That’s the key part of the program that makes it hypertrophy specific. Also, the squeezes and holds (e.g. cable row) helps tremendously with hypertrophy.
Having said that though, even if you took those elements out, it would still be a GREAT strength program to do occasionally (as you mentioned with the guys who only do reps in the 6-12 range).
It looks interesting. I’ll keep reading about the program.
I would like to see how it can be catered to precontest training though
i already commit to it 100%
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
Take away the name and does that really look like a HYPERTROPHY program?
Yeah, I understand the whole fixation with hypertrophy “only” being the 6-12 rep range is a bit ludicrous…but so is the opposite. Really? I thought only Powerlifters couldn’t count to 10…
That being said. I bet most of the dudes in the gym banging out the program are going to see progress BECAUSE they’ve probably done nothing but reps in the 6-12 range for an eon or two.
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Without the all-out blast set at the end of the ramp where you’d get several reps or so, I’d say no. That’s the key part of the program that makes it hypertrophy specific. Also, the squeezes and holds (e.g. cable row) helps tremendously with hypertrophy.
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IMO, the exact opposite is true. The program would work very well for hypertrophy even without the all-out set. This set is the least important of all the sets performed and it probably just stimulates hypertrophy via another pathway than the other sets do.
Before I moved to bodybuilding, I competed in power lifting competitions. Many of my training partners never went over 3 reps and they all were pretty massive. Much more massive than all the other guys in our gym doing lots of conventional hypertrophy work.
Heck, I gained 60 within 3 years doing nothing but very heavy lifting.
I believe low, explosive reps and ultra-high forces (acceleration of heaviest possible weight) recruits type IIb fibers the best, and those have the highest growth potential. It’s just very difficult to properly recruit them, sets with too little weight and too low forces just won’t do.
Doing the low rep sets (and the low rep sets only) correctly, most people will make great gains in both strength and size with a program like this.
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
Take away the name and does that really look like a HYPERTROPHY program?
Yeah, I understand the whole fixation with hypertrophy “only” being the 6-12 rep range is a bit ludicrous…but so is the opposite. Really? I thought only Powerlifters couldn’t count to 10…
That being said. I bet most of the dudes in the gym banging out the program are going to see progress BECAUSE they’ve probably done nothing but reps in the 6-12 range for an eon or two.
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I think you’ve gotta ask yourself “What is a hypertrophy program?” Youve been led to believe that anything under 6 reps is mainly strength, and “optimal” size is going to be 6-12 reps, but this is not the case.
In one of CT’s recent articles, he mentioned some of his overall training principles, and one of the big ones was to do mainly sets of 5 reps or less.
I can attest to this type of training. I dont think its necessarily better for everyone, but for many people switching to less reps per set can make a huge difference.
I recently did this, and have no intention to go back to “hypertrophy workouts”.
Think of it this way. Is there a huge difference between 5x5 with 45 seconds between sets, and 3x8 with 60 seconds between sets. IME cutting down to lower reps allowed for more focus on good form, pushing hard and allowed me to start increasing my strength faster, which lead to increased mass.
Maybe not for everyone, but great for some.
It’s easy to see how people would defend that 6-12 rep range. CT has written of it in the past, in ‘Locked and loaded’ as between ‘functional/total hypertrophy’. Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION
Of course, he has grown, and learned, and admits this when he writes, which is cool.
[quote]ParagonA wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
Take away the name and does that really look like a HYPERTROPHY program?
Yeah, I understand the whole fixation with hypertrophy “only” being the 6-12 rep range is a bit ludicrous…but so is the opposite. Really? I thought only Powerlifters couldn’t count to 10…
That being said. I bet most of the dudes in the gym banging out the program are going to see progress BECAUSE they’ve probably done nothing but reps in the 6-12 range for an eon or two.
Alan[/quote]
Without the all-out blast set at the end of the ramp where you’d get several reps or so, I’d say no. That’s the key part of the program that makes it hypertrophy specific. Also, the squeezes and holds (e.g. cable row) helps tremendously with hypertrophy.
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IMO, the exact opposite is true. The program would work very well for hypertrophy even without the all-out set. This set is the least important of all the sets performed and it probably just stimulates hypertrophy via another pathway than the other sets do.
Before I moved to bodybuilding, I competed in power lifting competitions. Many of my training partners never went over 3 reps and they all were pretty massive. Much more massive than all the other guys in our gym doing lots of conventional hypertrophy work.
Heck, I gained 60 within 3 years doing nothing but very heavy lifting.
I believe low, explosive reps and ultra-high forces (acceleration of heaviest possible weight) recruits type IIb fibers the best, and those have the highest growth potential. It’s just very difficult to properly recruit them, sets with too little weight and too low forces just won’t do.
Doing the low rep sets (and the low rep sets only) correctly, most people will make great gains in both strength and size with a program like this.
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If that were true (that the low reps is all that is needed for OPTIMAL hypertrophy), why did CT put the “drop/blast set” in the program? There’s a reason, and it’s not to stimulate more strength…
okay then, why don’t you go do 6 weeks of your own program and then take b4 and after pics, so you can come back and prove that the iBB program is inferior.