[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Hey ZEB. When I brought up investments I was talking about his blind investment portfolio which obviously wasn’t blind at all. If you have any knowledge about blind investment portfolio’s and Romney’s words, you will see what I’m talking about. If you invest, you know its a scam, Romney called it a scam himself in the past/oldest trick in the book.[/quote]
Why don’t you tell us all about that, every detail as you know it. Then we can all be as informed as you think you are.
You can also tell us all exactly how Mitt Romney dodged the draft? And then you can tell us how Bill Clinton did it. And while you’re at it tell us all about Obama’s past because no one seems to know very much about it. And I think that’s rather odd don’t you?
I am not claiming that the health care in Mass was something that I would prefer. But then I don’t live in that liberal of a state. The people in Mass wanted it and Romney gave it to them. He’s a politician and he was leading a group of more liberal voters. And as I’ve already told you there was no penalty if you didn’t sign up. Obama’s version is far, far worse with fines and jail time if you don’t participate. And as I’ve already told you about 67% of America is against Obamacare. There are other differences as well.
[quote]The deficit inheritance, man that’s just amazing how you feel no blame should be put on G Dubya.
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I’m surprised that you would bring this up because the debt has increased more under Obama in 3 1/2 years than during Bush’s 8 years in office.
Here you go take a look at the chart.
Obama is a disaster. Him self said that the Bush debt was “unpatriotic.” If that’s the case Obama should be tried for treason!
You mean the war that John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and top democrats on the armed services committee signed off on? That war?
And why are you bothering to mention Bush? He’s not running for President? Obama is running for President I have not seen one word of defense for his horrible 3 1/2 years in office. Why are you not bragging about how he’s lowered unemployment? It’s higher now than when your favorite punching bag, Bush was in office. Why are you not bragging about he’s lowered the debt? It’s higher now than when Bush was in office. Why are you not bragging about how he’s closed Gitmo as promised? Because he’s not done any of these things. I gave you a nice long list of his broken promises how come no comment on them? Are you proud of his record? Doesn’t sound like it. When someone starts slamming Bush who has been out of office since 08’ I know that they cannot defend Obama. Very transparent!
I thought it odd that you would attack Bush, but sure I’d much rather have him as President than the failure that currently holds down the job. As for Romney, I’ve talked about his resume many times on T Nation, double major at Harvard, business and law advanced degrees (By the way did you figure out how Obama could afford Harvard yet? Or why Harvard has hidden his grades? Let me know when you crack those two). Romney saved the Olympics which was under water, he made a pile of money in business (A good thing for those of us who admire success). And he was a governor. I don’t see a problem in giving him a chance at the White House. He’s well qualified and has vast executive experience. And that’s something lacking in the three worst Presidents of the modern era, LBJ, Jimmy Carter and now Obama, none had executive experience.
Simple, Obama has failed let’s give someone else a chance. If he can’t do it then we can boot him out as well. Why stick with a proven failure?
Why because Obama has made the dollar strong? LOL PULEEEEZE![/quote]
Nice little trick there trying to turn the stock manipulation into a good thing, you play like a politician yourself :)[/quote]
You said that he was against that rule but plays it anyway. Isn’t that his repsonibility to follow the rules? How am I trying to trick you?
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I don’t like your source buddy, and I’m quick to see how you like to spin, that’s cool if you need to do such to convince yourself. The chart has manipulated statistics by the way, fails to mention anything that Obama put forth that increased spending and failed to account for the two wars and the prescription drug plan already in place belong to Bush and not Obama. How about this? I’ll sign up for a phone plan that costs a trillion dollars a year for ten years, only I’ll only have the phone for 2 years after which point you get to take it over, and then I can turn around and say that you are responsible for 8 trillion dollars of debt. Right.[/quote]
Why do you think everything is a trick that doesn’t line up with your hero Obama? You can go to any web site you like Obama has raised the debt 5 Trillion in 3 1/2 years which is double what Bush did in 8 years. That is a fact. You don’t like it? Neither do I!
I accurately pointed out that many fine and even great Presidents never served in the military. And that Romney not serving is not a disqualification for the office. Simple.
[quote]But really, enough with the sophistry charade. If people actually buy what you have to say, they deserve the consequences.
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That is actually funny coming from a liberal. You are the guys that had tears in your eyes and a chill up your leg when Obama spoke. four years later after your guy made things worse you are trying to blame Bush for Obama’s failure. I’d say that pretty much sums up the miserable four years that Obama has given you.
Where is the hope and change that you fell for?
What happened?
I WANT YOU TO DEFEND OBAMA’S RECORD AND STOP THE CHICANERY!
But…you can’t do it as it is indefensible.
Now post back something about George Bush…(eye roll)[/quote]
You act as if I’m not critical of Obama. The fact is I’m critical of both guys. Your little dance about draft dodging shows how far you will go to defend YOUR step in hero who can’t seem to do anything wrong.[/quote]
No, the fact is you try to blame George Bush for Obama’s failures. I addressed your idiocy about the draft by giving you some facts about the many, many Presidents who sidestepped the military and were good Presidents.
Nothing skewed about any of the information that I gave you.
Fact: Obama has raised the debt more in three years (to 5 Trillion) than Bush did in 8 years.
Fact: Unemployment is higher under Obama than under Bush.
Fact: There are more people on food stamps now than under Bush.
Fact: Gas Prices are much higher under Obama than under Bush.
I could go on and list at least 15 more things that are factual regarding your hero Barack Obama
. Bringing up Bush only makes Obama looks worse. Obama owns this mess, not Bush. His lies of hope and change got him elected. But now he has to blame Bush to try to get reelected. He’s fallen pretty far hasn’t he?
We addressed this before. We were attacked on our shores in 2001, did you forget about that? We went after the Tali Ban and Elqida in Afghanistan that was legitimate. As for the Iraq war I was against it, but the armed services committee made up of mostly democrats voted for the Iraq war, so don’t blame just Bush on that one.
The things I posted above have nothing to do with statistics so save it. They are facts! Look them up! Get your head out of Obama’s butt (that can’t be comfortable with the main stream media up there as well) and look for yourself, the guy has been a resounding failure as President!
I consider you no more than a left wing hack for even bringing George Bush up to defend Obama. Here is your argument:
Me: Obama is a failure look at all the things he’s done wrong.
You and your ilk: "Oh yeah well Bush was even worse!
What the hell kind of argument is that even if it were true? Bush is not up for reelection, he already got elected twice. Obama is the one who is up for reelection. You should be bragging about his great record!
Now list all of the things that Obama did over the past four years that would indicate that he deserves to be reelected. And if you can’t do that then you lost the argument it’s pretty simple isn’t it? Don’t mention Bush, Congress, or the little engine that could, just tell us all about Obama’s wonderful record! If you can’t do that don’t respond just go away and lick your wounds like the other liberals who bought into the hope and change lie!
Simple.
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Bush was worse! To say otherwise shows how oblivious you are to the historical fact that he sent people to Iraq based on some bull. He isn’t the only one responsible, but he was the most responsible. Not only is he responsible for the deaths of some of my peers, he is also responsible for the deaths of the many civilian casualties. If you want to play a game and equivocate dollars to lives, go ahead, that’s not a game I play. At the end of the day, Obama didn’t send men to war in absolute, and utter folly. This alone makes him pretty awful as a leader in general. U.S. Presidents are usually held to a high standard, this guy didn’t know his binghole from his elbow.
Do I need to point out who’s watch it was when Bin Laden was taken out? Do I need to point out that Romney is on record saying the endeavor was a waste of time? You want a youtube link or something? As for my case against Romney, he isn’t someone who represents me in the least. I come from a family with a workman and military tradition. My generation is the first in my extended family to receive a college education and finish it.
If you want to put words in my mouth, you should do so more carefully. I wasn’t a fan of Obama from the start. I wasn’t for the bailouts (in fact I still have a problem with them fundamentally when big business and banks personhood/rights trump those of actual people), I’m not for big government which your other hero Bush seemed to like regardless of what he was on record saying.
If you want to understand my position, I’ll explain it. You may be surprised.