[quote]Edgy wrote:
this is a fine topic to discuss, but really - none of you meatheads have any fucking idea as to how the universe was created, or how the species have evolved.
you read one fucking book, and you’re sold on the idea, whether it be science or religion. and if you pull your own insignificant, ignorant opinions out of the equation, and see that there is either power or money involved on both sides - you’ll see that neither can remain exclusive of the other. the longer the debate lasts, the more money changes hands.
the Romans gave us circus and bread, and nowadays the give us science and religion.
but nobody will ever know, and the debate rages on.
we are but pawns in this universal chess game. and will remain so until the end of time.
so choose your religion, choose your gods and have at it.
besides, until you all realize that Odin created the realm as you know it, you are all doomed.[/quote]
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Well, pretty much every poll shows that around half of Americans flat out do not believe in evolution. That makes me want to vomit, so that should tell you where I stand.[/quote]
this is why I moved to Taiwan.
The girls are easier to score here because most of them accept evolution. no joke.[/quote]
[quote]paleotool wrote:
Evolution and observable science for me. Boring and unsatisfying for some people for some reason. Maybe some fear it because it puts the responsibility on yourself, not a mysterious being(s) somewhere else.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I don’t understand why creationism and evolution are deemed to be mutually exclusive.
One would seem to speak to how the universe came about and the other deals with successive changes in generations of populations.
Believing in evolution doesn’t mean that you don’t think a greater being started everything at T=0.
Believing in creationism doesn’t mean that you don’t believe that we are descended from apes.[/quote]
Ive never read the bible and I dont identify with an organized religion but even I know that Creationism says that God created man; not that God created Koko 30 million years prior to making the universe and everything else in it only to allow Koko to procreate and genetically adapt to maximize the chance to prosper based on external factors.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Well, pretty much every poll shows that around half of Americans flat out do not believe in evolution. That makes me want to vomit, so that should tell you where I stand.[/quote]
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Well, pretty much every poll shows that around half of Americans flat out do not believe in evolution. That makes me want to vomit, so that should tell you where I stand.[/quote]
Well, on the bright side, that is your competition when it comes to the better things in life, so there. [/quote]
But what if my potential employer is one of the 50% and asks me what I believe? Such a cruel, cruel world I live in.[/quote]
Remember that a job interview goes both ways.
Maybe he is not the right employer for you?[/quote]
I’d rather just start a business that is areligious, but then I’d be alienating a huge chunk of my customers. I doubt old Houstonguy marches around insulting Christianity in Texas, for example.
But yea, you’re right. I wouldn’t want to work for a fundamentalist by any means.[/quote]
HeavyTriple have you ever been to the Creation museum in Petersburg, KY?
Has anyone seen The Adjustment Bureau? Nothing to do with evolution but it’s another take on higher power.
Sort of cool and sort of cheesy. Interesting concept but they chose to appeal to the mainstream by emphasizing the love story instead of going with the power of omnipotence, IMO. Only 100 minutes long too, very watchable.
Oh it’s about to… You see the religious debate heating up, it’s only a matter of time. You already have some of the PWI regulars showing up in here and spouting off even though neither side will ever convince the other, people just like to talk to hear themselves talk.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I don’t understand why creationism and evolution are deemed to be mutually exclusive.
One would seem to speak to how the universe came about and the other deals with successive changes in generations of populations.
Believing in evolution doesn’t mean that you don’t think a greater being started everything at T=0.
Believing in creationism doesn’t mean that you don’t believe that we are descended from apes.[/quote]
Ive never read the bible and I dont identify with an organized religion but even I know that Creationism says that God created man; not that God created Koko 30 million years prior to making the universe and everything else in it only to allow Koko to procreate and genetically adapt to maximize the chance to prosper based on external factors.
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Your understanding is but one interpretation of creationism. Broadly, creationism maintains that a god created heaven and earth. There are narrower interpretations that certainly garner more attention (think homo sapiens riding dinos), and they tend to be biblical literalists, however, they do not have sole claim on the title of “creationist”.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Oh it’s about to… You see the religious debate heating up, it’s only a matter of time. You already have some of the PWI regulars showing up in here and spouting off even though neither side will ever convince the other, people just like to talk to hear themselves talk.[/quote]
In all honesty, it’s actually been pretty tame by PWI standards.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Evolution is absolutely a fact.
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Whilst I am definitely in the Evolution camp, I don’t think you can say Evolution is absolute fact. You can say that it is highly likely that evolution occurred/is still occurring, however it is still a theory, not a certainty.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Evolution is absolutely a fact.
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Whilst I am definitely in the Evolution camp, I don’t think you can say Evolution is absolute fact. You can say that it is highly likely that evolution occurred/is still occurring, however it is still a theory, not a certainty.
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I’m fairly certain it has been observed on certain bacteria before. That doesn’t prove evolution is real?
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Evolution is absolutely a fact.
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Whilst I am definitely in the Evolution camp, I don’t think you can say Evolution is absolute fact. You can say that it is highly likely that evolution occurred/is still occurring, however it is still a theory, not a certainty.
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I’m fairly certain it has been observed on certain bacteria before. That doesn’t prove evolution is real?[/quote]
He’s talking about absolute certainty which is nothing more than a red herring.
You can’t be absolutely certain about ANYTHING. You can’t be absolutely certain the chair you’ve sat in 99,999 times previously will not collapse under you on the 100,000 time you sit down.
In the physical world, in terms of things relative to us, Evolution is a fact.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Evolution is absolutely a fact.
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Whilst I am definitely in the Evolution camp, I don’t think you can say Evolution is absolute fact. You can say that it is highly likely that evolution occurred/is still occurring, however it is still a theory, not a certainty.
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I’m fairly certain it has been observed on certain bacteria before. That doesn’t prove evolution is real?[/quote]
He’s talking about absolute certainty which is nothing more than a red herring.
You can’t be absolutely certain about ANYTHING. You can’t be absolutely certain the chair you’ve sat in 99,999 times previously will not collapse under you on the 100,000 time you sit down.
In the physical world, in terms of things relative to us, Evolution is a fact.
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Agreed. I guess I’m just being petty arguing semantics. But it is not ‘absolutely a fact.’
Saying that I largely consider it to be a better explanation then anything else that has been offered.
