[quote]chillain wrote:
The scientist in me cannot dispute the validity of the fossil record, evolutionary theory etc
But let’s not pretend that any empirical explanations are even remotely satisfying…
[/quote]
Why is a scientist in you, and why can’t he “speak” for himself?
I would just like to say that if anyone believes that everything just sprouted into existence 4000 years ago because of ‘god’ then they are a fucking idiot and need to be segregated on their own little island so their idiocy doesn’t spread.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
BTW, Rajarooski, what kind of evolution you be talking about? The observable, testable kind (adaptation, micro-evolution)?
Or the unobservable, untestable kind (macro)?
Gotz to be rememberin’ that if you’re gonna be a PROfessional and responsible T-Nation pollster you have to word your questions sincerely and appropriately.
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Anyone who wants to make the distinction in their answer can.
All the information is out there, including the points of contention among evolutionists and creationists.
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Also I’m laughing at the post on the first page which said “I’m not sure if Evolution is true or not but I’m a creationist.”
You can’t debate with people who don’t know what they’re arguing about, so this thread is safe in that regard.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The topic of Evolution is debated fairly often in PWI, but I want to ask what stance the average T-Nation holds.
Do you:
Accept it as fact
Think it has merit but aren’t completely convinced
Consider it junk science
Consider it junk science and believe in creationism
Have no Idea.
Not actually interesting in debating the issue. Already have.
Where do YOU stand?[/quote]
I already posted this but for some reason half of my posts don’t get through on here, so I’ll post it again.
I suspect that this is a troll post.
Most of the posters on T-Nation are reasonable, rational, intelligent and well educated adults who seem to less than interested in anything other than ‘truth’ ( suggested by the training out look and philosophy and approaches that are presented here).
So it seems to me to be a little bit of an insult to fellow posters here when somebody has to make a post asking the obvious:
EVOLUTION is a FACT. COLD BLOODED, EVIDENCE DRIVEN FACT.
The question should not be whether evolution, the physical mechanism itself is “junk science”,
but rather evolutionary psychology is.
If the body is evolved, then the same goes for the brain, and if the brain is just what the physical stuff in the brain does, then the mind has to have modules that are evolved too, to suit and solve certain evolutionary pressures and problems that faced our ancestors.
How much of our thinking is still “stuck” in the stone age ? (why we are pre-wired for sugar, why men cheat more often than women, and etc). And how much of that type of thinking is hurting us? How much discrepancy between our cavemen mindset and our modern mindset is too much of a gap for us to function properly?
Should one fall into the naturalistic fallacy? or is it OK to justify your behaviors once in a while because we were evolved and hard-wired for certain predispositions?
I would love to hear from some of you about those issues.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The topic of Evolution is debated fairly often in PWI, but I want to ask what stance the average T-Nation holds.
Do you:
Accept it as fact
Think it has merit but aren’t completely convinced
Consider it junk science
Consider it junk science and believe in creationism
Have no Idea.
Not actually interesting in debating the issue. Already have.
Where do YOU stand?[/quote]
I already posted this but for some reason half of my posts don’t get through on here, so I’ll post it again.
I suspect that this is a troll post.
Most of the posters on T-Nation are reasonable, rational, intelligent and well educated adults who seem to less than interested in anything other than ‘truth’ ( suggested by the training out look and philosophy and approaches that are presented here).
So it seems to me to be a little bit of an insult to fellow posters here when somebody has to make a post asking the obvious:
EVOLUTION is a FACT. COLD BLOODED, EVIDENCE DRIVEN FACT.
The question should not be whether evolution, the physical mechanism itself is “junk science”,
but rather evolutionary psychology is.
If the body is evolved, then the same goes for the brain, and if the brain is just what the physical stuff in the brain does, then the mind has to have modules that are evolved too, to suit and solve certain evolutionary pressures and problems that faced our ancestors.
How much of our thinking is still “stuck” in the stone age ? (why we are pre-wired for sugar, why men cheat more often than women, and etc). And how much of that type of thinking is hurting us? How much discrepancy between our cavemen mindset and our modern mindset is too much of a gap for us to function properly?
Should one fall into the naturalistic fallacy? or is it OK to justify your behaviors once in a while because we were evolved and hard-wired for certain predispositions?
I would love to hear from some of you about those issues.
if you are interested in this stuff, here are 3 very influential thinkers today talking to Richard Dawkins about evolution and its affect on our psychology
Dan Dennett
Steven Pinker
Peter Singer
[quote]Apollo1029 wrote:
I’m in between 6 and 7
Who the fuck cares
Life is too short, enjoy the time you have[/quote]
This.
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Evolution is absolutely a fact.
Whether or not humans, as we are today, evolved from (apes) is what is debatable.
And in that regard, I honestly doubt we’ll ever find that missing link. Probably because we were genetically modified by an alien race.
Considering that we share 95-98% of our genes with apes, the evidence of a common ancestor is pretty persuasive.
I wonder when the genes that allow apes to bench like 800 pounds got bred out of our race though.
I’m in camp #1 for the record.
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[quote]2busy wrote:
[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:
The first one. [/quote]
I have been to lake Louise :)[/quote]
+1
I have also been to Lake Louise
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
The scientist in me cannot dispute the validity of the fossil record, evolutionary theory etc
But let’s not pretend that any empirical explanations are even remotely satisfying…
[/quote]
Why is a scientist in you, and why can’t he “speak” for himself?
[/quote]
Because he is ball gagged.
Duh.
[quote]Samir wrote:
Considering that we share 95-98% of our genes with apes, the evidence of a common ancestor is pretty persuasive.
I wonder when the genes that allow apes to bench like 800 pounds got bred out of our race though.
I’m in camp #1 for the record.
[/quote]
Actually they could not bench even close to 800 lbs.
What they can do is dead-lift around 1000lbs, as far as that can be determined.
A disinterest female chimp pulled a few hundred lbs just for shits and giggles.
Then again, they cannot even fling their own shit accurately, so it all comes at a price.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Samir wrote:
Considering that we share 95-98% of our genes with apes, the evidence of a common ancestor is pretty persuasive.
I wonder when the genes that allow apes to bench like 800 pounds got bred out of our race though.
I’m in camp #1 for the record.
[/quote]
Actually they could not bench even close to 800 lbs.
What they can do is dead-lift around 1000lbs, as far as that can be determined.
A disinterest female chimp pulled a few hundred lbs just for shits and giggles.
Then again, they cannot even fling their own shit accurately, so it all comes at a price. [/quote]
One should NOT undervalue the ability to accurately throw shit…
[quote]2busy wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Samir wrote:
Considering that we share 95-98% of our genes with apes, the evidence of a common ancestor is pretty persuasive.
I wonder when the genes that allow apes to bench like 800 pounds got bred out of our race though.
I’m in camp #1 for the record.
[/quote]
Actually they could not bench even close to 800 lbs.
What they can do is dead-lift around 1000lbs, as far as that can be determined.
A disinterest female chimp pulled a few hundred lbs just for shits and giggles.
Then again, they cannot even fling their own shit accurately, so it all comes at a price. [/quote]
One should NOT undervalue the ability to accurately throw shit…
[/quote]
Well, in that case we are probably right at the top of the shit throwing pyramid, which just goes to show where being good at deadlifting gets you evolution wise.
Then, Lamas are pretty good at spitting.
I am guessing that speech comes at a price too and, in hindsight, the trade-off was probably not worth it.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The topic of Evolution is debated fairly often in PWI, but I want to ask what stance the average T-Nation holds.
Do you:
Accept it as fact
Think it has merit but aren’t completely convinced
Consider it junk science
Consider it junk science and believe in creationism
Have no Idea.
Not actually interesting in debating the issue. Already have.
Where do YOU stand?[/quote]
I already posted this but for some reason half of my posts don’t get through on here, so I’ll post it again.
I suspect that this is a troll post.
Most of the posters on T-Nation are reasonable, rational, intelligent and well educated adults who seem to less than interested in anything other than ‘truth’ ( suggested by the training out look and philosophy and approaches that are presented here).
So it seems to me to be a little bit of an insult to fellow posters here when somebody has to make a post asking the obvious:
EVOLUTION is a FACT. COLD BLOODED, EVIDENCE DRIVEN FACT.
The question should not be whether evolution, the physical mechanism itself is “junk science”,
but rather evolutionary psychology is.
If the body is evolved, then the same goes for the brain, and if the brain is just what the physical stuff in the brain does, then the mind has to have modules that are evolved too, to suit and solve certain evolutionary pressures and problems that faced our ancestors.
How much of our thinking is still “stuck” in the stone age ? (why we are pre-wired for sugar, why men cheat more often than women, and etc). And how much of that type of thinking is hurting us? How much discrepancy between our cavemen mindset and our modern mindset is too much of a gap for us to function properly?
Should one fall into the naturalistic fallacy? or is it OK to justify your behaviors once in a while because we were evolved and hard-wired for certain predispositions?
I would love to hear from some of you about those issues.
a good video for people who aren’t too familiar with evolutionary psychology.
Well, pretty much every poll shows that around half of Americans flat out do not believe in evolution. That makes me want to vomit, so that should tell you where I stand.