Thoughts on My Daily Supplements?

Alright so this is what i do:

Wake up
some water
2-3000 iu vitamin d-3
Resvertol 3 capsules
multivitamin
fish oil 5g
200mg DHA
Vitamin B-complex
Co Q10 400mg

Then A breakfast
40g of protein
60-150g fast acting carbs
more water and coffee

mid morning
either Metabolic Drive complete and more water and coffee or low carb with milk

Pre work out
more water
and maybe Power Drive and a cup of coffee

Post workout
Metabolic Drive with some Grow! Bioactive Whey

Lunch i guess whatever is for dinner(work nights)
5g fish oil
200mg DHA

late night

beef jerky and protein bar

then comes a question should i have a shake then take ZMA and Z-12 or the other way around how much time between the two?

That was a drawn out question sorry, and how does my day look?

In regards to your day, more calories around your workout?

And take the ZMA prior to your shake, the zinc/magnesium can leave the stomach pretty fast when there is nothing else in there (maybe 30min?), the calcium and the shake will stay in the stomach much longer. So if the shake is consumed prior, it will ‘wait’ for the zinc and magnesium.

I personally like to take my vitamin D supplement with a fattier meal to ensure proper absorption.

Hey thanks for the input i will put it into consideration and see whats up. Thanks

I’ve read that coq10 isn’t particularly useful unless you’ve had a heart attack already.

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[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
Alright so this is what i do:

Wake up
some water
2-3000 iu vitamin d-3
Resvertol 3 capsules
multivitamin
fish oil 5g
200mg DHA
Vitamin B-complex
Co Q10 400mg

Then A breakfast
40g of protein
60-150g fast acting carbs
more water and coffee

mid morning
either Metabolic Drive complete and more water and coffee or low carb with milk

Pre work out
more water
and maybe Power Drive and a cup of coffee

Post workout
Metabolic Drive with some Grow! Bioactive Whey

Lunch i guess whatever is for dinner(work nights)
5g fish oil
200mg DHA

late night

beef jerky and protein bar

then comes a question should i have a shake then take ZMA and Z-12 or the other way around how much time between the two?

That was a drawn out question sorry, and how does my day look?
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seriously, whatever you do please avoid veggies and fruit at all cost.

[quote]thruxton45 wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
Alright so this is what i do:

Wake up
some water
2-3000 iu vitamin d-3
Resvertol 3 capsules
multivitamin
fish oil 5g
200mg DHA
Vitamin B-complex
Co Q10 400mg

Then A breakfast
40g of protein
60-150g fast acting carbs
more water and coffee

mid morning
either Metabolic Drive complete and more water and coffee or low carb with milk

Pre work out
more water
and maybe Power Drive and a cup of coffee

Post workout
Metabolic Drive with some Grow! Bioactive Whey

Lunch i guess whatever is for dinner(work nights)
5g fish oil
200mg DHA

late night

beef jerky and protein bar

then comes a question should i have a shake then take ZMA and Z-12 or the other way around how much time between the two?

That was a drawn out question sorry, and how does my day look?
[/quote]

seriously, whatever you do please avoid veggies and fruit at all cost.
[/quote]

I get your point. I do eat them, its automatic for me to eat them though, so i didnt list them.

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
Alright so this is what i do:

Then A breakfast
40g of protein
60-150g fast acting carbs
more water and coffee

[/quote]
You may want to consider the following which is found in one of the articles here, six_things_you_need_to_know_about_protein.

Everyone wants to know what the optimal dose of protein is, said Lowery. How much can you digest at once? Well, most people will say about 30 grams. But that’s usually based on a plausibility argument based around how much protein you should eat in a day broken down over six meals. Now we may know the actual answer to that question based on a new study.

This year, Tarnopolsky’s lab did a study (2) to examine the effect of how different dosages of egg protein powder affected protein synthesis rates. Researchers had healthy men who had previous weight training experience perform intense resistance exercise and consume an egg protein drink that contained either 5, 10, 20, or 40 grams of protein.

Basically, Lowery explained that researchers found that increasing protein intake stimulated protein synthesis in a dose dependent manner up to 20 grams of protein, after which there was no further increase in protein synthesis. In other words, forty grams didn’t stimulate protein synthesis greater than 20 grams.

Researchers speculated that consuming 20 grams of protein five or six times daily would be the optimal measure to increase anabolism and muscle mass.

Now, says Lowery, You may still want to eat more than that for volume purposes since you’ve got to eat something, but the answer to the question is 20 grams… at least with egg protein. And I bet we see different proteins tested over the next year.

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
Alright so this is what i do:

Wake up
some water
2-3000 iu vitamin d-3
Resvertol 3 capsules
multivitamin
fish oil 5g
200mg DHA
Vitamin B-complex
Co Q10 400mg

Then A breakfast
40g of protein
60-150g fast acting carbs
more water and coffee

mid morning
either Metabolic Drive complete and more water and coffee or low carb with milk

Pre work out
more water
and maybe Power Drive and a cup of coffee

Post workout
Metabolic Drive with some Grow! Bioactive Whey

Lunch i guess whatever is for dinner(work nights)
5g fish oil
200mg DHA

late night

beef jerky and protein bar

then comes a question should i have a shake then take ZMA and Z-12 or the other way around how much time between the two?

That was a drawn out question sorry, and how does my day look?
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no disrepect but you’re para-workout nutrition kinda sucks…

also how many calories are you consuming? what are your goals?

6000 IU of vitamin D seems excessive…

[quote]Griff14 wrote:
6000 IU of vitamin D seems excessive…[/quote]

Seems fine to me. 4-6000 is pretty common dose. Although it would be advisable to have your levels checked after a couple months of dosing like this. I wouldn’t dose that high if I spent time tanning, but for the winter it seems fine to me.

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:

[quote]Griff14 wrote:
6000 IU of vitamin D seems excessive…[/quote]

Seems fine to me. 4-6000 is pretty common dose. Although it would be advisable to have your levels checked after a couple months of dosing like this. I wouldn’t dose that high if I spent time tanning, but for the winter it seems fine to me.[/quote]

You might be right, and it could be a common dosage. I just thought it seemed excessive since the DRI’s are usually well under 1000 IU and a fat soluble vitamin like D, won’t be excreted in excess, it’ll become toxic. Basically, be cautious if you plan on supplementing that much. I personally only take 1-1000 IU pill in the morning and another before bed.

Without knowing what your goals are, there’s not much to say aside from the obvious - you have really expensive piss…

Seriously…

What I’m seeing is a huge outlay in supps that are only going to get you an added 10% once you’ve really bult a decent physique, and very, very, little quality eating all around…

[quote]Griff14 wrote:

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:

[quote]Griff14 wrote:
6000 IU of vitamin D seems excessive…[/quote]

Seems fine to me. 4-6000 is pretty common dose. Although it would be advisable to have your levels checked after a couple months of dosing like this. I wouldn’t dose that high if I spent time tanning, but for the winter it seems fine to me.[/quote]

You might be right, and it could be a common dosage. I just thought it seemed excessive since the DRI’s are usually well under 1000 IU and a fat soluble vitamin like D, won’t be excreted in excess, it’ll become toxic. Basically, be cautious if you plan on supplementing that much. I personally only take 1-1000 IU pill in the morning and another before bed. [/quote]

I’ve been taking 4-8000 daily for the past 3 months now with no known side effects. I take them before I work out too, seems to give me a energy boost, but that’s probably all in my head. Also, I live near Chicago which is why I take so much.

[quote]Grindylow wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
Alright so this is what i do:

Then A breakfast
40g of protein
60-150g fast acting carbs
more water and coffee

[/quote]
You may want to consider the following which is found in one of the articles here, six_things_you_need_to_know_about_protein.

Everyone wants to know what the optimal dose of protein is, said Lowery. How much can you digest at once? Well, most people will say about 30 grams. But that’s usually based on a plausibility argument based around how much protein you should eat in a day broken down over six meals. Now we may know the actual answer to that question based on a new study.

This year, Tarnopolsky’s lab did a study (2) to examine the effect of how different dosages of egg protein powder affected protein synthesis rates. Researchers had healthy men who had previous weight training experience perform intense resistance exercise and consume an egg protein drink that contained either 5, 10, 20, or 40 grams of protein.

Basically, Lowery explained that researchers found that increasing protein intake stimulated protein synthesis in a dose dependent manner up to 20 grams of protein, after which there was no further increase in protein synthesis. In other words, forty grams didn’t stimulate protein synthesis greater than 20 grams.

Researchers speculated that consuming 20 grams of protein five or six times daily would be the optimal measure to increase anabolism and muscle mass.

Now, says Lowery, You may still want to eat more than that for volume purposes since you’ve got to eat something, but the answer to the question is 20 grams… at least with egg protein. And I bet we see different proteins tested over the next year.
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Yeah i read that article too, i consume about 20 grams of fast acting whey hydroslyate and about 20 grams of micellar casein so i have actually reevaluated my protein intake per feeding. but yeah thanks for the reference. Actually i have probaly read all of Lowery’s acticles and interviews, and Beradi’s, Bowden’s and Shugarts articles in the last 2 weeks trying to catch up on what i missed and to refresh my memory. Thanks again man.

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
Alright so this is what i do:

Wake up
some water
2-3000 iu vitamin d-3
Resvertol 3 capsules
multivitamin
fish oil 5g
200mg DHA
Vitamin B-complex
Co Q10 400mg

Then A breakfast
40g of protein
60-150g fast acting carbs
more water and coffee

mid morning
either Metabolic Drive complete and more water and coffee or low carb with milk

Pre work out
more water
and maybe Power Drive and a cup of coffee

Post workout
Metabolic Drive with some Grow! Bioactive Whey

Lunch i guess whatever is for dinner(work nights)
5g fish oil
200mg DHA

late night

beef jerky and protein bar

then comes a question should i have a shake then take ZMA and Z-12 or the other way around how much time between the two?

That was a drawn out question sorry, and how does my day look?
[/quote]

no disrepect but you’re para-workout nutrition kinda sucks…

also how many calories are you consuming? what are your goals?[/quote]

My Goals are well…complicated i wanna lose some fat and gain about 5-6lbs of muscle to even out the low points. So yeah i am just doing this like i want. So yeah what would be great suggestion on Peri-workout nutrition?

I would suggest more carbs around your workout.

You cant live off protein supplements and coffee.

Fats?

Why fast carbs in the morning?

[quote]Mikael LS wrote:
I would suggest more carbs around your workout.

You cant live off protein supplements and coffee.

Fats?

Why fast carbs in the morning?[/quote]

agreed^^^…you would probably want to limit fast acting carbs to before/during the workout.

also i would say dont try to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. without dead-on
nutrition, recovery, programming, experience etc its gonna be pretty hard… unless you’re
still getting your beginner gains. i tried this for a year a got no where.

i’ve seen people say they’ve been able to lose fat and gain muscle using the ANACONDA protocol
but that depends if you want to spend that much. also you dont look like you have a lot of body
fat but for those who are 15% + (give or take) are able to lose fat and gain muscle to an extent.

EDIT: if you are going to try to lose fat/gain muscle simultaneously why not try the ANACONDA protocol and cut out all the other crap?

[quote]Griff14 wrote:

[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:

[quote]Griff14 wrote:
6000 IU of vitamin D seems excessive…[/quote]

Seems fine to me. 4-6000 is pretty common dose. Although it would be advisable to have your levels checked after a couple months of dosing like this. I wouldn’t dose that high if I spent time tanning, but for the winter it seems fine to me.[/quote]

You might be right, and it could be a common dosage. I just thought it seemed excessive since the DRI’s are usually well under 1000 IU and a fat soluble vitamin like D, won’t be excreted in excess, it’ll become toxic. Basically, be cautious if you plan on supplementing that much. I personally only take 1-1000 IU pill in the morning and another before bed. [/quote]

For what it’s worth, (don’t quote me on the exact #s) on a summer day a fair skinned person in the sun with most skin exposed can make something like 15,000 iu in 20 minutes or crazy like that. and that’s basically in line with the upper amount shown to be healthful. So you can tan everyday in full sun for 15 minutes. The tanning effect is a built in self check system with regards to getting too much vit D (think lifeguards). At the same time, if a lifeguard who worked outside all summer took 6,000 iu daily vit D, he’d likely be at a toxic or near toxic level if he took that amount during months he was exposed…

There’s a bunch of good threads on the subject on this website if you search for them. I use a tanning bed to get the majority of my vitamin D though, but I have taken 12,000 iu at a time (every other day or so) when i’m not getting any sun and I’m working inside all day, especially if it’s winter.

[quote]Mikael LS wrote:
I would suggest more carbs around your workout.

You cant live off protein supplements and coffee.

Fats?

Why fast carbs in the morning?[/quote]

Fast carbs in the morning, because through trial and error found my body responds better that way, but i cycle that with a fat meal every couple of days. I consume about 20-25 grams fish oil, and about 1-2 grams DHA and other fats, then whats in my solid meals. i like almonds they are a good snack and fill me up.