[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Well, pretty much every poll shows that around half of Americans flat out do not believe in evolution. That makes me want to vomit, so that should tell you where I stand.[/quote]
Well, on the bright side, that is your competition when it comes to the better things in life, so there.
I believe in creationism and evolution.Both are pretty glaringly obvious imo.
Some of us are more evolved than others.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Well, pretty much every poll shows that around half of Americans flat out do not believe in evolution. That makes me want to vomit, so that should tell you where I stand.[/quote]
Well, on the bright side, that is your competition when it comes to the better things in life, so there. [/quote]
But what if my potential employer is one of the 50% and asks me what I believe? Such a cruel, cruel world I live in.
I don’t understand why creationism and evolution are deemed to be mutually exclusive.
One would seem to speak to how the universe came about and the other deals with successive changes in generations of populations.
Believing in evolution doesn’t mean that you don’t think a greater being started everything at T=0.
Believing in creationism doesn’t mean that you don’t believe that we are descended from apes.
Evolution= pretty much a lie… truth is a couple thousand years ago annunaki came here, genetically modified what you call cave man and created a slave race (all of us living in a corporate world run by them until there ultimate goal is achieved) that’s the missing link in humanity
flame away
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Well, pretty much every poll shows that around half of Americans flat out do not believe in evolution. That makes me want to vomit, so that should tell you where I stand.[/quote]
this is why I moved to Taiwan.
The girls are easier to score here because most of them accept evolution. no joke.
Evolution and observable science for me. Boring and unsatisfying for some people for some reason. Maybe some fear it because it puts the responsibility on yourself, not a mysterious being(s) somewhere else.
I’m going to do 200 pushups now.
Evolution doesn’t disprove a creator. It sure disproves and invalidates Christianity though.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Evolution is absolutely a fact.
Whether or not humans, as we are today, evolved from (apes) is what is debatable.
And in that regard, I honestly doubt we’ll ever find that missing link. Probably because we were genetically modified by an alien race.[/quote]
found the link
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Well, pretty much every poll shows that around half of Americans flat out do not believe in evolution. That makes me want to vomit, so that should tell you where I stand.[/quote]
Well, on the bright side, that is your competition when it comes to the better things in life, so there. [/quote]
But what if my potential employer is one of the 50% and asks me what I believe? Such a cruel, cruel world I live in.[/quote]
Remember that a job interview goes both ways.
Maybe he is not the right employer for you?
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Evolution doesn’t disprove a creator. It sure disproves and invalidates Christianity though.
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Not really. I was put through 12 years of Catholic school, and evolution was taught as fact. As far as I know the Catholic church accepts evolution. Evolution only invalidates closed-minded sects of Christianity that insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible. In that respect, evolution invalidates the tenents of any religion that insists on a literal interpretation of their creation story, and they all have them.
Like people in here have already said, evolution and God are not mutually exclusive and they don’t need to be. But people are defensive and feel attacked at even the slightest dig at their religion, so they hunker down and dig in for a side that they don’t necessarily agree with. It’s basic psychology to fight the hardest and loudest for the things that are the most lacking in supporting evidence, because on some level we know that our arguments are weak in those situations.
I’m not religious, but guys like your boy Hitchens there are (were) excessively disdainful.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Well, pretty much every poll shows that around half of Americans flat out do not believe in evolution. That makes me want to vomit, so that should tell you where I stand.[/quote]
Well, on the bright side, that is your competition when it comes to the better things in life, so there. [/quote]
But what if my potential employer is one of the 50% and asks me what I believe? Such a cruel, cruel world I live in.[/quote]
Remember that a job interview goes both ways.
Maybe he is not the right employer for you?[/quote]
I’d rather just start a business that is areligious, but then I’d be alienating a huge chunk of my customers. I doubt old Houstonguy marches around insulting Christianity in Texas, for example.
But yea, you’re right. I wouldn’t want to work for a fundamentalist by any means.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Evolution doesn’t disprove a creator. It sure disproves and invalidates Christianity though.
1.[/quote]
Not really. I was put through 12 years of Catholic school, and evolution was taught as fact. As far as I know the Catholic church accepts evolution. Evolution only invalidates closed-minded sects of Christianity that insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible. In that respect, evolution invalidates the tenents of any religion that insists on a literal interpretation of their creation story, and they all have them.
Like people in here have already said, evolution and God are not mutually exclusive and they don’t need to be. But people are defensive and feel attacked at even the slightest dig at their religion, so they hunker down and dig in for a side that they don’t necessarily agree with. It’s basic psychology to fight the hardest and loudest for the things that are the most lacking in supporting evidence, because on some level we know that our arguments are weak in those situations.
I’m not religious, but guys like your boy Hitchens there are (were) excessively disdainful.[/quote]
They undermine the only authority they had when they start undermining their own holy book like they do. Evolution is utterly incompatible with the bible, and any true Christian MUST call it a filthy lie, or else be a watered down compromising coward.
Hitchens took a stand and spoke his mind clearly, you should take care not to confuse disdain for religion with disdain for any religious person.
Evolution goes against Genesis. Not the whole Bible, or all of Christianity.
Evolution is real. But I can’t explain what happened before the Big Bang.
[quote]kakno wrote:
Evolution goes against Genesis. Not the whole Bible, or all of Christianity.
Evolution is real. But I can’t explain what happened before the Big Bang.[/quote]
Sure it does. Their messiah confirmed the Old Testament did he not? He quoted Genesis, did he not?
If evolution is true, and evolution goes against Genesis, then it goes against Jesus Christ, and thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus renders Christianity a huge waste of time.
Weeeeee, this is getting moved to PWI 
[quote]Christine wrote:
“While the rest of the species is descended from apes, redheads are descended from cats.”
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Luvz Christine!
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Evolution doesn’t disprove a creator. It sure disproves and invalidates Christianity though.
1.[/quote]
Not really. I was put through 12 years of Catholic school, and evolution was taught as fact. As far as I know the Catholic church accepts evolution. Evolution only invalidates closed-minded sects of Christianity that insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible. In that respect, evolution invalidates the tenents of any religion that insists on a literal interpretation of their creation story, and they all have them.
Like people in here have already said, evolution and God are not mutually exclusive and they don’t need to be. But people are defensive and feel attacked at even the slightest dig at their religion, so they hunker down and dig in for a side that they don’t necessarily agree with. It’s basic psychology to fight the hardest and loudest for the things that are the most lacking in supporting evidence, because on some level we know that our arguments are weak in those situations.
I’m not religious, but guys like your boy Hitchens there are (were) excessively disdainful.[/quote]
They undermine the only authority they had when they start undermining their own holy book like they do. Evolution is utterly incompatible with the bible, and any true Christian MUST call it a filthy lie, or else be a watered down compromising coward.
Hitchens took a stand and spoke his mind clearly, you should take care not to confuse disdain for religion with disdain for any religious person.[/quote]
I obviously won’t make any headway with you on this, but understand that I am arguing for a side I don’t take personally; religions evolve. To pretend that doesn’t happen or undermines the faith is ridiculous. I don’t know Bible verses so I can’t quote them (nor do I care to look that srt of information up), but I think Jesus stressed the message of holy text, not the letter of the law, so to speak.
I like Hitchens. He was a very intelligent man, but he was also very pompous and condescending. I happen to agree with many of his points, but he comes off as very disdainful of anyone espousing religion. Whether he actually says it is irrelevant, because he makes it very clear that anyone who believes in such things is incredibly stupid. That is disdain, in my book.
[quote]Samir wrote:
Considering that we share 95-98% of our genes with apes, the evidence of a common ancestor is pretty persuasive.
I wonder when the genes that allow apes to bench like 800 pounds got bred out of our race though.
I’m in camp #1 for the record.
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In my opinion, the reason why humans are such pussies is because we started living in tribes and building weapons. We just made it too easy for Scrawny McWeakasfuck to survive and so all the bad-ass traits got bred out. << and it’s only gunna get worse until we master genetic engineering. Seriously, at least with tribes and spears we started breading for intelligence and hunting strategy, but now if you’re too fucking stupid to not jump down a garbage shoot ten stories up we just make the shoots too small to fit through so these people can fuck up the gene pool by living lone enough to have kids and spread myths about a sadistic bearded wizard with a hard-on for genocide… again, in my personal opinion.
this is a fine topic to discuss, but really - none of you meatheads have any fucking idea as to how the universe was created, or how the species have evolved.
you read one fucking book, and you’re sold on the idea, whether it be science or religion. and if you pull your own insignificant, ignorant opinions out of the equation, and see that there is either power or money involved on both sides - you’ll see that neither can remain exclusive of the other. the longer the debate lasts, the more money changes hands.
the Romans gave us circus and bread, and nowadays the give us science and religion.
but nobody will ever know, and the debate rages on.
we are but pawns in this universal chess game. and will remain so until the end of time.
so choose your religion, choose your gods and have at it.
besides, until you all realize that Odin created the realm as you know it, you are all doomed.